Current Events > New Yorkers are protesting against migrants

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Long island is probably one of the most hostile places I've lived towards hispanic immigrants.

Of course this is being led by Nicole Malliotakis and Curtis Sliwa who both failed to become NYC's Mayor

andel posted...

you were using blatant gop propaganda talking points and got called out and closed your topic instead of responding

I was going to make a new topic where I sited everything I stated. But the mods said that was trolling. In this very topic ppl have shown democrats in New York and black people in other places agree with my assessment. So how about addressing that NYC dems not agreeing with what happened and black ppl in Chicago

mercurydude posted...

This isn't true. Trump and his cult oppose all immigration, unless it's something like Russian birth tourism. Their opposition is racist in nature and they're quite proud of this. It's why Trump did his best to hinder all immigration, except for the cases where it benefited him personally.

Yeah dude, no shit. I was talking about this topic.

flussence posted...

Consensus manufacturing in realtime

If there was a "crisis" i'm sure the police force that gets $3B of funding per year would be all over it

Both Hochul and Adams have said there's definitely a crisis they're unable to handle. Also, the NYPD isn't allowed to do anything about it.

thronedfire2 posted...

what's new york doing with migrants? in MA they're putting them in hotels and motels which most areas have an abundance of because people only visit two areas in MA.

The shelters and hotels are all full. They're building tent shelters in parks and renting out unsafe abandoned buildings now

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It's supposed to exclusively house 500 men and it's across the street from an all girls school and two other elementary schools to the sides.

CobraGT posted...

These New Yorkers are asking for fascism because of the inherent contradictions.

First off we got migrants. Any big city has migrants. Second (economists tell me) migrant labor is an established part of our economy. Prices go up - profits go up migrant income goes down.

Already my country is flaunting international law in the name of keeping the migrants out. By the way this flaunting of international law has not kept the migrants out.

Lol, how is exploiting them so that their wages go down just so we can save money supposed to be a good thing? Especially since it also hurts existing low wage workers?

CobraGT posted...

What is next? Oh, right. Let NYPD collect anyone suspected of being a migrant. Let NYPD go anywhere it needs to go to grab suspected migrants.

/ / /

Dumb Butt Protesters. You should be demanding decent quality of life from the powers that be instead of helping the powers that be suppress the down-trodden.

When in history has taking something away from a group of people meant it goes to you?

One example please.

The NYPD can't do anything. NYC is a sanctuary city.

Taxes are paying for this and also come at the cost of cuts and stressing housing, infrastructure and social safety nets, so I'm not sure what you're even saying. Only 20-40% are eventually approved, so about $6 million a day is going to waste on people taking advantage, which just hurts legitimate ones since the backlog has swelled to 5+ years now for approval.

Regardless, there is no slowing down on the amount coming. 1.3k more have arrived since this topic was created. Everything is subject to negative returns eventually.

@InfinityMonster

I would not have guessed NYC is a sanctuary city but it is a relief to know.

I agree we need to go forward.

Has anyone of the protesters even considered how the new arrivals could be allies?

As in think out of the box.

CobraGT posted...

@InfinityMonster

I would not have guessed NYC is a sanctuary city but it is a relief to know.

I agree we need to go forward.

If you didn't know such a well known thing, it kind of shows you're unqualified to speak on this issue basically.

CobraGT posted...

Has anyone of the protesters even considered how the new arrivals could be allies?

As in think out of the box.

Allies how? You just said in the other post that you think it's a benefit that migrants will be exploited and their wages will go down.

Thinking outside the box for you seems like thinking of better ways to exploit them.

Americans and Brits complaining about immigrants is hilariously hypocritical.

InfinityMonster posted...

If you didn't know such a well known thing, it kind of shows you're unqualified to speak on this issue basically.

Allies how? You just said in the other post that you think it's a benefit that migrants will be exploited and their wages will go down.

Thinking outside the box for you seems like thinking of better ways to exploit them.

1 uh hunh

2 In your mind only. The implication that their being exploited is a justification for deporting new arrivals is in your mind only.

They are and will be exploited. I would expect this to generate some sympathy instead of enmity.

3 Have fun twisting my words. And not being able to see new arrivals as allies gives you a growth benchmark. I hope you achieve it.

CobraGT posted...

1 uh hunh

2 In your mind only. The implication that their being exploited is a justification for deporting new arrivals is in your mind only.

They are and will be exploited. I would expect this to generate some sympathy instead of enmity.

Lmao, this made no sense. Why are you constantly saying the dumbest shit?

CobraGT posted...

