Current Events > Guy interviewed people at a Trump rally. The responses he got were surprising

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I will never vote Trump. I think these people voting Trump thinking he will do anything about these issues are just delusional. The response to the actual issues that were brought up though was interesting. A decent amount of responses was something I expect Democrats to say. Not Republicans. It looks like the American people agree on issues a lot more than what we think.

The video is 11 minutes and was quite interesting if you want to check it out.

https://youtu.be/zCyZHB7NdPE

That lady in the thumbnail looks cold...

DepreceV2 posted...

It looks like the American people agree on issues a lot more than what we think.

This is not surprising necessarily.

Ideas like universal healthcare and workers rights and taxing the rich more are not really partisan beliefs.

It's the propaganda that conservatives run against those concepts and attaching a poisonous name or trait to them that makes it so the layman thinks it's toxic.

Calling it "Obamacare" still or conservative media's never ending crusade to label anything that could be perceived as helping working class people "welfare", or just the stigmatization of the word "socialism" in general.

When stripped of those titles and just explained in depth most people will agree.

I had a super "pro-gun" guy explain to me how we needed background checks, mental health resources, and waiting periods on gun purchases, as a matter of common sense.

i told him I agree completely but that was NOT a "pro-gun" stance, according to the NRA. they would condemn his common sense solutions.

he had no idea that his personal thoughts on guns were basically the DNC minus assault rifle ban. he really was living in a reality in which he thought there were politicians talking about banning all guns or confiscating or anything.

he was "pro-gun" i was "anti-gun" and yet we literally had the same opinion on policy.

even with abortion, most of those people would concede that 12-weeks of gestation does not a human make. they think doctors are just shop-vacuuming babies left and right. if they saw the actual tissue, something that looks like 1/10 of an egg white, I don't think they would have a problem with it.

no one believes "life begins at conception" even if they say they do, they don't think IVF is some maniacal horror show--more likely they view it as a miracle and gift from God that science can help people make babies.

only completely rapid evangelicals would tell you otherwise if you told someone you used IVF to get pregnant. that's if they even knew what it was.

Robot2600 posted...

no one believes "life begins at conception" even if they say they do

Except for, you know, doctors and scientists and anybody else who doesnt embrace anti-science arguments to spite pro-life people.

Tenlaar posted...

Except for, you know, doctors and scientists and anybody else who doesnt embrace anti-science arguments to spite pro-life people.

Oh look. Tenlaar is speaking for large groups of people again. Nevermind the fact that he's likely wrong.

Robot2600 posted...

only completely rapid evangelicals would tell you otherwise if you told someone you used IVF to get pregnant. that's if they even knew what it was.

That's more a Catholic thing than Evangelical, iirc.

Conservatives let their hate and greed take over every time even when they know things are bad.

Not really surprising. Most people understand what naked corruption looks like. Most people understand what an unfair system looks like. That's not the problem. It's just somewhere along the lines their lizard brain portion of thinking gets their wires mixed from the decades of right wing propaganda that's been shoveled into their faces and they start doing weird fucked up math to come to answers to questions that aren't being asked on the test.

Evillink2000 posted...

Oh look. Tenlaar is speaking for large groups of people again. Nevermind the fact that he's likely wrong.

I am not wrong. The moment of conception is very literally the starting point of the life cycle of a human being. This is not something up for debate and trying to say otherwise is science denial.

Robot2600 posted...

no one believes "life begins at conception" even if they say they do

Evillink2000 posted...

Oh look. Tenlaar is speaking for large groups of people again. Nevermind the fact that he's likely wrong.

So you just dont read longer posts? Genius response, telling someone not to speak for others because YOURE ALREADY DOING THAT. Smoove.

Pro lifers dont have to be lying to be in the wrong. That's a pathetic argument against people, not policy.

DepreceV2 posted...

I will never vote Trump. I think these people voting Trump thinking he will do anything about these issues are just delusional. The response to the actual issues that were brought up though was interesting. A decent amount of responses was something I expect Democrats to say. Not Republicans. It looks like the American people agree on issues a lot more than what we think

The main difference comes in how they expect to get there. For example, their route to increased wages is by blowing the rich financially and willingly subjugating ourselves as their slave wages in the hopes that eventually they'll blow their generosity all over our face, whereas the Dem solution is to make it where the wealthy can't get out of paying people decently or supporting worker rights.

Tenlaar posted...

I am not wrong. The moment of conception is very literally the starting point of the life cycle of a human being. This is not something up for debate and trying to say otherwise is science denial.

Do you have a link to this "definitive science fact"?

Most people are a lot more moderate than you think. As long as the trains run on time and taxes don't go up most people don't even think about politics regularly. The media and internet just likes to take "hot button issues" and create a combative narrative. Then an outspoken minority of smooth brains create their own political war fed by the news cycle.

DepreceV2 posted...

I will never vote Trump. I think these people voting Trump thinking he will do anything about these issues are just delusional. The response to the actual issues that were brought up though was interesting. A decent amount of responses was something I expect Democrats to say. Not Republicans. It looks like the American people agree on issues a lot more than what we think.

