Current Events > EV owners in this State will now have to pay $200 tax/year. Guess which state.

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IceCreamOnStero posted...

The oil industry wants to prop up red herring solutions that don't address the real solutions. If you think you're a good little boy who's saving the environment by driving an EV, that means you won't be asking for the grid to be taken off fossil fuels, which is exactly what fossil fuel companies want. Its the same case with recycling. Its the same case with "carbon footprint".

EVs don't do jack shit for our dependancy on oil, they just create a middleman. The end result is the same.

EV adoption has increased AND the grid has been using less and less coal and natural gas bro

emblem-man posted...

EV adoption has increased AND the grid has been using less and less coal and natural gas bro

Sure let's ignore the all the gas those decades old machinery sucks up to mine lithium and all the petroleum we need to make the car parts.

ElMaton04 posted...

Sure let's ignore the all the gas those decades old machinery sucks up to mine lithium and all the petroleum we need to make the car parts.

Or we could acknowledge that the resources to make a car are way less then the resources used by using the car.

JE19426 posted...

It's way more coherent then your using less oil doesn't make us less depend on oil point.

Are you playing dumb? Yes, EVs don't use oil, instead they use electricity generated by an oil power plant. You really got me there!

emblem-man posted...

EV adoption has increased AND the grid has been using less and less coal and natural gas bro

Ok? Correlation isn't causation. Irrelevant point.

JE19426 posted...

Or we could acknowledge that the resources to make a car are way less then the resources used by using the car.

Its almost as if making and using cars is bad in general.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

Are you playing dumb? Yes, EVs don't use oil, instead they use electricity generated by an oil power plant. You really got me there!

Shit you got me yeah all those other power plants, magically don't provide any power to EV vehicles. Damn that's supposed to be a secret how'd you find out about that. /s

ElMaton04 posted...

Sure let's ignore the all the gas those decades old machinery sucks up to mine lithium and all the petroleum we need to make the car parts.

Good thing we're making yearly advances in battery technology and making better techniques to be able to reduce the amount of lithium and other hard to obtain minerals for battery technology..

Were_Wyrm posted...

That's about what they would have to pay a year in gas taxes, everyone paying attention knew this was coming.

yup, which is why this is totally fair. and i say this as a leftist with a strong desire to protect our climate.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

Ok? Correlation isn't causation. Irrelevant point.

Would you still have an issue if the grid was like 90% non fossil fuel? Or is your whole thing "cars are bad" and the actual power source doesn't matter

JE19426 posted...

Shit you got me yeah all those other power plants, magically don't provide any power to EV vehicles. Damn that's supposed to be a secret how'd you find out about that. /s

Given the majority of US electricity is still generated through fossil fuels...

emblem-man posted...

Would you still have an issue if the grid was like 90% non fossil fuel? Or is your whole thing "cars are bad" and the actual power source doesn't matter

My whole point is that taking grids off fossil fuels is the main goal, and that EVs accomplish nothing until that is achieved. Once nuclear powers the grid, then we can start caring about EVs. Until then, they're a red herring.

ElMaton04 posted...

Sure let's tax even more to the poor and the lower middle class who can't afford an EV at all.

why are the poor buying gas guzzlers, i.e. usually expensive big ass trucks and SUVs. Economy cars like the Civic and Corolla are not gas guzzlers.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

Given the majority of US electricity is still generated through fossil fuels...

Sure, but:

A) Oil is only one of those fossils fuels, and by far the smallest of them, and
B) Fossil fuels are becoming a smaller and smaller part of the US electricity.

It makes no sense for oil companies to try to convince people to change from ICE vehicle, to EVs.

You guys are all correct: EVs are worlds better than ICE vehicles and absolutely an insufficient solution to the problem of climate change, which will require building out our public and mass transit infrastructure so that people don't have to rely on personal cars. A future of electric SUVs simply will not cut it.

JE19426 posted...

Sure, but:

A) Oil is only one of those fossils fuels, and by far the smallest of them, and
B) Fossil fuels are becoming a smaller and smaller part of the US electricity.

It makes no sense for oil companies to try to convince people to change from ICE vehicle, to EVs.

If it gets people to focus on EVs instead of getting rid of fossil fuels in the power grid? It absolutely does. Just like a lot of fossil fuel red herrings. EVs, renewables, carbon footprints, none of these solve anything, but they do distract the public and make them think thwy're saving the environment

Intro2Logic posted...

You guys are all correct: EVs are worlds better than ICE vehicles and absolutely an insufficient solution to the problem of climate change, which will require building out our public and mass transit infrastructure so that people don't have to rely on personal cars. A future of electric SUVs simply will not cut it.

SUVs have their own laundry list of problems even besides their emissions

I was always under the impression that American coal and gas power plants produce less CO2 per unit of work than IC engines.

Intro2Logic posted...

You guys are all correct: EVs are worlds better than ICE vehicles and absolutely an insufficient solution to the problem of climate change, which will require building out our public and mass transit infrastructure so that people don't have to rely on personal cars. A future of electric SUVs simply will not cut it.

Agreed that EVs won't cut it. Sadly those things are decades long projects. Many cities are trying to build out transit infrastructure but it's a monumental change and that work is being currently done in most big cities is it not? Main change I'm aware of is in regards to zoning law changes to allow multifamily homes and quicker processing and building of public transportation. And just the regulatory aspect of those changes gets push back from people. We suck at building things because of too many veto spots in the design process. Too many people (for what they think are well intentioned reasons) slow down the zoning and building process, causing project costs to inflate wildly.

Honestly, state and federal govts should treat it as a real emergency, similar to what the PA governor did when they bridge recently fell, and be more forceful in fast tracking the building and permitting of what we need. Transmission lines, solar farms, nuclear plants, housing, etc.

But I wouldn't say any of that work is being negatively impacted by the EV and battery tech work that's currently being done.

mustachedmystic posted...

I was always under the impression that American coal and gas power plants produce less CO2 per unit of work than IC engines.

People are mainly around vehicles rather than around power plants. So reduced emissions from vehicles definitely helps people in regards to clean air

That state needs some high tax on junk food.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

If it gets people to focus on EVs instead of getting rid of fossil fuels in the power grid? It absolutely does.

Except it doesn't get people to focus on EVs, instead of getting rid of fossil fuels in the power grid. So again it makes absolutely no sense.

I guessed Alabama

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whitelytning posted...

Texas is a mess but this tax issue is something that states are going to have to address as EV use continues to grow.

This.
Honestly, I thought it was California (because they're trying to push the state to be EV, which is going to reduce significantly the tax revenue from gas)... so they'd be the first group of people to address the issue in the US.