Poll of the Day > Florida Schools to Tell Kids Slavery Benefited Black People

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not to mention being forced to farm completely different products in completely different ways

Enslaved Africans already had skills before they were taken captive including pottery making, weaving, wood carving, etc. Metal working, black smithing and bronze smithing was thriving in Africa for thousands of years before colonialism and the slave trade.

Slaves taken to the Carolinas were sent there specifically because of their knowledge of rice growing techniques, women brought rice and okra over in their hair and they were planted here. It's not like they were bringing in unskilled labor, that is factually incorrect.

And what DeRacist is also wrong about is the fact that enslaved Africans did not receive payment for their skills, they were slaves.

ReturnOfFa posted...

what is the point of this observation

that her assumption "they didnt want to be farmers" was incorrect since its highly likely many were already farmers they didnt want to be slaves since slavery is wrong

Jen0125 posted...

And if they were already free farmers in their home country what benefit did they receive becoming enslaved farmers in a foreign country? They already had the skills. What was their benefit?

they received no benefit clearly

potdnewb posted...

that her assumption "they didnt want to be farmers" was incorrect since its highly likely many were already farmers they didnt want to be slaves since slavery is wrong

I don't think anyone being shipped across the Atlantic gave a flying fuck whether or not they happened to already be farmers heading over to farm. Even assuming 'many were already farmers' is so dumb. West Africans didn't have a society that simple. There would be massive proportions of fisherman, metal-workers, miners, an extremely diverse array of administrative tasks, etc etc just like most societies around 1500s-1800s. Farming palm vs farming cotton also is a completely different task. Your oversimplified 'ovservation' is so banal as to be irrelevant.

Jen0125 posted...

And if they were already free farmers in their home country what benefit did they receive becoming enslaved farmers in a foreign country? They already had the skills. What was their benefit?

Farmers make up only 1.3% of the workforce so this situation feels extremely unlikely.

Taharqa_ posted...

Slaves taken to the Carolinas were sent there specifically because of their knowledge of rice growing techniques

Im going to take a controversial approach and say this was likely a secondary advantage.

Cacciato posted...

Im going to take a controversial approach and say this was likely a secondary advantage.

this is a serious devils advocate post and by no means is advocating slavery but forcibly employing skilled employees seems more advantageous than non-skilled employees

potdnewb posted...

this is a serious devils advocate post and by no means is advocating slavery but forcibly employing skilled employees seems more advantageous than non-skilled employees

you began this entire train of thought with devils advocate nonsense

your very language betrays your ignorance. 'forcibly employing' is enslaving. you aren't forcibly employed. employment has hours. enslavement is every fucking hour of your waking life. and jesus christ it wasn't always about picking 'skilled' slaves, even though there were situations were the skills of those slaves were considered or taken advantage of, as mentioned with rice cultivation, or with simply enslaving strong men. that being said, men, women and children were all abducted and enslaved without any consideration of their ability, and were forced into labour of all different kinds that may or may not have had parallels to their prior labour. and idk observing a benefit from putting people into parallel labour just seems like a 'I'd be a pretty thoughtful slave owner' fantasy of sorts. it's not even accurate across the board and even if you're not doing it maliciously, it's bad fantasy.

ReturnOfFa posted...

unnecessary rant

all slavery is bad guy im not sure why you need to be so outraged that we agree with each other
https://imgur.io/t/ping_pong/csjybHZ

potdnewb posted...

all slavery is bad guy im not sure why you need to be so outraged that we agree with each other
https://imgur.io/t/ping_pong/csjybHZ

People are "outraged" because you made a bad faith statement. You know what you're doing and you're playing dumb. Walk into a Holocaust museum and state to anyone "the Holocaust was bad but" followed by anything. I guarantee you no one will care about whatever you say after "but" because they're too confused about how you are playing devil's advocate for the Holocaust.

sodium-chloride posted...

People are "outraged" because you made a bad faith statement. You know what you're doing and you're playing dumb. Walk into a Holocaust museum and state to anyone "the Holocaust was bad but" followed by anything. I guarantee you no one will care about whatever you say after "but" because they're too confused about how you are playing devil's advocate for the Holocaust.

accept i didnt advocate for any atrocities other users are creating that narrative including yourself never once have i agreed with florida

potdnewb posted...

accept i didnt advocate for any atrocities other users are creating that narrative including yourself never once have i agreed with florida

Congrats on missing the point again. Also the fuck does Florida have to do with anything

sodium-chloride posted...

