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GranAures 08/01/23 2:34:48 PM #151: |
Good thing people have plenty of control over their ability to not rape children or spread/defend bigotry. Meanwhile, "culture" has no control over anybody and certainly not the ability to remove from them control over their own actions. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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McMarbles 08/01/23 2:39:33 PM #152: |
The_Apologist posted... Tell me why that's right.Because humans have free will. --- Currently playing: Stardew Valley (Switch) Never befriend a man in sandals and always measure twice, cut once. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 08/01/23 2:43:08 PM #153: |
GranAures posted... Good thing people have plenty of control over their ability to not rape children or spread/defend bigotry. Sometimes (and in some ways) they do, and sometimes they don't. The issue is complicated. GranAures posted... Meanwhile, "culture" has no control over anybody It has enormous control over people. Is it just a coincidence that people from the same culture tend to have the same customs, speak the same language, see the world the same way, etc? Did you choose to be an English speaker? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 08/01/23 2:44:04 PM #154: |
McMarbles posted... Because humans have free will. How do you know? And to what extent do they have free will? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranAures 08/01/23 2:45:35 PM #156: |
Speaking English is worlds apart from raping children, homelsice. But keep excusing being a shit person. But I guess you believe you don't have a choice. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PBusted 08/01/23 2:45:39 PM #157: |
The_Apologist posted... Because in general, people are the way they are as a result of their upbringing, cultural setting, life experiences, etc. And people have no control over those things. And it's wrong to blame people for things they have no control over. So you'd be an apologist for Nazis? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 08/01/23 2:48:50 PM #158: |
GranAures posted... Speaking English is worlds apart from raping children, homelsice. Answer the question, though: Is it just a coincidence that people from the same culture tend to have the same customs, speak the same language, see the world the same way, etc? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 08/01/23 2:51:13 PM #159: |
PBusted posted... So you'd be an apologist for Nazis? Like in all other cases of cultural upbringing, most Nazis probably weren't at fault for being Nazis. You would've been a Nazi if you'd been born into the culture, right? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranAures 08/01/23 2:51:26 PM #160: |
GranAures posted... Speaking English is worlds apart from raping children, homelsice. So now we have you trying to run and hide behind a deflection because you can't defend your own arguments of trying to equate being an English speaker to being a child rapist. You so badly want to remove agency from some really shit people. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 08/01/23 2:53:40 PM #161: |
GranAures posted... So now we have you trying to run and hide behind a deflection You mean that you're doing this, right? I asked you a question: Is it just a coincidence that people from the same culture tend to have the same customs, speak the same language, see the world the same way, etc? and you're refusing to answer it. It's obvious why, but still. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranAures 08/01/23 2:56:06 PM #162: |
The only obvious thing in this thread is you trying to defend child rapists and bigots by removing their agency over their own actions. Unlike you, though, we all know that you are choosing to do this instead of trying to absolve you of your actions by blaming an outside factor. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PBusted 08/01/23 2:56:26 PM #164: |
The_Apologist posted... Like in all other cases of cultural upbringing, most Nazis probably weren't at fault for being Nazis. You would've been a Nazi if you'd been born into the culture, right? No, because I'd be one of the millions of people who defied the Nazis inside Nazi Germany. At the very least, not actively help them. Your argument is exactly the type of arguments Nazi/rape apologists use though and it's not a valid defense in court despite how you much you clearly want it to be. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ironman2009 08/01/23 2:57:44 PM #165: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/2/7/AAfD0ZAAEj4H.jpg --- THRILLHO ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 08/01/23 2:58:25 PM #166: |
GranAures posted... The only obvious thing in this thread So you concede that culture has control over people. I'm satisfied with that. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 08/01/23 3:00:32 PM #167: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] It's generally true, yeah. Don't let the multicultural societies distract you. In monocultural societies, there's a high degree of uniformity in customs, language, worldview, and other things. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 08/01/23 3:02:42 PM #168: |
