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When I think Yoshi I think cute green dinosaur.

That's like saying Shinji P, Hideo D, Shigeru A...

nickname is fine
how he ruined the flawed but promising sequel to the greatest game of all time is unforgivable

ArsGoetia posted...

nickname is fine
how he ruined the flawed but promising sequel to the greatest game of all time is unforgivable

What game is that?

Could not even close to guess what that supposed game is...

Do you think Mario and Luigi are dumb names for a creator to have too

Ars is probably trolling because it sounds like they're claiming he ruined ff14, the "greatest game" in this case being ff11.

GiftedACIII posted...

Do you think Mario and Luigi are dumb names for a creator to have too

Only if the creator was also named Mario Mario or Mario/Luigi- P (for plumber) lol

Yoshi, producer? I dunno. I don't mind it personally
(His name is Naoki Yoshida so it doesn't even have any Ps in it)

spikethedevil posted...

What game is that?

the greatest game of all time or the one yoshi p ruined?

ArsGoetia posted...

the greatest game of all time or the one yoshi p ruined?

One implies the other anyways, so just say both.

Karovorak posted...

One implies the other anyways, so just say both.

final fantasy 11 and final fantasy 14

ArsGoetia posted...

final fantasy 11 and final fantasy 14

Damn.

Imagine thinking that Final Fantasy 14 is "ruined".

Karovorak posted...

Damn.

Imagine thinking that Final Fantasy 14 is "ruined".

tbh i envy people that dont know what it could have been

sauceje posted...

Yoshi, producer? I dunno. I don't mind it personally
(His name is Naoki Yoshida so it doesn't even have any Ps in it)

Yeah the P is for producer. Yoshida is cooler but whatever.

ArsGoetia posted...

tbh i envy people that dont know what it could have been

I beta tested the thing. 1.0 was was a mess. It was ugly, the interfaces were bad, the weapon-based class system led to long lines outside of rare mobs for people trying to farm up good gear.

You're letting your nostalgia from 11 being an unbelievably unforgiving MMO experience cloud you into thinking that 1.0 was better than realm reborn simply because it was more like 11.

And what's wrong with being a cute green dinosaur? Other than the tax fraud...

s0nicfan posted...

I beta tested the thing. 1.0 was was a mess. It was ugly, the interfaces were bad, the weapon-based class system led to long lines outside of rare mobs for people trying to farm up good gear.

You're letting your nostalgia from 11 being an unbelievably unforgiving MMO experience cloud you into thinking that 1.0 was better than realm reborn simply because it was more like 11.

i too beta tested from the first CBT
what part of "flawed" in my OP was misunderstood?
it had many problems, but had it become something more akin to a modernized 11 (which it was on track to be, as they started adding in NMs, etc.) rather than the theme park hotbar patch cycle vertical gear grind bullshit mmo it became like literally everything else on the market, id have been thrilled
the story is overhyped as fuck, the world is boring and pointless (but pretty), the combat is rote with zero flexibility
it is literally dress up and cutscene simulator

ArsGoetia posted...

i too beta tested from the first CBT
what part of "flawed" in my OP was misunderstood?
it had many problems, but had it become something more akin to a modernized 11 (which it was on track to be, as they started adding in NMs, etc.) rather than the theme park hotbar patch cycle vertical gear grind bullshit mmo it became like literally everything else on the market, id have been thrilled
the story is overhyped as fuck, the world is boring and pointless (but pretty), the combat is rote with zero flexibility
it is literally dress up and cutscene simulator

I figured this was going to be about 14 being a theme park, but you're conflating design with quality. There's absolutely no problem with you not liking the type of game that 14 is, but arguing that it's bad because it's not the type of game you want isn't really a fair position. It would be like a Halo player trying out rainbow six and then complaining that being killed in one shot makes the game not fun.

I'm glad you enjoyed 11, but 14 just being a slightly prettier 11 never made sense. 11 still had, and still does have, a large community and the game is still getting new content updates as recently as like 6 months ago.

I have no idea where you're getting the whole thing about the story being overhyped, especially if you're coming from 11 where the story is borderline non-existent. A generic cloud of darkness evil force is doing generic evil things and the beast tribes get up to their usual shenanigans with summons.

