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MrToothHasYou 05/24/23 11:15:18 AM #1:	with upvotes, threaded replies, etc. instead of a straightforward chronological ordering of posts like most traditional forums have, is that its much easier to engage in productive discourse. When you open a Reddit thread (assuming you have the replies sorted by best or top or whatever its called) you can read the opening post, then immediately scroll down and see the most popular response, and the most popular responses to that response, and so forth. The obvious weakness there is that it boils down to a popularity contest and encourages responses that will garner the most upvotes (whether or not they are actually productive), but Often what happens in GameFAQs and other similar forums is you find a topic with hundreds of posts, read the OP, and then ignore the rest of the topic, post your two cents, and leave. I myself am guilty of this, toosometimes parsing through page after page of back and forth to keep up with where the topic is going just doesnt seem like its worth the effort. The result is you get a handful of people having a back and forth argument with each other that is punctuated by random people coming in and posting the exact same takes that were addressed two hundred posts ago. Im not going to say the Reddit format is objectively or even subjectively better, and I certainly wouldnt advocate changing GameFAQs to be more like it, but it seems to me like it does a better job (at least in this one aspect) of enabling consensus through discussion than traditional forums do. --- (he/him) "The hopeless don't revolt, because revolution is an act of hope." <cite>MrToothHasYou posted [p:973681129] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote> with upvotes, threaded replies, etc. instead of a straightforward chronological ordering of posts like most traditional forums have, is that its much easier to engage in productive discourse.When you open a Reddit thread (assuming you have the replies sorted by best or top or whatever its called) you can read the opening post, then immediately scroll down and see the most popular response, and the most popular responses to that response, and so forth. The obvious weakness there is that it boils down to a popularity contest and encourages responses that will garner the most upvotes (whether or not they are actually productive), but Often what happens in GameFAQs and other similar forums is you find a topic with hundreds of posts, read the OP, and then ignore the rest of the topic, post your two cents, and leave. I myself am guilty of this, toosometimes parsing through page after page of back and forth to keep up with where the topic is going just doesnt seem like its worth the effort. The result is you get a handful of people having a back and forth argument with each other that is punctuated by random people coming in and posting the exact same takes that were addressed two hundred posts ago.Im not going to say the Reddit format is objectively or even subjectively better, and I certainly wouldnt advocate changing GameFAQs to be more like it, but it seems to me like it does a better job (at least in this one aspect) of enabling consensus through discussion than traditional forums do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Compsognathus 05/24/23 11:19:06 AM #3:	My favorite part of nested comments is when you get like 3 comments deep and then every single additonal comment causes you to go to an entire different page and it makes using the website unbearably tedious. --- Gheb is my other account <cite>Compsognathus posted [p:973681202] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote>My favorite part of nested comments is when you get like 3 comments deep and then every single additonal comment causes you to go to an entire different page and it makes using the website unbearably tedious.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BroodRyu 05/24/23 11:19:36 AM #4:	My issue if I come across a topic that Im interested In posting in is that if its already got like 50+ replies I have no interest in posting my opinion because usually at that point the discussion has moved on and my post gets ignored. Its typically the same on Reddit as well. <cite>BroodRyu posted [p:973681210] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote>My issue if I come across a topic that Im interested In posting in is that if its already got like 50+ replies I have no interest in posting my opinion because usually at that point the discussion has moved on and my post gets ignored. Its typically the same on Reddit as well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
krazychao5 05/24/23 11:20:29 AM #5:	Compsognathus posted... My favorite part of nested comments is when you get like 3 comments deep and then every single additonal comment causes you to go to an entire different page and it makes using the website unbearably tedious. open in new tab --- https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/profile/bigllama?type=posted <cite>krazychao5 posted [p:973681228] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote>Compsognathus posted... </cite><quote>My favorite part of nested comments is when you get like 3 comments deep and then every single additonal comment causes you to go to an entire different page and it makes using the website unbearably tedious.