3 Have fun twisting my words. And not being able to see new arrivals as allies gives you a growth benchmark. I hope you achieve it.

I don't have to twist anything. You're clearly said you're fine with lower wages and exploiting people to save money.

I'm a Hispanic guy born and raised in Queens and the BX, surrounded by millions of immigrants. People just coming in with flimsy cases trying to game the system is not a benefit to any of us, and unless you live here with us, you should probably stop making a fool of yourself.

Immigrants are the backbone that sustain NYC. All those restaurant and hotels all throughout the city, who do you think does the dirty work at MIN WAGE OR LESS?

Any actual NYers commenting in here? There is an issue in that they are running out of places to house the migrants.

C_Pain posted...

Any actual NYers commenting in here? There is an issue in that they are running out of places to house the migrants.

I saw this thread on NYC sub reddit that seems to support it all.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/16bxgz0/nyc_receiving_more_than_2k_migrants_each_week_as/

Prismsblade posted...

I saw this thread on NYC sub reddit that seems to support it all.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/16bxgz0/nyc_receiving_more_than_2k_migrants_each_week_as/

Support what? I see most of the top comments saying it's an issue at the very least in the short term.

CARRRNE_ASADA posted...

Immigrants are the backbone that sustain NYC. All those restaurant and hotels all throughout the city, who do you think does the dirty work at MIN WAGE OR LESS?

Why do you people continue this irrelevant and ignorant talking point like it's supposed to mean anything?

C_Pain posted...

Support what? I see most of the top comments saying it's an issue at the very least in the short term.

I think he was saying the people discussing it confirm that there are several major issues involved here.

They just announced a few hours ago that they will cutting all NYC agencies by 5% to pay for this and we're only in year 1 of the crisis.

C_Pain posted...

Any actual NYers commenting in here? There is an issue in that they are running out of places to house the migrants.

InfinityMonster posted...

Why do you people continue this irrelevant and ignorant talking point like it's supposed to mean anything?

I think he was saying the people discussing it confirm that there are several major issues involved here.

They just announced a few hours ago that they will cutting all NYC agencies by 5% to pay for this and we're only in year 1 of the crisis.

NYC doesn't get the same funding that places like Texas or Florida get to house, process, staffing, placement, etc. And Congress aka the assholes(republicans) who are blocking any immigration reform, or funding to give NYC for it are purposely trying to stir that up.

What I don't understand is this is information that is repeated and available to look up any time yet people still are falling for this b.s. stunt they pulled.

Adams should be repeating it more than talking about how it's destroying NYC, but how many times can you repeat the same thing with a large swath of people remaining ignorant and refusing to protest the actual core issue.

InfinityMonster posted...

It's supposed to exclusively house 500 men and it's across the street from an all girls school and two other elementary schools to the sides.

Is this an "immigrants are likely to be pedophiles" thing or just the classic "men can't be trusted around children...because they're likely to be pedophiles" thing?

Does feel like its the actions of a soft civil war with Texas, Florida and other Republican states trying trying to break blue states with ploy's like this, the fact that it seems to be working is troubling.

No city can just handle having millions frequently be flooded into it at a rapid pace so on that issue any one would not be keen on the situation.

X8Azazel8X posted...

NYC doesn't get the same funding that places like Texas or Florida get to house, process, staffing, placement, etc. And Congress aka the assholes(republicans) who are blocking any immigration reform, or funding to give NYC for it are purposely trying to stir that up.

What I don't understand is this is information that is repeated and available to look up any time yet people still are falling for this b.s. stunt they pulled.

Adams should be repeating it more than talking about how it's destroying NYC, but how many times can you repeat the same thing with a large swath of people remaining ignorant and refusing to protest the actual core issue.

Florida is not a border state and has barely sent anybody here, so it's irrelevant to bring up. Texas also doesn't get that much additional funding when considering the exponential amount they get compared to NYC. It's the border that's funded by the federal government. All other aid goes to the NGOs down there. Not Texas itself.

Texas has only sent 13k as of today, so Texas is irrelevant here when the amount here is 110k. Texas also does not have a right to shelter law like NYC does. They are immediately released after the initial stuff. It's the NGOs that help with their housing.

It's fine to blame the Republicans since they're complicit as well, but most of the reforms that the Democrats have wanted have always included millions in amnesty, which they know that no Republican is gonna ok.

The upside down sign is killing me

Half the people protesting look puerto-rican.

InfinityMonster posted...

Florida is not a border state and has barely sent anybody here, so it's irrelevant to bring up.