PBusted posted... No, because I'd be one of the millions of people who defied the Nazis inside Nazi Germany. Why do you think that? PBusted posted... Your argument is exactly the type of arguments Nazi/rape apologists use though It's the argument people use when they want to treat criminals with compassion instead of throwing the book at those who've been dealt a shitty hand in life. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranAures 08/01/23 3:03:34 PM #169: |
The_Apologist posted... I'm satisfied with that.And I'm satisfied with you conceding that you support the worst of the human condition and seek to remove their culpability of their own actions. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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McMarbles 08/01/23 3:04:10 PM #171: |
The_Apologist posted... Like in all other cases of cultural upbringing, most Nazis probably weren't at fault for being Nazis. You would've been a Nazi if you'd been born into the culture, right?No, I'd've been worked to death, then cremated. But gosh, they had NO FUCKING CHOICE, right? --- Currently playing: Stardew Valley (Switch) Never befriend a man in sandals and always measure twice, cut once. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 08/01/23 3:05:01 PM #172: |
GranAures posted... And I'm satisfied with you conceding that you support the worst of the human condition and seek to remove their culpability of their own actions. In a lot of cases, yes. This is usually the correct approach. And it doesn't detract in any way from the badness of those actions, to be clear. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 08/01/23 3:08:56 PM #173: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] No, not at all. And most monocultural societies haven't had different political parties, by the way. In any case, I'm sure you grant the underlying point: there's a lot of similarity among people within the same culture, and this is because culture is one of the fundamental forces that make people the way they are. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranAures 08/01/23 3:09:24 PM #174: |
We know. You hate holding people accountable for their shit. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 08/01/23 3:10:36 PM #175: |
GranAures posted... We know. You hate holding people accountable for their shit. I hate committing injustices against people, yeah. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranAures 08/01/23 3:11:27 PM #176: |
And you consider holding someone accountable for their actions an injustice. We know. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 08/01/23 3:12:51 PM #177: |
GranAures posted... And you consider holding someone accountable for their actions an injustice. Honesty test: In a hypothetical case where someone isn't accountable for something, would it be an injustice to hold that person accountable for that thing? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PBusted 08/01/23 3:16:01 PM #178: |
The_Apologist posted... Why do you think that? Because I have morals unlike you. By your logic, everyone has been dealt a shitty hand in life when we're all victims of culture. Ironically, the subject this discussion was originally about, the majority in power, have been dealt the best hands in life, and that's the people you're trying to prop up and defend while brushing off the voices of the ones who were dealt a shitty hand. Always the case with you sea lions. Although, you yourself seem perfectly fine with judging and talking down on people here who could "just be saying things beyond their control" too so it's clear you're just fronting in order to be an apologist for the people you relate with. Though it is fitting that you're just proving the stereotype that people who complain about misandry tend to be enablers with garbage takes that are detached from reality. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranAures 08/01/23 3:16:47 PM #179: |
Oh, is this the same kind of hypothetical as "what if getting an abortion required you to sacrifice a toddler?" You're really bad at hypotheticals, given you seem to love the kind that prove you are defending the exact thing everybody says you're defending. If they did not commit the action they are not accountable. If they did, they are. IE: If somebody raped a child, they are accountable/culpable of raping that child. If somebody peddles bigoted nonsense and gets called out and shamed, they are accountable/culpable for spreading that nonsense. If they didn't they should be able to prove it. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 08/01/23 3:23:57 PM #180: |
PBusted posted... Because I have morals unlike you. Where did they come from? Your upbringing? PBusted posted... By your logic, everyone has been dealt a shitty hand in life when we're all victims of culture. Yes, although some people may, if they're very lucky, have a hand that enables them to rise above their cultural programming. But that's probably rare. PBusted posted... Although, you yourself seem perfectly fine with judging and talking down on people here who could "just be saying things beyond their control" too I mean, I'm trying to persuade people. Is that what you mean? I think I have a moral obligation to attempt to do that, even if it's all futile. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 08/01/23 3:25:03 PM #181: |
