Current Events > Nintendo is charging $55 for Smash Ultimate DLC? Am I reading that price right?

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saspa
06/01/23 7:53:35 AM
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https://smashbros.nintendo.com/buy/dlc/

I'm not new to DLC, only to Nintendo/Switch type DLC since the Wii didn't have it nor did I have to pay for online.

With Sony and ps3/ps4 at least they constantly had sales where entire game collections dropped to like $20 with all DLC included.

But it's one thing to charge that price for an actual game like mario or zelda, but for... just a bunch of playable characters and 1 or 2 new stages they're charging the price of an entire game? The fuck? Am I missing something the product description isn't saying? This goes beyond just "the Nintendo tax"

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DarkChozoGhost
06/01/23 7:57:20 AM
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It's a couple years worth of big DLC packages all together, plus a bunch of $2 little skins, songs, and shit, like that. Most people only buy one or two of those little things for characters they personally really care about.

It's still ridiculous that they don't discount it like steam games do when they have multiple DLCs and are done supporting the game, but that's why it's like that.

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Spiderman23J
06/01/23 8:00:56 AM
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Thats crazy but its Nintendo

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cjsdowg
06/01/23 8:11:25 AM
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As someone who just bought Zelda, So far it big DCL see with out the powers I loved. I am throwing no shade on the consumer when i say this. Nintendo got us, because they became a part of our lives when we so young...for most of us. So they can get away with anything.

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JuanCarlos1
06/01/23 8:14:12 AM
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Characters were 5, 6 bucks each. Some they gotta pay licensing fees. I dont see it as a ripoff. Like others said this is years worth of new characters that the developers worked on.

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Solar_Crimson
06/01/23 8:18:52 AM
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JuanCarlos1 posted...
Characters were 5, 6 bucks each. Some they gotta pay licensing fees. I dont see it as a ripoff. Like others said this is years worth of new characters that the developers worked on.
This.

At least as far as the two Fighters Passes go (there is a bunch of separate DLC such as Mii costumes and Piranha Plant, the latter of which was free for early adopters), you get 11 new characters, 11 new stages, a shitton of new music and Spirit missions, and--if you buy the Passes themselves--two extra Mii costumes.

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Left4Doge
06/01/23 8:21:07 AM
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Its probably $60 total for all of the characters (including Piranha Plant) which is fair. $60 for 12 characters is normal by DLC standards. $5 per character.

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Rise_Makaveli
06/01/23 8:28:58 AM
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saspa posted...
https://smashbros.nintendo.com/buy/dlc/

I'm not new to DLC, only to Nintendo/Switch type DLC since the Wii didn't have it nor did I have to pay for online.

With Sony and ps3/ps4 at least they constantly had sales where entire game collections dropped to like $20 with all DLC included.

But it's one thing to charge that price for an actual game like mario or zelda, but for... just a bunch of playable characters and 1 or 2 new stages they're charging the price of an entire game? The fuck? Am I missing something the product description isn't saying? This goes beyond just "the Nintendo tax"
Every character gets a stage I think. Plus over a hundred tracks, I think one dlc character came with like damn near 70 songs.

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bigtiggie23
06/01/23 8:32:38 AM
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Some companies charge more money for much less DLC content. Isn't that right Koei Tecmo?

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Akagami_Shanks
06/01/23 8:32:44 AM
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saspa posted...
https://smashbros.nintendo.com/buy/dlc/

I'm not new to DLC, only to Nintendo/Switch type DLC since the Wii didn't have it nor did I have to pay for online.

With Sony and ps3/ps4 at least they constantly had sales where entire game collections dropped to like $20 with all DLC included.

But it's one thing to charge that price for an actual game like mario or zelda, but for... just a bunch of playable characters and 1 or 2 new stages they're charging the price of an entire game? The fuck? Am I missing something the product description isn't saying? This goes beyond just "the Nintendo tax"
Read the description again. Its challenge packs which is a character a stage and music, There are what11 of those?

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Eab1990
06/01/23 8:53:32 AM
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Rise_Makaveli posted...
Every character gets a stage I think. Plus over a hundred tracks, I think one dlc character came with like damn near 70 songs.

Terry came with 50 tracks, yes.

Sakurai mentioned how they sent SNK an entire list, expecting them to trim it down, and SNK just said "OKAY" to the whole thing. Can't find the clip of it though.
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cjsdowg
06/01/23 9:19:27 AM
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bigtiggie23 posted...
Some companies charge more money for much less DLC content. Isn't that right Koei Tecmo?