Flawed is not the word I would use to describe 1.0. I think absolute dogshit fits much better. It was a bad game performance wise and gameplay wise. There's a reason why it failed spectacularly.

s0nicfan posted...

I figured this was going to be about 14 being a theme park, but you're conflating design with quality. There's absolutely no problem with you not liking the type of game that 14 is, but arguing that it's bad because it's not the type of game you want isn't really a fair position. It would be like a Halo player trying out rainbow six and then complaining that being killed in one shot makes the game not fun.

I'm glad you enjoyed 11, but 14 just being a slightly prettier 11 never made sense. 11 still had, and still does have, a large community and the game is still getting new content updates as recently as like 6 months ago.

I have no idea where you're getting the whole thing about the story being overhyped, especially if you're coming from 11 where the story is borderline non-existent. A generic cloud of darkness evil force is doing generic evil things and the beast tribes get up to their usual shenanigans with summons.

continue proving you know fuck all about 11 lol
arent you the dude who told me to level thf for "treasure hunter or whatever it's called"?

regardless
dont give a shit whats fair or what you like or think is good tbh
i wanted 11-2
what i got was final fantasy skinned WoW with way more (read: too many) cutscenes and somehow even less depth

FF 14 would have simply died if they didnt reboot it. Youd never have gotten what you wanted because the game wouldnt have lasted long enough to become that.

ArsGoetia posted...

continue proving you know fuck all about 11 lol
arent you the dude who told me to level thf for "treasure hunter or whatever it's called"?

regardless
dont give a shit whats fair or what you like or think is good tbh
i wanted 11-2
what i got was final fantasy skinned WoW with way more (read: too many) cutscenes and somehow even less depth

When you're done having that little tantrum you should probably wipe the spit from your lips and straighten yourself up. You're embarrassing yourself.

s0nicfan posted...

When you're done having that little tantrum you should probably wipe the spit from your lips and straighten yourself up. You're embarrassing yourself.

lol "i got called out and dont know how to respond therefore i will insult you"

Yoshi Penis

ArsGoetia posted...

continue proving you know fuck all about 11 lol
arent you the dude who told me to level thf for "treasure hunter or whatever it's called"?

regardless
dont give a shit whats fair or what you like or think is good tbh
i wanted 11-2
what i got was final fantasy skinned WoW with way more (read: too many) cutscenes and somehow even less depth

Why are you upset with XIV when it's literally not titled XI-2?

This is just as weird as the people who complained VII is nor VI-2.

ArsGoetia posted...

lol "i got called out and dont know how to respond therefore i will insult you"

I'm sorry, did the person who just said "dont give a shit whats fair or what you like or think is good tbh
i wanted 11-2" actually think that was anything other than the digital equivalent of flopping onto the floor of the toy store and kicking and screaming?

Am I supposed to give a shit about your responses after you so proudly declared you don't give a shit what I think? Like, did you actually think this response was some kind of "gotcha"?

I actually knew a guy briefly irl his nickname was Yoshi and he was Japanese too fwiw.

Seemed really chill. We played pool and then went to some restaurant with a group of friends.

Ricemills posted...

Why are you upset with XIV when it's literally not titled XI-2?

This is just as weird as the people who complained VII is nor VI-2.

if you had played 11 and 14 1.0, 14 was very much shaping up to be a successor in the same vein. from the aesthetic/setting ( the races, three city states, conquest, beastmen, etc.) to the gameplay (crossclassing, focus sandbox party play, lateral gear progression with situational abilities). it was 11-2.

it had a myriad of issues, and instead of fixing them and working within the same style of MMO, they hired a dude who played western MMOs and literally reworked it with the mindset "it needs to be more like world of warcraft"

so now crossclassing is gone. zones are empty theme parks. gear is a 100% vertical progression on a patch cycle that leaves basically nothing to do in between but fuckin duty roulettes with randos and meaningless filler activities. its final fantasy flavored wow

but hey, emet selch is cool or something
good trade off

Thread marks the first time I've ever seen a human being actually think 1.0 was good, always a first for everything.