GranAures posted... If they did not commit the action they are not accountable. If they did, they are. Suppose somebody does something because they were brainwashed into doing it. Should they be held accountable in that situation? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranAures 08/01/23 3:26:58 PM #182: |
GranAures posted... If they did not commit the action they are not accountable. If they did, they are. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Apologist 08/01/23 3:29:58 PM #183: |
Suppose somebody does something because they were brainwashed into doing it. Should they be held accountable in that situation? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranAures 08/01/23 3:33:16 PM #184: |
GranAures posted... If they did not commit the action they are not accountable. If they did, they are. You're free to keep trying to excuse and defend it though, tell everybody they're not in control of their own actions and it was really "culture" that made them do it. It only makes one person look worse. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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andel 08/01/23 3:36:55 PM #185: |
The_Apologist posted... Like in all other cases of cultural upbringing, most Nazis probably weren't at fault for being Nazis. You would've been a Nazi if you'd been born into the culture, right? absolutely not. the nazi party didn't represent the majority of people in germany and never even got a majority in any election or even a convincing plurality. you could make the argument that children of the era were indoctrinated and had less agency due to being children and only being allowed to consume propaganda, but adults absolutely were culpable for their own actions and you had soldiers and guards at concentration camps refusing to participate in murder/atrocities in some cases. --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Murphiroth 08/01/23 3:38:55 PM #186: |
User is not currently an active member. About time, what a nutjob. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PBusted 08/01/23 3:41:51 PM #187: |
The_Apologist posted... Where did they come from? Your upbringing? Not everything is upbringing. Kids rebel/reject their parent's teaching without outside influence all the time. Seems like you're someone that doesn't and want people to sympathize with you rather than just changing it. Again, you say all this stuff about humans not having free will yet you were perfectly fine with judging people negatively for talking down on you even though by your logic it's not their fault and can't be blamed. You've certainly very convincing of the very opposite of the points you're supporting. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranAures 08/01/23 3:45:50 PM #188: |
Well, I guess he can't defend it anymore, publicly. He sure won't take away that trying to equate being a native speaker of a language to being a bigot or raping children to claim that holding the latter accountable as an "injustice" as a bad idea though. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PBusted 08/01/23 3:51:27 PM #190: |
GranAures posted... Well, I guess he can't defend it anymore, publicly. He sure won't take away that trying to equate being a native speaker of a language to being a bigot or raping children to claim that holding the latter accountable as an "injustice" as a bad idea though. At the very least you get a tag from me as a pretty cool guy. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kradek 08/01/23 6:16:27 PM #191: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] That's how I feel when I wander into the pitbull topics. Posters who are normally respectful and chill will become the nastiest and most vile examples of humanity when someone tries to defend pits because they point out that not all pitbulls are viscous killers. --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrMallard 08/02/23 8:22:46 AM #192: |
I remember when Caution999 was just generally farting around the boards, weighing in on whatever took his fancy. Then someone leaked that he harboured a discord server where he defended and encouraged users to use the n-word, and not only did he go fucking nuclear, it ruined both his general reception among CE users and his generally affable demeanor. He went all in on being a shitposting troll. CE is one of those places where you can't really trust users at face value. Everyone has multiple faces, and most GameFAQs users have alts y'know. Sometimes you make a judgement call on a person and it ends up in the toilet - it happens, and you've gotta accept that and move on. Otherwise you're gonna spend way too much of your time second-guessing yourself. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrMallard 08/02/23 8:24:28 AM #193: |
Murphiroth posted... User is not currently an active member.Dude was literally named The_Apologist, why did anyone engage to begin with lmao ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zero_Destroyer 08/03/23 2:16:34 PM #194: |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyqxZxIBDoo
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