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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
08/22/23 8:17:37 AM
#51:


Lvaneede posted...
This is in Australia and it was $200 for half an hour.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/1/3/AAdVIJAAExfx.jpg

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Requiem
08/22/23 8:21:34 AM
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steve_madsci posted...
This is completely true. Destigmatizing prostitution invariably increases demand more than supply and crime will always fill the vacuum.

Also, prostitution shouldn't be legalized in a country with poor worker protections like the US. Las Vegas has the highest rate of unregistered prostitution in the country despite it being legal in Nevada because the regulations do little to protect sex laborers and are mostly written to protect the businesses that exploit them.

The best course of action in the US is to decriminalize prostitutution while continuing to prosecute patrons and pimps. That and Universal Healthcare

To be fair, prostitution is illegal in Las Vegas, I believe.

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DanHaren4Ringz
08/22/23 9:32:09 AM
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Yes.

And if it was legalized, it would be much safer for them to connect with clients. Imagine how many apps will pop up with safe exchange of money through the app.
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bigtiggie23
08/22/23 10:30:25 AM
#54:


Requiem posted...
To be fair, prostitution is illegal in Las Vegas, I believe.
The whole "prostitution is legal in Nevada" thing is a bit misleading. It's only legal in a few rural counties, quite a distance away from the big populated areas like Vegas, Reno, and Tahoe.

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Ultima_Fury
08/25/23 1:36:47 AM
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bigtiggie23 posted...
I live about a half hour from the Bunny Ranch, and the other brothels in that area. The area is called Mound House it's right outside Carson City and has several brothels and a strip club. If you want the full service from one of those establishments you should have at least $1000 to play with. You may get a show and possibly a handy for cheaper.

Might take me a bit to save $1000. I'm sure it will be worth it.
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luigi33
08/25/23 2:04:04 AM
#56:


hexa posted...
yes


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Tenlaar
08/25/23 2:12:54 AM
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I dont think the benefits of legalized prostitution outweigh the negative of creating more victims.
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Ricemills
08/25/23 2:14:04 AM
#58:


Yes.
Give them social security too.

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luigi33
08/25/23 2:16:06 AM
#59:


Tenlaar posted...
I dont think the benefits of legalized prostitution outweigh the negative of creating more victims.
How would it create more victims in a safe, sanctioned place vs. out in some dark alleyway?

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Tenlaar
08/25/23 2:24:00 AM
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luigi33 posted...
How would it create more victims in a safe, sanctioned place vs. out in some dark alleyway?
Legalizing prostitution creates a larger increase in demand than is filled by willing sex workers leading to a gap in the market that is filled illegally through increased sex trafficking.
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Tenlaar
08/25/23 2:31:55 AM
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What I said isnt a theory, it is what all currently available evidence shows in regard to legalizing prostitution.
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dioxxys
08/25/23 3:34:02 AM
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I mean it just makes practical sense doesn't it? If something is illegal not that many people are going to attempt to get it, If it becomes legal the people that were being held back by being law-abiding citizens of a sudden become new customers. This is applicable to just about anything that is made legal.
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Kradek
08/25/23 4:36:55 AM
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Yes

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Tom_Joad
08/25/23 6:40:45 AM
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Yes.


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DnDer
08/25/23 9:02:45 AM
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I doubt you'll ever see it, at this rate.

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asdf8562
08/25/23 9:03:53 AM
#69:


Priere posted...
Why regulate it?

All that would do is hurt current prostitutes that are forced to work the streets.
Exploitation?
Abuse?
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bigtiggie23
08/25/23 9:22:02 AM
#72:


ScazarMeltex posted...
The way it works is that any county under a certain population can vote as to whether or not they want it to be legal in their county.
I live in the most Puritan, ultra-right county in Nevada. No adult entertainment venues, not even weed dispensaries are allowed even though they are legal in most of the state (which to be honest as someone who doesn't partake I find kinda amusing).

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TheShadowViper
08/25/23 9:34:27 AM
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The problem is a lot more complicated than most pro/against advocates would have you think.

One of the chief issues is those most ready to jump into legalized prostitution are exactly the sort you don't want being in the forefront. These people often have illegal enterprises beyond prostitution, giving them legitimate business where the supply is often vulnerable men and women is not exactly looking for a good outcome.

Think Littlefinger from GOT, those type of people will use the legitimized business to fund supply for illegal businesses - such as human trafficking and sexual exploitation of minors. Just because you legalize prostitution does not mean the seedier elements disappear nor does it even guarantee they will be mitigated.

This is one of those things that would need the implementation to not be shit, and I don't think many places in the US are capable of doing that at the moment.
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Tenlaar
08/25/23 10:48:39 AM
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Given how frequently this has been discussed here and on 261 before I honestly find it hard to believe you guys havent seen this brought up before.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305750X12001453

Summary
This paper investigates the impact of legalized prostitution on human trafficking inflows. According to economic theory, there are two opposing effects of unknown magnitude. The scale effect of legalized prostitution leads to an expansion of the prostitution market, increasing human trafficking, while the substitution effect reduces demand for trafficked women as legal prostitutes are favored over trafficked ones. Our empirical analysis for a cross-section of up to 150 countries shows that the scale effect dominates the substitution effect. On average, countries where prostitution is legal experience larger reported human trafficking inflows.

https://endsexualexploitation.org/articles/eu-report-legalized-prostitution-higher-rates-of-trafficking/

Member States that adopt a legalized approach to prostitution, both regulated and unregulated, have vastly higher rates of prostitution and sex trafficking.

Germanys prostitution rate is between 30 and 40 times that of Sweden.

In the Netherlands trafficking still thrives behind the faade of a legalised prostitution sector.