That is for women in skimpy out fits. So they are praying on people's loneliness which is bad too .

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Murphiroth
06/01/23 9:20:47 AM
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As pointed out, it's a massive amount of content between the characters, stages, and music. Feels in line for standard pricing for what it is.
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Foppe
06/01/23 9:32:56 AM
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The page clearly tells you how many characters, stages and music that are included and basic math shows us that it is pretty cheap divided on everything, so what is the problem here?

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Sir_Will
06/01/23 10:11:13 AM
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Eab1990 posted...
Terry came with 50 tracks, yes.

Sakurai mentioned how they sent SNK an entire list, expecting them to trim it down, and SNK just said "OKAY" to the whole thing. Can't find the clip of it though.
lol, nice

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saspa
06/03/23 2:46:28 PM
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Rise_Makaveli posted...

Every character gets a stage I think. Plus over a hundred tracks, I think one dlc character came with like damn near 70 songs.

Kinda reminded me of this video when you said that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_OzplzFhqc

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FolkenRawr
06/03/23 2:52:27 PM
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It's wild how normal it is to pay $70 for a game and then $5-6 extra for each new character.

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saspa
06/06/23 1:57:32 AM
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FolkenRawr posted...
It's wild how normal it is to pay $70 for a game and then $5-6 extra for each new character.

The fact that the majority of posts ITT are literally going "This is fine" left me utterly bewildered for a while before making me realize just how much the landscape of video gaming has changed and how normalized microtransactions have been and later on GaaS will be. Gamers are never going to "speak with their wallet" are they

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LightningAce11
06/06/23 1:59:41 AM
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It is quite crazy that a few extra characters cost as much as a full game. Gamers are suckers when it comes to throwing money at companies.

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Ivany2008
06/06/23 2:00:03 AM
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its a bit much, but still not as bad as Guitar Hero/Rock Band. 1 dollar per song, about 3,000 songs in dlc, and as far as I know they don't bundle any of them up.
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refmon
06/06/23 2:00:44 AM
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LightningAce11 posted...
It is quite crazy that a few extra characters cost as much as a full game. Gamers are suckers when it comes to throwing money at companies.


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MabusIncarnate
06/06/23 2:01:43 AM
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Maybe it will be on summer sale for $50 lol

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MICHALECOLE
06/06/23 2:03:14 AM
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saspa posted...
The fact that the majority of posts ITT are literally going "This is fine" left me utterly bewildered for a while before making me realize just how much the landscape of video gaming has changed and how normalized microtransactions have been and later on GaaS will be. Gamers are never going to "speak with their wallet" are they
Okay, but like, the alternative is you buy the game and then.. thats it. No new characters, thats it until the next one is out

I feel like smash in particular is doing dlc right
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Sir_Will
06/06/23 2:38:53 AM
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The problem is Nintendo stuff doesn't go on much of a sale, even years later. It seemed ok, if a little pricy, as it came out. But I can see the issue if you're just getting it.

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Baha05
06/06/23 2:41:31 AM
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LightningAce11 posted...
It is quite crazy that a few extra characters cost as much as a full game. Gamers are suckers when it comes to throwing money at companies.
If you want to ignore all the work put into characters, stages, music, etc then by all means continue to be disingenuous

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LightningAce11
06/06/23 2:43:17 AM
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Baha05 posted...
If you want to ignore all the work put into characters, stages, music, etc then by all means continue to be disingenuous
The amount of work for 10 or so characters is not the same as 70+ a whole new game.

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Baha05
06/06/23 2:45:43 AM
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LightningAce11 posted...
The amount of work for 10 or so characters is not the same as 70+ a whole new game.
It is still work and there are still all sorts of things going into the designs, move sets, licenses, music, stages, etc extra content added. And all if that is bundled in like two DLC packs for roughly $60 the price is well worth it. Most DLC fighters rarely come with that much stuff for a portion of the cost.

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Illuminoius
06/06/23 2:46:47 AM
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people really go through a lot of hoops to justify the price of dlc

you can just say "because people will buy overpriced dlc". you don't need to say anything else
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Baha05
06/06/23 2:49:08 AM
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Illuminoius posted...
people really go through a lot of hoops to justify the price of dlc

you can just say "because people will buy overpriced dlc". you don't need to say anything else
Id more argue most people try harder to devalue a lot of things by claiming something is overpriced without any ability to say WAY something is overpriced.

