Board 8 > Super Smash Bros. Mafia - Topic 9: Full-Force Neutral Attack

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Crescent is correct about Ulti's contradictions though. Lea confirmed my Track of her visiting MZero Night 2, while Ulti said the only item used that night was the roleblock on Wallz.

SirChris posted...

Also I feel like scum cody never admits that lol

I have nothing to hide!

God help me but

Ulti why do you think the backup is mafia

maybe ulti knows prio cause they rolecopped cody n1?

I would say "what if they back-upped a high priority action so that Ulti's beetle had a chance of returning either that or my roleblock" but Ulti specifically said the language that high priority was not found.

Yeah I don't see a way that Ulti's claim makes sense unless town claims to have roleblocked claimed Watcher Plum.

Kirby321 posted...

- Rather than traditional roles, SCUM has a pool of items to use as night actions. Each scum may use one item per night. These items all have limited uses, though some items can be used more than once.

I just want to know what the resurrect role falls under, item or (passive based on Joyrock's flip) ability.

Anyway we can mass claim and then figure stuff out from there

SirChris posted...

Also I feel like scum cody never admits that lol

I don't think Cody is scum to begin with.

What I do have is a nagging suspicion that scum Sandbagged Cody.

Crescent-Moon posted...

I don't think Cody is scum to begin with.

What I do have is a nagging suspicion that scum Sandbagged Cody.

That would be a good one yeah

I just look forward to every ulti message due to the cool new things we learn

Tbh I have felt lost this entire game. I guess I haven't been in whoville since I wanted joyrock gone and if ulti is scum then I spearheaded that but I don't feel like leading anything atm

SirChris posted...

That would be a good one yeah

I just look forward to every ulti message due to the cool new things we learn

Honestly I'm just tired of discussing what is obviously a fakeclaim. Layers upon layers of contradictions and it's taking up a lot of bandwidth.

oh we shouldn't claim now anyway, corrik isnt here

anyways im going to bed now and then i have a long work day, but ill be back around tomorrow evening/night EST

This is everyone who hasn't claimed yet right?

1. changmas (Zelda)
4. Corrik7 (Samus)
5. Crescent-Moon (Ike)
6. MZero (Joker)
9. Sheep007 (Lucario)

I'm not opposed to mass but also not sure we need to mass today.

Cody11533 posted...

This is everyone who hasn't claimed yet right?

1. changmas (Zelda)
4. Corrik7 (Samus)
5. Crescent-Moon (Ike)
6. MZero (Joker)
9. Sheep007 (Lucario)

Oh I thought it was more

Ita potential mylo we 100% mass no discussion I want to hear after slam dunk Lea yesterday

UltimaterializerX posted...

I see a special flag that can target a dead town player for one use backup.

uhhh so they're getting a gunsmith gun then?

wait

is it ever possible that town has a backup and scum has a corresponding item that functions the same way

such that it isn't actually cody that he found

changmas posted...

uhhh so they're getting a gunsmith gun then?

If this were the case, wouldn't they have done that night 2?

changmas posted...

is it ever possible that town has a backup and scum has a corresponding item that functions the same way

such that it isn't actually cody that he found

I'm not sure how this would work, but it's kinda funny to think of someone dropping one gun and it magically turning into two because two people stole the one gun at the same time

idk much to think about, let me sleep on it and return tomorrow night re-invigorated

We probably have too many guns

changmas posted...

is it ever possible that town has a backup and scum has a corresponding item that functions the same way

such that it isn't actually cody that he found

This claim and Cody suspicion based on it are contradictory. Regardless of how this shakes out I think Cody is town at this point.

Confirmed gunsmith
Claimed vig
Claimed backup

Thats a lot of potential town guns

Then again role madness is meant to be crazy and I doubt Kirby counted my end game smiting ability into the mix for killing power

SirChris posted...

Confirmed gunsmith
Claimed vig
Claimed backup

Thats a lot of potential town guns

The confirmed gunsmith ONLY works during day, right? Unless I'm remembering that wrong? So we probably are safe to believe either Cody or Ulti, so the backup existing in some function works. Does that mean you're suspecting SBell of being one too many town guns?