The video is 11 minutes and was quite interesting if you want to check it out.

https://youtu.be/zCyZHB7NdPE

Its almost like theyre in it for the racism and such.

But that cant be right, can it?

Tenlaar posted...

I am not wrong. The moment of conception is very literally the starting point of the life cycle of a human being. This is not something up for debate and trying to say otherwise is science denial.

Is it a person at conception? Because that's the actual argument being had about human life

specialkid8 posted...

Most people are a lot more moderate than you think. As long as the trains run on time and taxes don't go up most people don't even think about politics regularly. The media and internet just likes to take "hot button issues" and create a combative narrative. Then an outspoken minority of smooth brains create their own political war fed by the news cycle.

That's a yikes from me dawg.

On topic, the American people are pretty united on most economic issues and still fairly united on most social issues. This is why you see what happened in Ohio, where they actively tried to remove some of the power that the people had.

sorry but this sounds like a video specifically curated to make them seem moderate.

i don't want to watch it because i'm sure i'll have other youtube videos coming down trying to suggest the same thing.

reincarnator07 posted...

Is it a person at conception? Because that's the actual argument being had about human life

How are you defining person in this question?

Ruvan22 posted...

Do you have a link to this "definitive science fact"?

I mean, he's not TECHNICALLY wrong, it's just a "definitive science fact" that "life begins at conception" has a very specific connotation to it when an overwhelming majority of people say it. When it's said, most people are referring to person-hood and then ascribing rights and morals and ethics and all that jazz to the "person that began at conception."

Heineken14 posted...

I mean, he's not TECHNICALLY wrong, it's just a "definitive science fact" that "life begins at conception" has a very specific connotation to it when an overwhelming majority of people say it. When it's said, most people are referring to person-hood and then ascribing rights and morals and ethics and all that jazz to the "person that began at conception."

Correct, people on the right often use conception as the point where legal personhood should apply. Its just a pet peeve of mine when pro-choice people knee jerk respond to their life begins at conception by saying it doesnt. Yes, it does; acknowledging that doesnt mean you also have to agree with pro-lifers on the issue of personhood.

Tenlaar posted...

How are you defining person in this question?

Possessing the property of personhood. Going by your response to Heineken, you are aware of this.

specialkid8 posted...

Most people are a lot more moderate than you think. As long as the trains run on time and taxes don't go up most people don't even think about politics regularly. The media and internet just likes to take "hot button issues" and create a combative narrative. Then an outspoken minority of smooth brains create their own political war fed by the news cycle.

lets be honest here though you can only say that cause youre probably a heterosexual white male.

while youre not completely wrong things arent so cut and dry for the groups having their actual rights restricted.

Evillink2000 posted...

Oh look. Tenlaar is speaking for large groups of people again. Nevermind the fact that he's likely wrong.

I am so happy I owned him so much on 261 he blocked me. What a beautiful thing.

I insisted all along that Bernie had the perfect message to utterly DESTROY Trump and Republicans, it was just from a "poor messenger", because being a self-avowed "socialist" is an auto-no for like 40% of the country and the vast majority of the right, the word is just poisoned.
If a younger, charismatic Dem that avoided those labels and just stuck to the Class Warfare* messaging and none of the intersectionalist crap, that person would fucking obliterate Republicans.

* Yes, actual anti-rich legislation. We already have class warfare, it's just been totally one-sided against the poor and middle class for 50 years

Bass posted...

That's more a Catholic thing than Evangelical, iirc.

As a person who grew up Southern Baptist in a small town, it greatly depends which sect of Evangelicals you are talking to and which political party they closely align themselves with. Southern Baptists are funny in that we don't outright condemn contraception's, but do believe life starts at conception. It's not something that gets talked about loudly because of this cognitive dissonance.

Robot2600 posted...

I had a super "pro-gun" guy explain to me how we needed background checks, mental health resources, and waiting periods on gun purchases, as a matter of common sense.

i told him I agree completely but that was NOT a "pro-gun" stance, according to the NRA. they would condemn his common sense solutions.

he had no idea that his personal thoughts on guns were basically the DNC minus assault rifle ban. he really was living in a reality in which he thought there were politicians talking about banning all guns or confiscating or anything.

he was "pro-gun" i was "anti-gun" and yet we literally had the same opinion on policy.

even with abortion, most of those people would concede that 12-weeks of gestation does not a human make. they think doctors are just shop-vacuuming babies left and right. if they saw the actual tissue, something that looks like 1/10 of an egg white, I don't think they would have a problem with it.

no one believes "life begins at conception" even if they say they do, they don't think IVF is some maniacal horror show--more likely they view it as a miracle and gift from God that science can help people make babies.

only completely rapid evangelicals would tell you otherwise if you told someone you used IVF to get pregnant. that's if they even knew what it was.

Man if the democrats explained gun control better, but then again would it matter since the right are too brainwashed and will never listen...

None of that surprises me. It'd mostly surprise partisans and people who haven't done very much research.

There's a big divide between say a Bush Republican and a Trump Republican.

Thinks would probably be a lot better if we weren't so wired to form in-groups and out-groups.