Its not irrelevant since it helped to ratchet up the practice of sending them to NYC. Florida has the largest population of cubans and other migrants that came here legally since the 70's. So no its not irrelevant in the least.

InfinityMonster posted...

Texas also doesn't get that much additional funding when considering the exponential amount they get compared to NYC.

Texas has an excess budget of showing it to be at least $27 billion, and possibly as high as $35 billion. They haven't or refuse to use and that many there use as their personal slush funds. So they have more than enough you don't know what you are talking about.

InfinityMonster posted...

It's the border that's funded by the federal government. All other aid goes to the NGOs down there. Not Texas itself.

Again surplus of billions in the double digits that is likely much higher than reported. They don't have the right because they refuse the right to house and opt to have the right to repel them instead. Housing market surplus where people are complaining billions should be given back to home owners.

InfinityMonster posted...

Texas has only sent 13k as of today, so Texas is irrelevant here when the amount here is 110k. Texas also does not have a right to shelter law like NYC does. They are immediately released after the initial stuff. It's the NGOs that help with their housing.

Eh from the official statements on it:

approximately 104,000 migrants, asylum-seekers and refugees who have arrived in New York City since the spring of 2022 A large proportion of them have come through the border in Texas, where Gov. Greg Abbott began sending people by bus to New York and other Democratic-run cities last summer.

They are approximated number. Abbot refuses to give them an accurate roster or notice of arrival to help coordinate. So yeah he is the biggest part of the problem and making it impossible to adequately coordinate. Nyc already has a housing crisis before he sent them which he knew and did on purpose.

He says its around 13,000 and we all know he can be relied on for accuracy right?

InfinityMonster posted...

It's fine to blame the Republicans since they're complicit as well, but most of the reforms that the Democrats have wanted have always included millions in amnesty, which they know that no Republican is gonna ok.

You mean for legal migrants who came seeking asylum under threat of death or crippling bodily harm? Heaven forbid we assume the party of pro life, family values, would might want to grant asylum to brown or black migrants. That's just going way too far.

Tenlaar posted...

Is this an "immigrants are likely to be pedophiles" thing or just the classic "men can't be trusted around children...because they're likely to be pedophiles" thing?

There have been issues at the shelters in Manhattan of fighting, sexual assault, prostitution, illegal mopeds everywhere and catcalling/harassing people walking by.

So it's more like "500 poorly vetted people"

Most people wouldn't be ok with hundreds of any men that have no jobs and need to chill around all day.

X8Azazel8X posted...

Its not irrelevant since it helped to ratchet up the practice of sending them to NYC. Florida has the largest population of cubans and other migrants that came here legally since the 70's. So no its not irrelevant in the least.

100% irrelevant. Florida has sent a few hundred at best and it's mostly Texas that's been doing this.

X8Azazel8X posted...

Texas has an excess budget of showing it to be at least $27 billion, and possibly as high as $35 billion. They haven't or refuse to use and that many there use as their personal slush funds. So they have more than enough you don't know what you are talking about.

X8Azazel8X posted...

Again surplus of billions in the double digits that is likely much higher than reported. They don't have the right because they refuse the right to house and opt to have the right to repel them instead. Housing market surplus where people are complaining billions should be given back to home owners.

The state's surplus is not for other people. You changed the goalpost from funding to money the state has. This is a national issue. Not state. They have zero responsibility to spend that money if the feds are not helping.

X8Azazel8X posted...

They are approximated number. Abbot refuses to give them an accurate roster or notice of arrival to help coordinate. So yeah he is the biggest part of the problem and making it impossible to adequately coordinate. Nyc already has a housing crisis before he sent them which he knew and did on purpose.

He says its around 13,000 and we all know he can be relied on for accuracy right?

Abbott has been personally bragging about the numbers weekly and both CBSNews and Eric Adams have confirmed it along with tons of other people involved. There is zero reason to downplay the numbers when the entire point is bragging about "look at how many we're sending"

The official number is 13k, meaning the rest of the 97k came on their own. NYC is one of the most well cities on Earth, so stop acting like these people don't know about it and don't want to come here.

X8Azazel8X posted...

You mean for legal migrants who came seeking asylum under threat of death or crippling bodily harm? Heaven forbid we assume the party of pro life, family values, would might want to grant asylum to brown or black migrants. That's just going way too far

60-80% of claims are rejected. So this is all BS. Most of the people are coming from places that are just poor and don't have serious issues like that.

InfinityMonster posted...

100% irrelevant. Florida has sent a few hundred at best and it's mostly Texas that's been doing this.