</quote>open in new tab</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medussa 05/24/23 11:22:18 AM #6:	the problem is, it's often not the best that rises to the top, but the earliest. making it functionally very similar to the traditional layout, but worse to navigate. --- Boom! That's right, this is all happening! You cannot change the channel now! You know me, I'm a big fan of subtlety. But that's downright cryptic. <cite>Medussa posted [p:973681262] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote>the problem is, it's often not the best that rises to the top, but the earliest. making it functionally very similar to the traditional layout, but worse to navigate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Compsognathus 05/24/23 11:24:48 AM #7:	krazychao5 posted... open in new tab Opening a bunch of tabs is still pretty bad design. --- Gheb is my other account <cite>Compsognathus posted [p:973681313] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote>krazychao5 posted... </cite><quote>open in new tab</quote>Opening a bunch of tabs is still pretty bad design.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoopPotato 05/24/23 11:25:33 AM #8:	I want the shit posts, though. I dont come here for discussion, I just want to laugh --- http://i.minus.com/i5EWBMXTN4ERv.gif <cite>PoopPotato posted [p:973681331] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote>I want the shit posts, though. I dont come here for discussion, I just want to laugh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 05/24/23 11:25:54 AM #9:	MrToothHasYou posted... then immediately scroll down and see the most popular response not really. thats only for top level responses. any responses under that are buried. thats why reddit is atrocious for actual discussion and is more suitable for Q&A <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:973681336] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote>MrToothHasYou posted... </cite><quote>then immediately scroll down and see the most popular response</quote>not really. thats only for top level responses. any responses under that are buried. thats why reddit is atrocious for actual discussion and is more suitable for Q&A</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BroodRyu 05/24/23 11:26:40 AM #10:	Usually the top responses on Reddit are the same jokes used over and over. <cite>BroodRyu posted [p:973681347] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote>Usually the top responses on Reddit are the same jokes used over and over. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R1masher 05/24/23 11:28:12 AM #11:	hard to follow the flow and progression of the conversation there --- R1R1R1R1R1R1 <cite>R1masher posted [p:973681382] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote>hard to follow the flow and progression of the conversation there </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/24/23 11:28:22 AM #12:	I really really hate "load more replies" buttons. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:973681384] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote>I really really hate "load more replies" buttons.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Notti 05/24/23 11:33:18 AM #13:	Basically, the upvote and down vote system is an attempt to give every user the ability to have moderator powers. A vote, in surfacing good content. And burying bad content. That's the ideal. The reality isn't so perfect. In a chronological system, every shit comment is given equal placement with a well thought out comment. It would be nice if somehow. If one just want to save time, and read only the comments worth reading. That's the Reddit attempt. Reality is, the earlier you get your comment in, the more likely it will be seen. (And crushed or praised) Later comments are basically ignored by most people. (Somewhat mitigated by having your comment as a reply to a top comment) There are also limits by realizing some people abuse the voting. So you have limited upvotes per day. With a bunch of other limits to vote abusers. --- http://m.youtube.com/TheYoungTurks/videos Bernie>Biden>poo>Trump http://RightWingWatch.org http://reddit.com/r/BreadTube http://fb.me/OccupyDemocrats <cite>Notti posted [p:973681489] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote>Basically, the upvote and down vote system is an attempt to give every user the ability to have moderator powers. A vote, in surfacing good content. And burying bad content.That's the ideal.The reality isn't so perfect.In a chronological system, every shit comment is given equal placement with a well thought out comment.It would be nice if somehow. If one just want to save time, and read only the comments worth reading.That's the Reddit attempt.Reality is, the earlier you get your comment in, the more likely it will be seen. (And crushed or praised) Later comments are basically ignored by most people. (Somewhat mitigated by having your comment as a reply to a top comment)There are also limits by realizing some people abuse the voting. So you have limited upvotes per day. With a bunch of other limits to vote abusers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/24/23 11:34:15 AM #14:	Notti posted... Basically, the upvote and down vote system is an attempt to give every user the ability to have moderator powers. Too bad it ends up being mob-rule. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:973681514] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote>Notti posted... </cite><quote>Basically, the upvote and down vote system is an attempt to give every user the ability to have moderator powers.</quote>Too bad it ends up being mob-rule.