Congrats on missing the point again. Also the fuck does Florida have to do with anything

read the topic title

potdnewb posted...

all slavery is bad guy im not sure why you need to be so outraged that we agree with each other
https://imgur.io/t/ping_pong/csjybHZ

ah yes explaining something = so outraged

here's your cookie for saying slavery is bad. I already took your cookie away though for blabbering about forcefully employed people having transferable skillsets, sorry!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/1/4/AAAgaZAAEsXq.jpg

It's so funny that politics is the closest thing to the good vs evil that exists in movies/shows that we have.

"At least they weren't a bunch of dumb naked savages, they now so graciously get to be the rubber on the bottom of glorious capitalism's feet"

It's like there's some other way to introduce scientific advancements to tribal people, but the fish eat fish world you love so much would rather kidnap and take advantage of them

Sometimes I think Jesse Waters is a less talented version of Tucker. Then I listen to/watch early and recent Tucker and I realize he is...not intelligent, people are just suckered into it. Tucker's recent Twitter (or X, rofl) 'episodes' have been...insane, and even more nonsensical than his previous stuff, if you can believe it. So Waters probably has a long career. I mean, Gutfeld has had a long career, and he has the comedic timing of a 6 year old.

Jen0125 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/1/4/AAAgaZAAEsXq.jpg

Fucking lmao

If by "benefit their families" you mean "maybe keep them from being murdered for another day even though they'll still be beaten, raped, and probably sold off no matter what you do," sure.

adjl posted...

If by "benefit their families" you mean "maybe keep them from being murdered for another day even though they'll still be beaten, raped, and probably sold off no matter what you do," sure.

No no no, he means that slaves were considered part of their slave owner's "family". Now excuse me while I go burn this keyboard and my fingers off before that taint takes the rest of my arms.

Wait, you mean you *don't* force your family members to do backbreaking manual labour for you by threatening to torture them if they don't do a good enough job?

Side note: Watters looks just enough like Ross from Friends to make me do a double-take.

A look at newly approved supplemental education material in Florida
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slacker03150 posted...

A look at newly approved supplemental education material in Florida
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT88DeUg1/

There is actually no way this is real right

Ick Tok, no thanks

slacker03150 posted...

A look at newly approved supplemental education material in Florida
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT88DeUg1/

Prager U kids?

lmao is this a joke

DevilSummoner1 posted...

Prager U kids?

lmao is this a joke

We take jokes all the way to the top here

jesse watters has made the big time!

adjl posted...

Wait, you mean you *don't* force your family members to do backbreaking manual labour for you by threatening to torture them if they don't do a good enough job?

Why even have kids if not for extra hands on the farm that you don't need to pay til they turn 18?

AltOmega2 posted...

Ick Tok, no thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdF3jUA7nj4

ConfusedTorchic posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdF3jUA7nj4

jesus lawd have mercy. "white people were the first to formally put an end to slavery". yeah who the fuck else would? also why is that relevant to anything??

sodium-chloride posted...

jesus lawd have mercy. "white people were the first to formally put an end to slavery". yeah who the fuck else would? also why is that relevant to anything??

We, as exploiters, officially and lawfully put an end to exploitation now that we have everything... as we in turn never want to be exploited back

sodium-chloride posted...

jesus lawd have mercy. "white people were the first to formally put an end to slavery". yeah who the fuck else would? also why is that relevant to anything??

Wasn't slavery illegal in Haiti for like a century and they were isolated from the rest of the world as a result?

ConfusedTorchic posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdF3jUA7nj4

PragerU is unabashed white supremacy propaganda. Florida is a shithole because of Republicans.

sodium-chloride posted...

jesus lawd have mercy. "white people were the first to formally put an end to slavery". yeah who the fuck else would? also why is that relevant to anything??

I guess "teaching history should not cause white people to feel guilt for the sins their ancestors committed" doesn't extend to "teaching history should not cause white people to feel pride for the good things their ancestors accomplished." Of course, I'm not particularly surprised, because everything about this was always just thinly-veiled white supremacy.

Taharqa_ posted...

PragerU is unabashed white supremacy propaganda. Florida is a shithole because of Republicans.

I half wonder if they're trying to stop being a swing state by becoming so extremely and dangerously right-wing that anyone left-leaning flees and only right-wing voters remain. They've already started with the genocide of all trans people.

adjl posted...

Technically, if a guy reaches on to some train tracks to pick up a dime, but then trips and falls and a train runs over his legs, getting an extra dime is still a benefit he's gained from the whole situation. Saying "Look on the bright side, at least you found a dime!" probably isn't going to go over too well with the guy who's lapsing in and out of consciousness as the paramedics desperately try to slow the bleeding so he can actually live long enough to have a traumatic disability to overcome, but it's not technically wrong. It's just useless, insensitive, and does nothing to justify the overall situation. I believe that's what he was getting at.

