Current Events > AZ AG to ignore supreme court ruling on website case

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Good! Enforce the anti discrimination law as is. We need more blue state AG's to take this stance.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/arizona-attorney-general-kris-mayes-140030478.html

Arizona coming a long way since the Joe Arpaio hellhole it used to be in

Tyranthraxus posted...

Arizona coming a long way since the Joe Arpaio hellhole it used to be in

Yeah, I consider checking it out sometimes, but Im not 100% convinced that they arent going to swing red again and close the dispensaries.

Good.

Payzmaykr posted...

Yeah, I consider checking it out sometimes, but Im not 100% convinced that they arent going to swing red again and close the dispensaries.

I've been considering moving somewhere into the Mojave desert for a while. Stuff like this just makes me want to go more.

Payzmaykr posted...

Yeah, I consider checking it out sometimes, but Im not 100% convinced that they arent going to swing red again and close the dispensaries.

Like a lot of states it really depends on where you go. Tucson has always been the liberal hotbed in Arizona, but recently Phoenix has been swinging left (as shown in the elections, since more than 50% of the population is in Phoenix)

But there are still a lot a rural hellholes around, but overall as a state we are constantly making progress.... just don't visit in the Summer unless you somehow enjoy 110 degree weather

Seems like she's one of the few Democrats with both sense and a spine. This is what they all should be doing. Wouldn't be surprised if she gets scolded by the establishment Dems for daring to go against an US institution like the Supreme Court.

Tyranthraxus posted...

I've been considering moving somewhere into the Mojave desert for a while.

You'll wish for a nuclear winter.

I imagine MA and most of the other northeastern states should be following suit very soon.

I don't really know how I feel about commissioned work and the rights around it.

There could be innumerable reasons to not want to take a job that are perfectly fine.
This is probably going to force people to obfuscate more during the whole process so they have plausible deniability.

That said if they want to operate in the public market then there has to be a common set of rules. I dunno.

Artists should decide the content of their art while who they have to sell to can be determined by the state. If you allow the state to compel speech, youll get shit like Florida passing laws to force artists to accept anti lgbt commissions and then proceed to deliberately hire(likely personally or through non-government organizations affiliated with them) leftist and lgbt artists to make such things.

Props to her for standing her ground. That ruling sends us several steps backwards. It hasn't even been 60 years since the Civil Rights Act was passed and outlawed businesses from discriminating.

firedoom666 posted...

Like a lot of states it really depends on where you go. Tucson has always been the liberal hotbed in Arizona, but recently Phoenix has been swinging left (as shown in the elections, since more than 50% of the population is in Phoenix)

But there are still a lot a rural hellholes around, but overall as a state we are constantly making progress.... just don't visit in the Summer unless you somehow enjoy 110 degree weather

Yep, Flagstaff is also the other left leaning/liberal hotbed.

It's definitely slowly moving left everywhere in the state. Very slowly, where elections are still too close for comfort, but if the democrats can start taking some of the local elections, and finally get the majority in the in-state legislature AZ should be blue for years to come. I do my part and vote in everything I can.

uwnim posted...

Artists should decide the content of their art while who they have to sell to can be determined by the state. If you allow the state to compel speech, youll get shit like Florida passing laws to force artists to accept anti lgbt commissions and then proceed to deliberately hire(likely personally or through non-government organizations affiliated with them) leftist and lgbt artists to make such things.

Hate groups aren't a protected class but ok

Tyranthraxus posted...

Hate groups aren't a protected class but ok

Theyd hide it under religion. Like they always try to do.

They ruled on a completely fake case. Their legitimacy is gone.

So if she continues to enforce it, does that mean those it's enforced against can sue the state?

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They did the same thing with the student loan case. The Supreme Court shouldn't be deciding illigitmate cases that don't have standing.

This is the problem with clown rulings you put your legitimacy at risk and soon the Union will outright ignore your rulings which may cause huge chaos in the country.

Honestly, that's how we should handle every SC case moving forward. This court is woefully corrupt and manned mostly by turmpy boy stooges. No ruling they issue should be adhered to in any way.

This would be very dangerous precedent. The SCOTUS is a joke right now and that opinion is trash but Im not going to support any AG going rogue whether I agree with their moral position or not.

voldothegr8 posted...

So if she continues to enforce it, does that mean those it's enforced against can sue the state?

It's not going to end good for the AG or the states tax payers if SCOTUS has to slap them down multiple times. Honestly given the precedent, it wont even make it that far, the state courts will tell her to fuck off at this point, as will any police or administrators she uses to try an enforce it.

whitelytning posted...

This would be very dangerous precedent. The SCOTUS is a joke right now and that opinion is trash but Im not going to support any AG going rogue whether I agree with their moral position or not.

Yup.
If the court has destroyed democracy on the previous case, it would leave little choice but a soft revolution. Here, this is just salt over which rights take precedent. 1A vs anti-discrimination protections.

uwnim posted...

Theyd hide it under religion. Like they always try to do.

Religions aren't a protected class either.

firedoom666 posted...

Like a lot of states it really depends on where you go. Tucson has always been the liberal hotbed in Arizona, but recently Phoenix has been swinging left (as shown in the elections, since more than 50% of the population is in Phoenix)

But there are still a lot a rural hellholes around, but overall as a state we are constantly making progress.... just don't visit in the Summer unless you somehow enjoy 110 degree weather

Yeah one thing that really surprised me when I was in Phoenix in April was the amount of dislike people had for President Tangerine and his cultists.

CE had lead me to believe that the entire state was some deranged Republican shithole, but it really isnt. Sure some of the rural areas were a bit more redneck (looking at you Marana and Casa Grande) but as usual CE grossly exaggerated the right wingness of the state.

The supreme court is trash. Not democratically voted in, and there for LIFE.

No intelligent person looks at that and thinks it's anywhere near fair and balanced, and what a healthy democracy should strive for.

It's a relic. Relics should/ and do get replaced/made obsolete. Like slavery.

The Supreme Court already fucked the whole system up. It's done. The instittuoins are dead. By tying yourselves to them, you're just letting yourself get punched in the face and tying your hands behind your back. We're going to move into a more dangerous, much more uncertain world, but blindly following their rulings at this point won't help anything.

If you do that, you get more bad rulings and the bad rulings don't go against conservatives. But if you start ignoring them, conservatives already get the rulings they want, and conservatives have a long history of ignoring court orders they don't like with either impunity or creativity (see Brown v. Board), so not that much changes.

uwnim posted...

Artists should decide the content of their art while who they have to sell to can be determined by the state. If you allow the state to compel speech, youll get shit like Florida passing laws to force artists to accept anti lgbt commissions and then proceed to deliberately hire(likely personally or through non-government organizations affiliated with them) leftist and lgbt artists to make such things.

Ehh.. it feels like that's true for artists to an extent, but right now we *do* compel speech in some art - barbers can't refuse service to black people.

Which Florida law and instance of hire/work are you referring to?

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I actually agree with the ruling as I understand it- I agreed with a similar one regarding what decorations they could be required to put on cakes - but I'm still glad to see people disregarding it because it's completely illegitimate.