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BurmesePenguin
06/06/23 2:51:25 AM
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Baha05 posted...
Id more argue most people try harder to devalue a lot of things by claiming something is overpriced without any ability to say WAY something is overpriced.
Surely DLC should be valued against the base product it is DLC for.

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sabin017
06/06/23 2:52:12 AM
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I wouldn't mind if it's COMPLETE DLC

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Revelation34
06/06/23 2:52:15 AM
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MICHALECOLE posted...

Okay, but like, the alternative is you buy the game and then.. thats it. No new characters, thats it until the next one is out

I feel like smash in particular is doing dlc right


The Nintendo ones should have been in the main game.

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Baha05
06/06/23 2:56:32 AM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
Surely DLC should be valued against the base product it is DLC for.
How so?

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MICHALECOLE
06/06/23 3:01:45 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
The Nintendo ones should have been in the main game.
How many characters were in the base game? Literally every character from the previous games, right?
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darkbuster
06/06/23 3:13:47 AM
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Doesn't Dead or Alive charge something like $2 a piece, just for skimpy costumes? I mean, it's on brand, but still. Contrast, Nintendo offers a full character which includes: alternate costumes, theme tracks, full stage, & additional spirits; like it or not, Nintendo's DLC is better than most, which still doesn't adequately convey how low the bar truly gets in some cases. Disgaea got so crazy with DLC, on top of a cash shop, that I don't even bother to buy them anymore, until the "Complete" versions get released.

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Baha05
06/06/23 3:17:16 AM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
How many characters were in the base game? Literally every character from the previous games, right?
I think like 72

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MICHALECOLE
06/06/23 3:18:59 AM
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Baha05 posted...
I think like 72
Apparently that wasnt enough for some people

seems like a crazy high number to me
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ChrisTaka
06/06/23 3:23:14 AM
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darkbuster posted...
Doesn't Dead or Alive charge something like $2 a piece, just for skimpy costumes? I mean, it's on brand, but still.

I don't know about DoA6, but DoA5 DLC was the most horrendous shit I've seen.

Assuming you only buy the all the the packs that give you everything in the game, that alone is well over $600

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Link_of_time
06/06/23 6:00:00 AM
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Baha05 posted...
How so?
The base game is $60 for 69 characters, 100+ stages, etc
This dlc is $60 for 10 characters, 11 stages
MICHALECOLE posted...
How many characters were in the base game? Literally every character from the previous games, right?
69 + 1 dlc. There's more but, the other characters are echoes(clones) like dark samus or dakr pit.

The issue here isnt the price for the dlc. The dlc here is the equivalent to most fighting games and they release at the same price. I personally think the price should be $50, but i dont think $60 is outlandish like some contemporarys(Blizzard). The problem is the amount of content given by Nintendo in the base game. 70 characters at launch is a insane number. Sf6 just launched with 18 characters at $60. Does this mean Capcom is ripping ppl off cuz Smash launched with 70?
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saspa
06/08/23 1:12:02 PM
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Ivany2008 posted...
its a bit much, but still not as bad as Guitar Hero/Rock Band. 1 dollar per song, about 3,000 songs in dlc, and as far as I know they don't bundle any of them up.

That is pretty ridiculous yeah. Remembering a time when horse armor dlc was heavily criticized and memed to death, which didn't help at all to curb it because that's basically what dlc became, hell I think zelda's breath of the wild had an almost hilarious intentional nod to that where there's a dlc where you can equip your horse with teleporting horse armor.

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Prestoff
06/08/23 1:49:28 PM
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It's a pretty good deal for a DLC bundle. The issue that I think a lot of people have is that Nintendo games rarely go on sale and if they do the sales are normally trash. Most other fighters would release a "complete edition" at a much discounted price later in its life span. For Smash you still have to buy the base game (most of the time at full price) and then you have to buy the DLC as a separate bundle. It's more of a Nintendo corporate problem than the devs really.

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pojr
06/08/23 1:50:32 PM
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i only have plant and that's because it was free at the time. i haven't bothered with the DLC because i don't like the selection of characters. if Eggman were DLC, i would have purchased it.

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Revelation34
06/08/23 1:50:44 PM
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Prestoff posted...
It's a pretty good deal for a DLC bundle. The issue that I think a lot of people have is that Nintendo games rarely go on sale and if they do the sales are normally trash. Most other fighters would release a "complete edition" at a much discounted price later in its life span. For Smash you still have to buy the base game (most of the time at full price) and then you have to buy the DLC as a separate bundle. It's more of a Nintendo corporate problem than the devs really.