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Freddie_Mercury 05/24/23 11:34:53 AM #15:	MrToothHasYou posted... Reddit MrToothHasYou posted... productive discourse --- just another freak in the freak kingdom <cite>Freddie_Mercury posted [p:973681523] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote>MrToothHasYou posted... </cite><quote>Reddit</quote>MrToothHasYou posted... </cite><quote>productive discourse</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Notti 05/24/23 11:39:17 AM #17:	Questionmarktarius posted... Too bad it ends up being mob-rule. Such is democracy. --- http://m.youtube.com/TheYoungTurks/videos Bernie>Biden>poo>Trump http://RightWingWatch.org http://reddit.com/r/BreadTube http://fb.me/OccupyDemocrats <cite>Notti posted [p:973681612] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite><quote>Too bad it ends up being mob-rule.</quote>Such is democracy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrToothHasYou 05/24/23 11:49:05 AM #18:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] I dont know that I agree with that. I guess if you limit engaging in discourse to posting your own personal opinion then it can be difficult, but the ability to use the upvote/downvote system to lend a sense of support/consensus to other peoples posts allows for discourse to develop further on a broader level than if it were simply a bunch of individuals posting back and forth at each other. Compsognathus posted... My favorite part of nested comments is when you get like 3 comments deep and then every single additonal comment causes you to go to an entire different page and it makes using the website unbearably tedious. It could definitely be formatted better (maybe a pop-up within the same page or something) to make it easier to navigate the comment nests, I agree. BroodRyu posted... My issue if I come across a topic that Im interested In posting in is that if its already got like 50+ replies I have no interest in posting my opinion because usually at that point the discussion has moved on and my post gets ignored. Its typically the same on Reddit as well. Theres definitely an early bird problem with both formats but Ive found that in general youre more likely to get a response (or just engagement in general) if you leave, for example, a reply to one of the top comments on a Reddit post either expanding on it or arguing against it, versus replying to post #3 (even if youve already read the thread and no one else has made the point youre trying to get across) in a topic that already has 200 posts in it on Current Events. Reddit also having the upvote system (although it is its own can of worms with myriad issues) means you can engage passively in the discourse by showing your support for the ideas of others even if you arent going to post yourself. PoopPotato posted... I want the shit posts, though. I dont come here for discussion, I just want to laugh Okay --- (he/him) "The hopeless don't revolt, because revolution is an act of hope." <cite>MrToothHasYou posted [p:973681808] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> I dont know that I agree with that. I guess if you limit engaging in discourse to posting your own personal opinion then it can be difficult, but the ability to use the upvote/downvote system to lend a sense of support/consensus to other peoples posts allows for discourse to develop further on a broader level than if it were simply a bunch of individuals posting back and forth at each other.Compsognathus posted... </cite><quote>My favorite part of nested comments is when you get like 3 comments deep and then every single additonal comment causes you to go to an entire different page and it makes using the website unbearably tedious.</quote>It could definitely be formatted better (maybe a pop-up within the same page or something) to make it easier to navigate the comment nests, I agree.BroodRyu posted... </cite><quote>My issue if I come across a topic that Im interested In posting in is that if its already got like 50+ replies I have no interest in posting my opinion because usually at that point the discussion has moved on and my post gets ignored. Its typically the same on Reddit as well.</quote>Theres definitely an early bird problem with both formats but Ive found that in general youre more likely to get a response (or just engagement in general) if you leave, for example, a reply to one of the top comments on a Reddit post either expanding on it or arguing against it, versus replying to post #3 (even if youve already read the thread and no one else has made the point youre trying to get across) in a topic that already has 200 posts in it on Current Events.Reddit also having the upvote system (although it is its own can of worms with myriad issues) means you can engage passively in the discourse by showing your support for the ideas of others even if you arent going to post yourself.PoopPotato posted... </cite><quote>I want the shit posts, though. I dont come here for discussion, I just want to laugh</quote>Okay</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DuneMan 05/24/23 11:52:06 AM #19:	Compsognathus posted... My favorite part of nested comments is when you get like 3 comments deep and then every single additonal comment causes you to go to an entire different page and it makes using the website unbearably tedious. If this were Reddit I'd give you an upvote for that. :P --- "I'd rather betray the world than let the world betray me." -Cao Cao <cite>DuneMan posted [p:973681875] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote>Compsognathus posted... </cite><quote>My favorite part of nested comments is when you get like 3 comments deep and then every single additonal comment causes you to go to an entire different page and it makes using the website unbearably tedious.