In contrast, the Nordic Model has reduced the extent of human trafficking in Norwayand Sweden and the rates of men who buy sex are significantly lower.
This makes countries who take this approach much less viable for prostitution and sex trafficking and related organized crime. This report concludes that on average the level of (identified) sex trafficking is much higher under a legalization model than under a prohibition one.
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Plumeofdusk
08/25/23 10:53:44 AM
#76:


No, I'd rather we reform society to have UBI or social safety nets instead, so people don't have to sell their bodies to survive. :v I know people try to say it's empowering nowadays, but most women in prostitution (like, literal on the street prostitution) say they don't want to do it but feel forced to by economic realities. It's a sad situation.

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Xatrion
08/25/23 10:56:34 AM
#77:


Legalize and regulate. End the silly sex stigma perpetuated by cultists.

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Pikachuchupika
08/25/23 10:57:38 AM
#78:


Yes, sex work is real work.
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Skankhair
08/25/23 10:59:21 AM
#79:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
Legalised prostitution increases sex trafficking

False.

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Returning_CEmen
08/25/23 11:13:22 AM
#81:


Yes

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ShaneMcComez
08/25/23 11:25:01 AM
#82:


Ultima_Fury posted...
Ive been thinking about going to a brothel in Nevada, either near Las Vegas or Reno. Gotta rent a car to get there though. How crazy expensive are they? Like how much per hour? Also, do you tip them as well?
Last time I visited it was $3,500 dollars per hour. It's probably not worth it going to one of those places unless your wealthy.
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Naysaspace
08/25/23 11:27:08 AM
#83:


Legalize herpes and hpv!
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Tenlaar
08/25/23 12:38:22 PM
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Thats not true. Sweden, Germany and Denmark changed their prostitution laws between 1996 and 2003, and the results of those changes are included in the study and factored into the conclusion. Though only Germany really had enough data before and after to be reviewed on its own.
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DnDer
08/25/23 12:43:29 PM
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I also wonder if/how they take into account how much tracking was being done before legalization. After all, you don't normally track trafficking vs legalized rates if you don't have legalization.

EDIT: realizing this sounds like I'm just repeating you, your example shows a comparison of both stats once legalization is established, and I'm wondering how they account for increases and decreases before the documenting that comes with regulation occurred.

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Ultima_Fury
08/26/23 6:24:18 PM
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Trumble
08/26/23 6:34:54 PM
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It's been legal here since the 00's and while it hasn't eliminated trafficking or abuse, it's definitely helped cut down on it. The only time I've even known a brothel existed was way back when I did pizza delivery and had an order to one; they're pretty discreet. There's been a couple of cases in the news about antisocial behavior centered around them, but if it's been one or two cases out of dozens if not hundreds of brothels, I don't really think we can say that's any bigger of a problem than what happens when it's illegal.

There really isn't any downside to legalizing it, other than boomers getting upset (and it's very debatable whether that's actually a downside).

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Daremo
08/26/23 7:02:46 PM
#90:


I'm theoretically pro legalization, but carefully, examining what other countries have done, what's gone right and what has gone wrong.

No need to leap blindly, we have a pool of examples to learn from, and glean the most pragmatic approach.


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Tenlaar
08/27/23 1:31:49 PM
#91:


Trumble posted...
It's been legal here since the 00's and while it hasn't eliminated trafficking or abuse, it's definitely helped cut down on it.
Source?

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Priere
08/27/23 1:42:38 PM
#93:


asdf8562 posted...
Exploitation?
Abuse?
The ones that cant get hired in to a legal whore house will still be in the exact same boat they are in now, only with less income.

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asdf8562
08/27/23 2:55:22 PM
#94:


Trumble posted...
There really isn't any downside to legalizing it, other than boomers getting upset (and it's very debatable whether that's actually a downside).
This is just disingenuous to say.

Whether you support it or not, some legitimate downsides have been voiced and it has nothing to do with boomers.
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asdf8562
08/27/23 2:56:21 PM
#95:


Priere posted...
The ones that cant get hired in to a legal whore house will still be in the exact same boat they are in now, only with less income.
Your argument sounds like gun nuts who want no gun control/regulations.

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Priere
08/27/23 3:31:58 PM
#96:


asdf8562 posted...
Your argument sounds like gun nuts who want no gun control/regulations.

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Prove me wrong

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asdf8562
08/27/23 3:33:03 PM
#97:


Priere posted...
Prove me wrong
There's nothing to prove. The stance itself is dumb. It's the same as those who argue what's the point of sensible gun control.

"WhY ReGuLaTe, CrImiNaLs WiLl BrEaK the LaWs EiThEr WaY" is not a serious argument.
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Priere
08/27/23 3:34:07 PM
#98:


asdf8562 posted...
There's nothing to prove, it's a dumb stance same as those who argue what's the point of sensible gun control.
I'm not talking about guns. Stop changing the subject.

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asdf8562
08/27/23 3:35:04 PM
#99:


Priere posted...
I'm not talking about guns. Stop changing the subject.
There's nothing to prove. The stance itself is dumb. It's the same as those who argue what's the point of sensible gun control.

"WhY ReGuLaTe, CrImiNaLs WiLl BrEaK the LaWs EiThEr WaY" is not a serious argument.

I don't care if you are talking about guns, prostitution, whatever.
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Priere
08/27/23 3:38:07 PM
#100:


asdf8562 posted...
There's nothing to prove. The stance itself is dumb. It's the same as those who argue what's the point of sensible gun control.

"WhY ReGuLaTe, CrImiNaLs WiLl BrEaK the LaWs EiThEr WaY" is not a serious argument.
What are you talking about? What you are saying sounds like the gun argument.

Use your brain and think about it. If legal prostitutes were an option, much less money would be going to unregulated ladies of the evening.

Its not a hard concept.

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