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...officials say:

Three Marine lance corporals from Camp Lejeune found dead in a vehicle Sunday morning outside a North Carolina store died of carbon monoxide poisoning, officials said Wednesday.

Deputies found the bodies around 9 a.m. Sunday in the parking lot of a Hampstead convenience store, about one hour from the military training facility. The deputies were responding to a missing person report, the Pender County Sheriff's Office said. The office had received a phone call on Sunday morning from a woman who said her son, a Marine, had failed to arrive on a flight to Oklahoma the night before.

Later that morning, deputies found the body of the missing Marine, along with those of the two other Marines, inside the vehicle.

Autopsies performed Wednesday by the office of the North Carolina Medical Examiner revealed all the deaths were due to carbon monoxide poisoning, Pender County officials said. No further details about the circumstances of their deaths were given.

The men were identified by the U.S. Marine Corps Tuesday as Tanner J. Kaltenberg, 19, of Madison, Wisconsin; Merax C. Dockery, 23, of Pottawatomie, Oklahoma; and Ivan R. Garcia, 23, of Naples, Florida. All three were motor vehicle operators with Combat Logistics Battalion 2, Combat Logistics Regiment 2 and 2nd Marine Logistics Group. The vehicle they were in was privately owned.

Garcia had been on active duty the longest of the three, entering service in July 2019, officials said. Dockery entered active duty service in June 2020 and Kaltenberg entered active duty service in May 2021.

Garcia served in Parris Island, South Carolina; Camp Lejeune, North Carolina and Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri. His military awards include the National Defense Service Medal, Navy Meritorious Unit Commendation and the Global War on Terror Service Medal.

Kaltenberg served in San Diego and in Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri. His military awards include the National Defense Service Medal, Sea Service Deployment Medal, Navy Arctic Service Ribbon and the Global War on Terror Service Medal.

Dockery served in San Diego; Camp Pendleton, California and Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri. His military awards include the National Defense Service Medal, Navy Meritorious Unit Commendation and the Global War on Terror Service Medal.

"I am saddened by the timeless and tragic death of these three youg men, who served our country honorably. Our thoughts and prayers remain with their families and colleagues during this time," Pender County Sheriff Alan W. Cutler said.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/3-marines-dead-car-carbon-monoxide-poisoning-camp-lejeune-north-carolina-hampstead/

Triple suicide?

How bad does an exhaust leak have to be to kill you? I hadn't seen that before

so far, we don't know.

it hasn't been made public at least, if so.

This is part of the beginning of an episode of Breaking Bad.

BurmesePenguin posted...

Triple suicide?

Probably not. Guessing they wanted to take a nap with the AC on or something like that so they left the car running and the gas just pooled around them. Then they couldn't wake up.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Probably not. Guessing they wanted to take a nap with the AC on or something like that so they left the car running and the gas just pooled around them. Then they couldn't wake up.

Is this an actual danger with modern cars? I sometimes do day trips where it makes no sense to spend $100+ on a hotel for a few hours or sleep when I can just take a quick nap in a parking lot when I'm driving home at night.

Everything at camp lejeune wants to kill you

BowflexPeloton posted...

Is this an actual danger with modern cars? I sometimes do day trips where it makes no sense to spend $100+ on a hotel for a few hours or sleep when I can just take a quick nap in a parking lot when I'm driving home at night.

Yes. I used to do it too until I found out it could kill you. If there's a wind current you're probably going to be ok but I wouldn't take that risk anymore. Carbon monoxide is dangerous stuff. By the time you realize it's killing you it's too late and you just want to go to sleep.

Yea, probably an accident. If they were intentionally trying to kill themselves they probably would have tried it in an enclosed garage and/or ran a hose from the car exhaust to the interior of the car.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Probably not. Guessing they wanted to take a nap with the AC on or something like that so they left the car running and the gas just pooled around them. Then they couldn't wake up.

Unfortunately this type of thing happens more often than people think. IIRC it almost happened to Herschel Walker, except it was heat in winter.

regardless of how they died, it's really messed up, but it's especially scary to think that so many people are in danger of accidently dying like that.

Don't believe it was an accident unfortunately. RIP.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/3/8/AAHcjHAAEs7-.jpg

damn..

bump

Sheiky-Baby posted...

Don't believe it was an accident unfortunately. RIP.

Whats your reasoning? I dont believe you have any.

Knowing how unexpected carbon monoxide poisoning is, it's highly likely it was an accident.

Skankhair posted...

Whats your reasoning? I dont believe you have any.

The military teaches people to be mean or crazy.

Some folks isn't cut out for it.

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

The military teaches people to be mean or crazy.

Some folks isn't cut out for it.

What does that have to do with this story?

BowflexPeloton posted...

Is this an actual danger with modern cars? I sometimes do day trips where it makes no sense to spend $100+ on a hotel for a few hours or sleep when I can just take a quick nap in a parking lot when I'm driving home at night.

You should absolutely never sleep in a running car. A number of things could happen.

Maybe Im dumb but whats the difference between chilling in a running car for an extended period and driving a road trip? Wouldnt that be equally dangerous?

I've slept in a running car countless times I just thought that it would be only dangerous in a closed environment like a parking garage

HudGard posted...