I think they typically only do sales when the next game in a series is coming out. The DLC for BOTW was on sale in February.

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Jagr_68
06/08/23 1:52:49 PM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
It's a couple years worth of big DLC packages all together, plus a bunch of $2 little skins, songs, and shit, like that. Most people only buy one or two of those little things for characters they personally really care about.

It's still ridiculous that they don't discount it like steam games do when they have multiple DLCs and are done supporting the game, but that's why it's like that.

Meanwhile MK11, Injustice 2, FighterZ, and Tekken 7 Ultimate Editions $15-$25 avg sale price but again, Nintendo gonna Nintendo

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Solar_Crimson
06/08/23 1:53:37 PM
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For everyone saying that the DLC for Smash is overpriced, how much should each DLC cost, then?

Revelation34 posted...
The Nintendo ones should have been in the main game.
Sakurai already said why Min Min and Pyra/Mythra (or rather, Fighters from ARMS and Xenoblade 2) weren't in the base game; their games came out too late to make the base game roster. The Smash roster is decided upon at the start of development, and it is very rare that new characters are added after the fact (with the exceptions being last-minute clones, and Sonic in Brawl which caused Brawl to be delayed).

And Byleth's game wasn't even out when Ultimate launched.

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Karovorak
06/08/23 1:56:25 PM
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LightningAce11 posted...
It is quite crazy that a few extra characters cost as much as a full game. Gamers are suckers when it comes to throwing money at companies.

This.

But Nintendo/Smash is pretty tame compared to others.

Smash: 69 fighters + 12 DLC fighters (6 per fighter or 55 for 2 season passes for eleven of them, piranha plant not included)

Tekken 7: 36 characters + 15 DLC fighters (6 per fighter, or 95 for 4 season passes for 14 of them, Eliza not included).

Granblue Phantasy Versus: 13 Characters + 12 DLC fighters (7 per fighter for 10 of them, or 2 seasons passes for 65, the last two are a extra 10 bundle).

The DLC politic of Granblue Phantasy was the reason I'm still boycotting this game. 1 month after release they already sold 3 DLC fighters, shortly after that season pass 1 was already over. Season pass 2 starting even half a year after the maingame got released.

That's just holding content back to sell it as an extra. At least in the case of Smash and Tekken I can assume that they put some effort into the DLC AFTER the game got released.

And I'm sure if I look for some of the Dragonball games it get's even much worse, with glorified alts getting sold as the new Goku version.

EDIT: All prices from my current location (if you didn't notice me using instead of $) at the current time, no sale going on at all.
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Questionmarktarius
06/08/23 1:58:29 PM
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saspa posted...
With Sony and ps3/ps4 at least they constantly had sales where entire game collections dropped to like $20 with all DLC included.
...are you new to Nintendo?
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Revelation34
06/08/23 2:03:59 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...


Sakurai already said why Min Min and Pyra/Mythra (or rather, Fighters from ARMS and Xenoblade 2) weren't in the base game; their games came out too late to make the base game roster. The Smash roster is decided upon at the start of development, and it is very rare that new characters are added after the fact (with the exceptions being last-minute clones, and Sonic in Brawl which caused Brawl to be delayed).

And Byleth's game wasn't even out when Ultimate launched.


Huh. I didn't know it was impossible to update a game without DLC.

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Prestoff
06/08/23 2:30:24 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
I think they typically only do sales when the next game in a series is coming out. The DLC for BOTW was on sale in February.

I'm not saying they don't put their games on sale or their DLC's. It's just rare for them to do and if they do go on sale, the discounts are minimal. Though I do give credit where credit is due, Nintendo got all of us by the balls. They know no matter what the price of the game is, we're going to buy it regardless. Why? Because on average Nintnedo games tend to be good/high quality. It's on a system that has the flexibility to be portable and stationed to play on a big screen. Even if they have a lot of anti-consumer practices, spits on their e-sports community, etc. we'll still buy their games regardless. Though this probably explains greatly why they're really ramming hard on piracy, though I think those assholes streaming TotK much earlier than the release date was the thing that broke the camels back.

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Nemu
06/08/23 2:34:56 PM
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It's a pretty hefty amount of content, though anyone not Nintendo would probably start cutting it down year after year to make it look like a prettier package for a slowly aging game. They really should make an Smash Ultimate Ultimate at some point with everything included.
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