</quote>If this were Reddit I'd give you an upvote for that. :P</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kirbymuncher 05/24/23 12:09:20 PM #21:	interesting since I actually think the exact opposite of the first post the threading style makes it hard to engage in discussion, because any reply must be a reply to one and only one previous message. it splinters conversations in weird ways and it is very awkward to try and write a reply that is relevant to 2 different original messages that are in far-off portions of the thread tree. In all honesty I think the best layout for this is actually 4chan??? When looking at a post, you can see all the direct replies to that post and hover/click to jump to any of them. Replying to a post also adds a link your post back to what you replied to. And yet the whole thing is just a single flat chronologically structured thread so you can also read it top to bottom and understand the progression of a discussion or change in topics over time --- THIS IS WHAT I HATE A BOUT EVREY WEBSITE!! THERES SO MUCH PEOPLE READING AND POSTING STUIPED STUFF <cite>kirbymuncher posted [p:973682239] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote>interesting since I actually think the exact opposite of the first postthe threading style makes it hard to engage in discussion, because any reply must be a reply to one and only one previous message. it splinters conversations in weird ways and it is very awkward to try and write a reply that is relevant to 2 different original messages that are in far-off portions of the thread tree.In all honesty I think the best layout for this is actually 4chan??? When looking at a post, you can see all the direct replies to that post and hover/click to jump to any of them. Replying to a post also adds a link your post back to what you replied to. And yet the whole thing is just a single flat chronologically structured thread so you can also read it top to bottom and understand the progression of a discussion or change in topics over time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trickfinger 05/24/23 12:11:48 PM #22:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Not true. Freddie_Mercury posted... Says a guy on GameFAQs. --- https://i.imgur.com/3AnUKs6.jpg ~ Voted Best Poster On GameFAQs 16 Years Straight ~ <cite>Trickfinger posted [p:973682295] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Not true.Freddie_Mercury posted... </cite><quote></quote>Says a guy on GameFAQs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Notti 05/24/23 12:17:27 PM #23:	kirbymuncher posted... the threading style makes it hard to engage in discussion, because any reply must be a reply to one and only one previous message. It's only your imagination that everyone has read and is replying to every comment, in say, a 300 reply CE thread. That'd be nice. But that doesn't really happen. --- http://m.youtube.com/TheYoungTurks/videos Bernie>Biden>poo>Trump http://RightWingWatch.org http://reddit.com/r/BreadTube http://fb.me/OccupyDemocrats <cite>Notti posted [p:973682405] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote>kirbymuncher posted... </cite><quote>the threading style makes it hard to engage in discussion, because any reply must be a reply to one and only one previous message.</quote>It's only your imagination that everyone has read and is replying to every comment, in say, a 300 reply CE thread. That'd be nice. But that doesn't really happen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kirbymuncher 05/24/23 12:37:57 PM #24:	Notti posted... It's only your imagination that everyone has read and is replying to every comment, in say, a 300 reply CE thread. That'd be nice. But that doesn't really happen. Well, maybe not every post all the time or anything, but it definitely allows more reply freedom than reddit does because of its structure MrToothHasYou posted... It could definitely be formatted better (maybe a pop-up within the same page or something) to make it easier to navigate the comment nests, I agree. Like this, there's probably something that could be done to improve structure of reading long nested threads but I don't think anything you do would make it easier to reply to multiple nested threads in a single place that combines the two into one discussion point, like I have done here (in a somewhat forced example but well you work with what you've got) --- THIS IS WHAT I HATE A BOUT EVREY WEBSITE!! THERES SO MUCH PEOPLE READING AND POSTING STUIPED STUFF <cite>kirbymuncher posted [p:973682800] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote>Notti posted... </cite><quote>It's only your imagination that everyone has read and is replying to every comment, in say, a 300 reply CE thread.That'd be nice. But that doesn't really happen.</quote>Well, maybe not every post all the time or anything, but it definitely allows more reply freedom than reddit does because of its structureMrToothHasYou posted... </cite><quote>It could definitely be formatted better (maybe a pop-up within the same page or something) to make it easier to navigate the comment nests, I agree.