Maybe Im dumb but whats the difference between chilling in a running car for an extended period and driving a road trip? Wouldnt that be equally dangerous?

On a road trip, the car is moving, and even if the windows are up, some amount of air is circulating through it. In a parked position, it may not be, and if there's no wind to blow the CO away, it can build up around the car.

Try watching someone blow a big vape cloud while moving, vs standing still in wind, vs standing still in still air. Similar physics, but vape is visible. Not 100% identical of course but you should get a general idea of it from this.

HudGard posted...

Maybe Im dumb but whats the difference between chilling in a running car for an extended period and driving a road trip? Wouldnt that be equally dangerous?

On a road trip you tend to be moving

Its the sitting still for long periods part thats the problem.

Skankhair posted...

What does that have to do with this story?

Were they clipped off, was it accidental, or was it because they was like "fuck it all".

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

Were they clipped off, was it accidental, or was it because they was like "fuck it all".

Based on the facts it obviously looks accidental.

BowflexPeloton posted...

Is this an actual danger with modern cars? I sometimes do day trips where it makes no sense to spend $100+ on a hotel for a few hours or sleep when I can just take a quick nap in a parking lot when I'm driving home at night.

I make sure my engine is off and a little bit of the window is open even though it was like winter when I needed a nap.

so were they hotboxing a car in a store parking lot or something? I used to sit in my car with it running for 30-45 mins at a time on my breaks and even slept on 2 hour breaks and never passed out, and my old car's exhaust was so bad I had to have the entire system replaced.

even if you have an exhaust leak if it's outside shouldn't it just dissipate? unless using the A/C causes it go into the vehicle

thronedfire2 posted...

even if you have an exhaust leak if it's outside shouldn't it just dissipate?

Not if there is little to no wind. People die this way.

thronedfire2 posted...

so were they hotboxing a car in a store parking lot or something? I used to sit in my car with it running for 30-45 mins at a time on my breaks and even slept on 2 hour breaks and never passed out, and my old car's exhaust was so bad I had to have the entire system replaced.

even if you have an exhaust leak if it's outside shouldn't it just dissipate? unless using the A/C causes it go into the vehicle

Depends if its windy or not.

Skankhair posted...

Based on the facts it obviously looks accidental.

If they were military wouldn't they already know not to do it?

Or do they not teach military folks about carbon monoxide poisoning?

Whatever common sense you bring into the military, you're not going to learn anything additional.

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

If they were military wouldn't they already know not to do it?

Or do they not teach military folks about carbon monoxide poisoning?

it says all three were motor vehicle operators in the military so they especially should know not to do this

This reminds me of a story where carbon dioxide basically erupted from the bottom of a lake and took out a whole town

https://youtu.be/5OScMOxLcuY
(After polar bear story)

Fucking terrifying

I recall a few people killed or a family because they were rooming at a Hotel above the carport several years ago?

thronedfire2 posted...

it says all three were motor vehicle operators in the military so they especially should know not to do this

I understand in high snow areas some people keep exhaust hoses on hand in their car.

If you're trapped or stranded you can hook the hose up to the muffler and run the car in deep snow.

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

I understand in high snow areas some people keep exhaust hoses on hand in their car.

If you're trapped or stranded you can hook the hose up to the muffler and run the car in deep snow.

I was always taught to shovel the snow away from the exhaust pipe before starting it

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

I recall a few people killed or a family because they were rooming at a Hotel above the carport several years ago?

Sounds familiar. I can picture the carport.

thronedfire2 posted...

I was always taught to shovel the snow away from the exhaust pipe before starting it

I mean like if it snows like 4' ft.

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

I mean like if it snows like 4' ft.

yeah even when it snows 2+ feet I always cleared a spot around my exhaust pipe before starting my car to defrost it

Being in an immobile running car vs. mobile is a big difference. If you're moving, the carbon monoxide dissipates, whereas if you're immobile, it can collect around you, especially if there's no wind. It doesn't require being buried in snow or anything. This is a fact that appears to escape a large amount of people.

EDIT: If you're awake, that's one thing, as you're likely to notice that it is becoming harder to breathe, and so on. When you're sleeping, it's a different matter all together.

Rip

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

If they were military wouldn't they already know not to do it?

Its very possible they didnt know, and its very possible they didnt care. People do things theyre told is dangerous. Doesnt make it intentional suicide.

thronedfire2 posted...

yeah even when it snows 2+ feet I always cleared a spot around my exhaust pipe before starting my car to defrost it

I just heard that to keep a hose long enough to reach "at the least" the trunk lid of the car.

Probably better the roof.

thronedfire2 posted...

it says all three were motor vehicle operators in the military so they especially should know not to do this

As the Army equivalent of the 'motor vehicle operator'

They don't teach you specifically not to do it

but don't worry we'll probably all get beat over the head with this to not sleep in a running car <_<

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

I recall a few people killed or a family because they were rooming at a Hotel above the carport several years ago?

I've never heard about this.

I had a high school teacher who told the class about a woman he knew who died tragically.

Her son committed suicide by turning the car on in the garage, but the air conditioning unit pulled the fumes into the house and killed her in her sleep as well.

Revelation34 posted...

I've never heard about this.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342132/5-teens-dead-car-carbon-monoxide-poisoning-Florida-motel-room.html