EDumey posted...

The confirmed gunsmith ONLY works during day, right? Unless I'm remembering that wrong? So we probably are safe to believe either Cody or Ulti, so the backup existing in some function works. Does that mean you're suspecting SBell of being one too many town guns?

If we have too many guns I think it is sbell but not sure if kirby would agree

Cody11533 posted...

I just want to know what the resurrect role falls under, item or (passive based on Joyrock's flip) ability.

Ulti said it only picks up items and he hasn't taken that back yet

Also he's back to calling Chris scum despite the fact that he acknowledged yesterday he can't be because he gave out a Goldeen and scum only used one item

MZero posted...

Ulti said it only picks up items and he hasn't taken that back yet

Also he's back to calling Chris scum despite the fact that he acknowledged yesterday he can't be because he gave out a Goldeen and scum only used one item

He called me his number 2 scum and Chang his number 3 scum yesterday and now has neither of us on the list.

changmas posted...

oh we shouldn't claim now anyway, corrik isnt here

anyways im going to bed now and then i have a long work day, but ill be back around tomorrow evening/night EST

I won't be claiming.

Ulti please claim your real role. 3 people I believe pointed out your role couldn't be real if you were still voting Lea yesterday. Your role town cleared her. Yet you still voted her.

Wallz claimed roleblocked night 2. Edumey night 3. Ulti says he saw the roleblock night 2 but not night 3. And, if I am understanding his claimed role right, he chose high priority both times. So, he should have saw them both nights. So, despite the Lea wtf part of yesterday for ulti, you are back to that scum clearly has a way to circumvent his role anyways if true, or his claimed role just doesn't line up at all.

We definitely fell in love with confirming the game yesterday. Lea being scum made so many confirmed towns that it was game over. Her being town causes an entire reset now of game state. That sucks. Gonna take a lot of re-reading the game now. Especially because the lynches don't show much.

These Little Votals Cling onto Life
[4] Joyrock - (Ulti), (Chris), (Chris), Ulti, Chris, Death, (Lea), Cody
[3] Ulti - (Chris), MZero, Wallz, (SBell), Ctes, (Chris),(Death), (Chris), (Chris), (Cody)
[2] Chris - Red, (Ulti), Lea
[2] Lea - (Ulti), (Plum), (Corrik), (Chang), Plum, Corrik, (Ulti), (Chris)
[1] Red - (Ulti), (Lea), (Chris), (Chris), (Joyrock), (Chris), Joyrock, (Ulti), (Cody), (Corrik), (Plum)
[0] Crescent - (Lea)
[0] Cody- (SBell), (Chris), (Chang), (Joyrock)
[0] Plum - (Ulti)
[0] Wallz - (Ulti)
[0] Corrik - (Chris)

We have a relatively split up list of votals here. Cody just makes the vote to put joyrock into the lead. We can see 2 of the 3 votes on Ulti are town. Joyrock is voting red.

Sbell then votes Chris. With a "I'm going to regret this" disclaimer. This makes it 4 joy - 3 ulti - 3 chris

Right before the chris vote, sbell asks if they should special Cody who just voted joyrock. Red says no Cody is town.

Chris goes haywire and Lea votes for joyrock and gets off chris.

5joy-3ulti-2chris-2lea

Now comes the chang vote for joy.

6-3-2-2

Then my vote

After my vote Sbell unvotes Chris

7-3-1-1 final votals.

Obviously the game was paralyzed at the end of the day due to some drama. But, if chang is scum would he have tried another avenue there.

Official Votals
[7] Joyrock - (Ulti), (Chris), (Chris), Ulti, Chris, Death, (Lea), Cody, Lea, Chang, Corrik
[3] Ulti - (Chris), MZero, Wallz, (SBell), Ctes, (Chris),(Death), (Chris), (Chris), (Cody)
[1] Chris - Red, (Ulti), (Lea), (SBell)
[1] Lea - (Ulti), (Plum), (Corrik), (Chang), Plum, (Corrik), (Ulti), (Chris)
[1] Red - (Ulti), (Lea), (Chris), (Chris), (Joyrock), (Chris), Joyrock, (Ulti), (Cody), (Corrik), (Plum)
[0] Crescent - (Lea)
[0] Cody- (SBell), (Chris), (Chang), (Joyrock)
[0] Plum - (Ulti)
[0] Wallz - (Ulti)
[0] Corrik - (Chris)

I want to say probably he would try to save as scum, unless they knew who the cop was after night 1. Thus, godfather wasn't as valuable to them there and they knew it was about to become essentially a vanilla.