If you bend over to pick up a dime, trip and fall, and a train runs over your legs, then you end up getting millions of dollars from the train company, the millions would be a benefit of having lost your legs in the accident, yeah?

If you bend over to pick up a dime, trip and fall, and a train runs over your legs, then you end up in the hospital where you meet someone you fall in love with, then that chance meeting being the result of the accident would be a benefit derived from the accident, yeah?

Edit: I'm alive today because two people met as a result of WW2. So you're going to tell me, given that my entire existence was contingent on WW2 happening, I didn't benefit from WW2?

GEKGanon posted...

If you bend over to pick up a dime, trip and fall, and a train runs over your legs, then you end up getting millions of dollars from the train company, the millions would be a benefit of having lost your legs in the accident, yeah?

If you bend over to pick up a dime, trip and fall, and a train runs over your legs, then you end up in the hospital where you meet someone you fall in love with, then that chance meeting being the result of the accident would be a benefit derived from the accident, yeah?

Edit: I'm alive today because two people met as a result of WW2. So you're going to tell me, given that my entire existence was contingent on WW2 happening, I didn't benefit from WW2?

dumb way to put it

ReturnOfFa posted...

dumb way to put it

No it isn't. There are upsides to bad shit, and downsides to good shit.

I benefit greatly from WW2 having happened. A German woman and a US soldier led to my existence. Do I not benefit from living? Tell me how I'm incorrect about WW2 benefitting me.

GEKGanon posted...

No it isn't. I benefit greatly from WW2 having happened. A German woman and a US soldier led to my existence. Do I not benefit from living? Tell me how I'm incorrect about WW2 benefitting me.

You were born due to circumstance, not necessarily due to WWII. You should be thankful for the circumstances of your parents meeting (chance), not for the entirety of WWII. Should we ask Geddy Lee, whose parents met in a concentration camp, if he believes WWII benefited him? Does he state this in his detailed interviews on the subject? No, because he is more intelligent than you.

ReturnOfFa posted...

You were born due to circumstance, not necessarily due to WWII. You should be thankful for the circumstances of your parents meeting (chance), not for the entirety of WWII.

It was my grandparents, and the circumstance for them meeting was a directly result of WW2.

ReturnOfFa posted...

You were born due to circumstance, not necessarily due to WWII. You should be thankful for the circumstances of your parents meeting (chance), not for the entirety of WWII. Should we ask Geddy Lee, whose parents met in a concentration camp, if he believes WWII benefited him? Does he state this in his detailed interviews on the subject? No, because he is more intelligent than you.

He doesn't seem more intelligent than me, if he doesn't understand his existence to be a benefit to him.

Edit: Everyone benefits from their own existence. So if you benefit from your own existence, how are the circumstances leading to your existence not beneficial to you? It doesn't make it a good situation for others, but it makes it beneficial to you.

GEKGanon posted...

He doesn't seem more intelligent than me, if he doesn't understand his existence to be a benefit to him.

Edit: Everyone benefits from their own existence. So if you benefit from your own existence, how are the circumstances leading to your existence not beneficial to you? It doesn't make it a good situation for those that had to endure it, but it makes it beneficial to you.

Ah yes, you're smarter than Geddy, got it.

What if your parents met without the circumstances of WWII? What if something else happened in the 30s and 40s that allowed a German woman and American man to meet and create you?

Also, if you weren't born, there wouldn't be any discussion on the benefits of your existence. You're not that important.

ReturnOfFa posted...

Ah yes, you're smarter than Geddy, got it.

What if your parents met without the circumstances of WWII? What if something else happened in the 30s and 40s that allowed a German woman and American man to meet and create you?

Then in that timeline, those circumstances would have benefitted me, just like how in the actual timeline, the circumstances that benefitted me were contingent on WW2.

ReturnOfFa posted...

Also, if you weren't born, there wouldn't be any discussion on the benefits of your existence. You're not that important.

None of us are important. We could destroy our entire solar system right now and the universe wouldn't wobble one iota.\

Edit: Indeed, if I wasn't born, there wouldn't be any discussion of my existence. So you can see how existing benefits me, at least in so far as holding this discussion is concerned.

GEKGanon posted...

Then in that timeline, those circumstances would have benefitted me, just like how in the actual timeline, the circumstances that benefitted me were contingent on WW2.

I would suggest that you benefited from their geological location.

ReturnOfFa posted...

I would suggest that you benefited from their geological location.

It was a number of factors. Those factors were facilitated by a major world event, that event being WW2.