</quote>Like this, there's probably something that could be done to improve structure of reading long nested threads but I don't think anything you do would make it easier to reply to multiple nested threads in a single place that combines the two into one discussion point, like I have done here (in a somewhat forced example but well you work with what you've got)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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YellowSUV 05/24/23 12:40:40 PM #26:	The upvote downvote system really encourages group think. Anything that goes against the grain is going to be buried where barely anyone will read a post. There are also time issues. After a certain amount of time it usually is impossible for a new post to be visible because it will never get enough visibility to be upvoted. --- We all live in a Yellow SUV! a Yellow SUV! <cite>YellowSUV posted [p:973682865] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote>The upvote downvote system really encourages group think. Anything that goes against the grain is going to be buried where barely anyone will read a post. There are also time issues. After a certain amount of time it usually is impossible for a new post to be visible because it will never get enough visibility to be upvoted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trickfinger 05/24/23 12:55:15 PM #27:	YellowSUV posted... The upvote downvote system really encourages group think. Anything that goes against the grain is going to be buried where barely anyone will read a post. This myth got debunked like 10 years ago. Basically purported by people who just have shit opinions and always get downvoted. --- https://i.imgur.com/3AnUKs6.jpg ~ Voted Best Poster On GameFAQs 16 Years Straight ~ <cite>Trickfinger posted [p:973683189] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote>YellowSUV posted... </cite><quote>The upvote downvote system really encourages group think. Anything that goes against the grain is going to be buried where barely anyone will read a post.</quote>This myth got debunked like 10 years ago. Basically purported by people who just have shit opinions and always get downvoted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 05/24/23 12:57:52 PM #28:	The upvote downvote system is great for when you want factual information or a specific answer to a question <cite>Axiom posted [p:973683243] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote>The upvote downvote system is great for when you want factual information or a specific answer to a question</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Notti 05/27/23 7:57:56 AM #29:	kirbymuncher posted... Well, maybe not every post all the time or anything, but it definitely allows more reply freedom than reddit does because of its structure Like this, there's probably something that could be done to improve structure of reading long nested threads but I don't think anything you do would make it easier to reply to multiple nested threads in a single place that combines the two into one discussion point, like I have done here (in a somewhat forced example but well you work with what you've got) If this is what you meant --- http://m.youtube.com/TheYoungTurks/videos Bernie>Biden>poo>Trump http://RightWingWatch.org http://reddit.com/r/BreadTube http://fb.me/OccupyDemocrats <cite>Notti posted [p:973747171] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote>kirbymuncher posted... </cite><quote>Well, maybe not every post all the time or anything, but it definitely allows more reply freedom than reddit does because of its structure</quote><quote>Like this, there's probably something that could be done to improve structure of reading long nested threads but I don't think anything you do would make it easier to reply to multiple nested threads in a single place that combines the two into one discussion point, like I have done here (in a somewhat forced example but well you work with what you've got)</quote>If this is what you meant</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Notti 05/28/23 1:32:19 PM #30:	YellowSUV posted... The upvote downvote system really encourages group think. Anything that goes against the grain is going to be buried where barely anyone will read a post. Trickfinger posted... This myth got debunked like 10 years ago. Basically purported by people who just have shit opinions and always get downvoted I do think both of you are perhaps half right. Mostly people with really bombastic opinions get buried. But maybe half the time it's also because the opinion is half informed, or not at all. YellowSUV posted... There are also time issues. After a certain amount of time it usually is impossible for a new post to be visible because it will never get enough visibility to be upvoted. This is true, if you don't reply when the topic is high on the Best list, you're mostly only seen by the person you are talking to. And maybe a moderator. --- http://m.youtube.com/TheYoungTurks/videos Bernie>Biden>poo>Trump http://RightWingWatch.org http://reddit.com/r/BreadTube http://fb.me/OccupyDemocrats <cite>Notti posted [p:973771431] in One of the... [t:80454346]...</cite> <quote>YellowSUV posted...<quote>The upvote downvote system really encourages group think. Anything that goes against the grain is going to be buried where barely anyone will read a post.</quote>Trickfinger posted...<quote>This myth got debunked like 10 years ago. Basically purported by people who just have shit opinions and always get downvoted</quote>I do think both of you are perhaps half right. Mostly people with really bombastic opinions get buried. But maybe half the time it's also because the opinion is half informed, or not at all.YellowSUV posted...<quote>There are also time issues. After a certain amount of time it usually is impossible for a new post to be visible because it will never get enough visibility to be upvoted.</quote>This is true, if you don't reply when the topic is high on the Best list, you're mostly only seen by the person you are talking to. And maybe a moderator.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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