I dunno how you can do savage or ultimate raids in 14 and say there's no depth to the classes. The variances for your rotations to line up with the fight timings is super important and then the difference with someone who is actually good with their class and one who isn't is night and day.

Holy_Cloud105 posted...

I dunno how you can do savage or ultimate raids in 14 and say there's no depth to the classes. The variances for your rotations to line up with the fight timings is super important and then the difference with someone who is actually good with their class and one who isn't is night and day.

lol
the "when" of pressing a button to align with incredibly scripted fight mechanics is not class depth, its rotation optimization
call me when your dragoon can subclass a mage job and be a competent healer, or your ninja can be the highest DPS and most heal efficient tank by subclassing warrior, or your red mage can subclass ninja and solo world bosses
also you need the appropriate gear and spells (bought/quested/dropped) to run these builds and any permutation thereof

i did ult alex
i parsed 97 on a few shadowbringers fights
shit is just memorization of mechanics and optimization of a routine

Look, I admittedly don't know a lot about either 11 or 14, but isn't half the issue with 1.0 14 that the whole production was a mess where they couldn't get anything done efficiently and had stupidly high poly barrels and shit? Whatever design changes that happened because of Yoshi P isn't he the one that fixed that and got them able to crank out expansions and patches on a really tight schedule? Game design and project management are different issues and it sounds like he pretty comprehensively solved at least one of them for 14.

myusernameislame posted...

Look, I admittedly don't know a lot about either 11 or 14, but isn't half the issue with 1.0 14 that the whole production was a mess where they couldn't get anything done efficiently and had stupidly high poly barrels and shit? Whatever design changes that happened because of Yoshi P isn't he the one that fixed that and got them able to crank out expansions and patches on a really tight schedule? Game design and project management are different issues and it sounds like he pretty comprehensively solved at least one of them for 14.

i mean
its like saying
suppose theres a hypothetical new final fantasy tactics game coming out
the demo sucks balls, but you can tell if they worked out the issues it would prolly be pretty stellar
so they decide to work out the issues by bringing in a dude whos a super big total war fan and he makes it a fuckin total war game because those games are popular and sell well
game is slick as hell and sells like hot cakes
but its not the game you wanted

It appears ArsGoetia and Sonicfan are arguing two different things. Sonicfan and the like is saying "14 1.0 was a really bad product overall and the reboot is a quality product worthy of bringing to the market". Ars' argument is "14 1.0 was flawed, yes, but it had good game design ideas that could have built upon and refined and the reboot throws all those unique ideas and replaces them with the gameplay design seen in other popular MMOs in the market."

I don't see what the conflict is here. You can still be critical of a decision made despite it being made during a time where tensions and stakes were high (the decision to play it safe to get the game out). At the same time, you can also recognize that because the brand's life was on the line due to the awful release of 14 1.0, decisions had to be made to and sacrifices had to be made.

Sad_Face posted...

It appears ArsGoetia and Sonicfan are arguing two different things. Sonicfan and the like is saying "14 1.0 was a really bad product overall and the reboot is a quality product worthy of bringing to the market". Ars' argument is "14 1.0 was flawed, yes, but it had good game design ideas that could have built upon and refined and the reboot throws all those unique ideas and replaces them with the gameplay design seen in other popular MMOs in the market."

I don't see what the conflict is here. You can still be critical of a decision made despite it being made during a time where tensions and stakes were high (the decision to play it safe to get the game out). At the same time, you can also recognize that because the brand's life was on the line due to the awful release of 14 1.0, decisions had to be made to and sacrifices had to be made.

this guy gets it
i give 14 (arr and beyond) a lot of shit but it is objectively not a bad game
but i yearn for the game it could have been (not a mass market wow clone)

ArsGoetia posted...

but i yearn for the game it could have been (not a mass market wow clone)

sadly developing and maintaining an MMO is expensive as hell so if it doesn't have mass market appeal damn near nobody's gonna want to make it

sauceje posted...

sadly developing and maintaining an MMO is expensive as hell so if it doesn't have mass market appeal damn near nobody's gonna want to make it

It especially makes no sense to keep 11 and 14 both running, when both of them cater to the same taste and customers.

If 14 would have become 11-2 , 11 would have just died instantly.