Sbell basically all but tried another avenue and gave up. Did have a disclaimer on his vote. His late unvote and not jumping on joyrock at the end was interesting though from scum perspective. Why not just leave his vote on Chris or just vote joyrock at that point.

Bleh, my brain is mush coming into today and the lynch basically killed my PoE so I need to recalibrate badly. There's a couple things I wanna address, first and foremost.

Today seems to be for massclaiming and I'm kinda in agreement so just gonna throw it out there: I am an x-shot strong protection role. I don't want to claim the number of shots for obvious reasons, and scum can play around it if they know what role it is exactly, but I do have at least one shot remaining.

Dumey's slot seems probably Town to me still, and he's came in fairly strong. To clarifly my Cody read, when I was keeping up with the game fully-ish up to the end of D1/start of D2, Cody was on my scumlist, which is what I was working off to start because my earlygame cold reads tend to be pretty good. When I replaced in and skimmed to catchup, Cody looked like Town, mostly for the weird backup claim under little pressure. Scum doesn't tend to do that shit.

I am now rethinking that, given that me earlier in the game tends to be more correct than me later in the game, as well as the fact I'm pretty confident Ulti is Town and my PoE is shot after the Lea flip. But also I didn't really think that Ulti was Town until day 2 when he started claiming weird shit and I am struggling to convey why I came to to that conclusion because claiming weird shit is just an Ulti thing, really. It just feels too weird for Ulti to be going toe to toe under pressure with Chris in the way I saw if he's Scum. Unless he's Scum with Chris? Last game I let myself get manipulated by angry outbursts from scum-Han for suspecting him and I am wary of letting that happen again. That said... I think Chris is far too mellow these days to do something so crazy-manipulative as Scum, so I'm just gonna pen in Ulti and Chris as Town.

I would very much appreciate it if you were fully honest with your role if you aren't already, Ulti. I thought it upgraded every day? Why did you only get one result today when you said you got two yesterday, and why isn't it a scan of something different like it was between N1 and N2? Or was some of that a fake-out that I missed in between the fish rotting my cerebral cortex?

Oh wait Ulti did say his role was all bullshit ignore that last section it's too early for me to be thinking rn

Yeah, no. You aren't protection.

##vote: Sheep

Well, at least my day 1 read was right. Unfortunate I was wrong on Lea though.

My vote is on sheep right now. Despite the unvote.

I'm basically a vanilla but every night I can send a message to Kirby that will be posted if I die. I doesn't interact with other roles and can't be roleblocked

The role is called Author

Corrik7 posted...

Yeah, no. You aren't protection.

Whatever you say, pal.

MZero with a very convenient claim. Feels slightly out of place here given how strong all the roles that have been claimed or flipped so far are, and even Chris' is at least confirmable. Will ISO him after I watch Dowolf play Snolf, I definitely still feel good on him but my PoE was just straight wrong so it's worth another look.

what type of protection is red trying to claim?

sorry I mean sheep...

Anyway,

I'm not town Vig. I'm town summoner and I can summon an Assist Trophy nightly to help me out.

It tracked Cody night 1. (this is why I don't believe Plums watcher claim. I could choose between a watch or a track. [plus cop, tracker and backup, that's a lot of investigations]) Cody did not go anywhere Night 1.

It shot Death night 2. already admitted that.

It roleblocked Plum night 3 after Lea flipped town. Lea not being scum made Plum look even more like shit.

So why didn't you shoot plum

MZero posted...

So why didn't you shoot plum

Because I've lost all confidence in being able to read anyone this game. It seems all I'm good at doing is playing devils advocate at lynch time and being right.