LightHawKnight posted...

Man if the democrats explained gun control better, but then again would it matter since the right are too brainwashed and will never listen...

I lean very, very far left and I'll always stay firm in my belief that one of the biggest issues plaguing Democrats is not understanding optics in the slightest and not using proper optics to better convey progressive policies and ideals.

CRON posted...

I lean very, very far left and I'll always stay firm in my belief that one of the biggest issues plaguing Democrats is not understanding optics in the slightest and not using proper optics to better convey progressive policies and ideals.

I just really dont get it. Was most of my life center right and now center left, but vote entirely blue cause fuck republicans. I just dont get why Democrats or hell Independents have such bad messaging. I mean get they are actually doing their jobs and dont have the time to constantly go on tv or other venues day in and day out, but letting the republicans control the narrative is just plain stupid.

Dems are objectively awful at messaging and I really don't understand why.

Most of the country is somewhere between bush era republican and bernie when you get all the propaganda out of their systems. There's so many examples, Dem policies tend to be majority favored when they're actually clearly explained to people, but people have been conditioned for multiple generations, so your average person usually is completely ignorant (at best) and doesn't know better, or they're actively misinformed (like the study where FOX viewers were, on average, LESS politically informed than people who didn't watch that kind of thing at all).

This is really only surprising if you get all your political views from CE.

Most Republican voters arent villains living in hollowed out volcanos.

electricbugs2 posted...

This is really only surprising if you get all your political views from CE.

Most Republican voters arent villains living in hollowed out volcanos.

Yet they vote for such people for some reason.

KajeI posted...

Dems are objectively awful at messaging and I really don't understand why.

Combination of it being hard to message actual policy to the masses in digestible ways and that Democrats don't have a network of media propaganda meisters like the right do.

LightHawKnight posted...

Yet they vote for such people for some reason.

"Some reason" being generations worth of constant propaganda and misinformation of course.

If there's one thing that talking with "moderates" and conservatives has taught me it's that they're some of the most genuinely ignorant motherfuckers I've come across. They don't understand jack nor shit, it's truly incredible.

LightHawKnight posted...

Man if the democrats explained gun control better, but then again would it matter since the right are too brainwashed and will never listen...

The right has a talent though of taking a position or movement , changing it's meaning, getting angry at the new definition they invented, and now putting the left on defense

Look at what they did with the phrase "Black Lives Matter" or "Woke".

KajeI posted...

Dems are objectively awful at messaging and I really don't understand why.

Most of the country is somewhere between bush era republican and bernie when you get all the propaganda out of their systems. There's so many examples, Dem policies tend to be majority favored when they're actually clearly explained to people, but people have been conditioned for multiple generations, so your average person usually is completely ignorant (at best) and doesn't know better, or they're actively misinformed (like the study where FOX viewers were, on average, LESS politically informed than people who didn't watch that kind of thing at all).

While it is true that Dems need to get way better at messaging, the bigger problem is that people aren't hearing about Democrat positions from Democrats, they're hearing about them from Republicans or from media that is at best incredibly biased towards "neutrality" (which is not the same as actually being objective) and at worst even farther right than most elected Republicans.

Tenlaar posted...

Correct, people on the right often use conception as the point where legal personhood should apply. Its just a pet peeve of mine when pro-choice people knee jerk respond to their life begins at conception by saying it doesnt. Yes, it does; acknowledging that doesnt mean you also have to agree with pro-lifers on the issue of personhood.

This is pretty much correct. Life does begin at conception, but human life at the zygotic stage is not some precious thing that deserves protection. A lot of these pro-life people are only pro-life because they believe in some supernatural quality of humans, like the soul, (which doesn't exist).

Reminds me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7VaXlMvAvk

itcheyness posted...

That lady in the thumbnail looks cold...

She could use some global warming.

Bump

Tenlaar posted...

Except for, you know, doctors and scientists and anybody else who doesnt embrace anti-science arguments to spite pro-life people.

Shut the fuck up and fuck off sealion

Tenlaar posted...

I am not wrong. The moment of conception is very literally the starting point of the life cycle of a human being. This is not something up for debate and trying to say otherwise is science denial.

Shut up.

No.

Tenlaar posted...

Correct, people on the right often use conception as the point where legal personhood should apply. Its just a pet peeve of mine when pro-choice people knee jerk respond to their life begins at conception by saying it doesnt. Yes, it does; acknowledging that doesnt mean you also have to agree with pro-lifers on the issue of personhood.

Is it also a pet peeve of yours that people on the right conflate life and personhood?

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Ruvan22 posted...

Is it also a pet peeve of yours that people on the right conflate life and personhood?

No, that is a much more serious issue than just a pet peeve. Weird and pointless thing to bump a days old topic for.

Tenlaar posted...

No, that is a much more serious issue than just a pet peeve. Weird and pointless thing to bump a days old topic for.

Strange I've never seen you criticize that here on CE (though entirely possible I missed posts where you did). The topic's last post was yesterday and I bumped because (once again) you bring up something that deflects/minimizes a left POV (the technical life begins at conception).