So you don't know what irrelevant means then. I'm the one that pointed out Texas is mostly doing it you are the one that said they are also your strange and innaccurate use of "irrelevant".

InfinityMonster posted...

The state's surplus is not for other people. You changed the goalpost from funding to money the state has. This is a national issue. Not state. They have zero responsibility to spend that money if the feds are not helping.

I changed nothing. I said this:

X8Azazel8X posted...

NYC doesn't get the same funding that places like Texas or Florida get to house, process, staffing, placement, etc.

And they do having a housing surplus market and yes can be spent any way they choose. They would fight in court to say they didn't.
InfinityMonster posted...

Abbott has been personally bragging about the numbers weekly and both CBSNews and Eric Adams have confirmed it along with tons of other people involved. There is zero reason to downplay the numbers when the entire point is bragging about "look at how many we're sending"

The official number is 13k, meaning the rest of the 97k came on their own. NYC is one of the most well cities on Earth, so stop acting like these people don't know about it and don't want to come here.

I don't give a fuck. Abbot isn't going to be accurate about that. The official statement is this:

X8Azazel8X posted...

approximately 104,000 migrants, asylum-seekers and refugees who have arrived in New York City since the spring of 2022 A large proportion of them have come through the border in Texas, where Gov. Greg Abbott began sending people by bus to New York and other Democratic-run cities last summer.

Abbot is not a reliable source. The more credible source says a large portion is Texas and most of the trouble they are having is from Texas.

If you have a source saying abbot's number of sending them to NYC is "irrelevant" like you are saying well then post it.

InfinityMonster posted...

60-80% of claims are rejected. So this is all BS. Most of the people are coming from places that are just poor and don't have serious issues like that.

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and Jordans office pointed The Daily Caller News Foundation to statistics on the number of asylum grants from the Executive Office of Immigration Review (EOIR). Immigration courts granted asylum in 20 percent of cases in Fiscal Year (FY) 2017 and 17 percent of cases in FY 2016.
Immigration courts did not explicitly deny asylum in all of the other 80 percent to 83 percent of cases. They denied 34 percent in FY 2017 and 23 percent in FY 2016, but closed the rest of the cases because, among other reasons, the asylum-seeker never showed up or the applicant withdrew the claim. Some of the individuals in the closed cases could have gotten other forms of humanitarian relief or deportation deferrals.

The government does not publish an overall asylum grant rate that includes both affirmative asylum and defensive asylum. Alex Nowrasteh, a senior immigration policy analyst at the libertarian Cato Institute, told TheDCNF that there is no data tracking individual asylum-seekers over time as they move through the system and across agencies.

Are any of them Native American? Then dont complain about migrants

X8Azazel8X posted...

So you don't know what irrelevant means then. I'm the one that pointed out Texas is mostly doing it you are the one that said they are also your strange and innaccurate use of "irrelevant".

It's only a bit over 10% of the amount from Texas. It's irrelevant to the issue NYC is facing and you're wasting your time bringing it up.

X8Azazel8X posted...

I changed nothing. I said this:

You literally said NYC doesn't get the funding Florida and Texas get. A surplus is not funding. That's money for the state. Again, this is a federal issue. Even NY State is not funding much and Hochul told Adams to basically go fuck himself.

Read the entire topic next time. Also, Texas and the entire country is facing a housing shortage, so I'm not sure what nonsense about surpluses you're referring to or why border state would be responsible even if it was a surplus.

X8Azazel8X posted...

I don't give a fuck. Abbot isn't going to be accurate about that. The official statement is this:

X8Azazel8X posted...

Abbot is not a reliable source. The more credible source says a large portion is Texas and most of the trouble they are having is from Texas.

If you have a source saying abbot's number of sending them to NYC is "irrelevant" like you are saying well then post it.

I'm sorry, I'm not going to entertain conspiracy theories. Abbott has claimed that amount and the entire city has bought it. Here is the New York Times confirming this.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/08/us/politics/gop-migrants-blue-cities.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

If you have an actual source confirming the opposite and that every news company and the mayor have been misled, post it. Otherwise it's complete BS.

Your "more credible source" simply doesn't exist.

X8Azazel8X posted...

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and Jordans office pointed The Daily Caller News Foundation to statistics on the number of asylum grants from the Executive Office of Immigration Review (EOIR). Immigration courts granted asylum in 20 percent of cases in Fiscal Year (FY) 2017 and 17 percent of cases in FY 2016.
Immigration courts did not explicitly deny asylum in all of the other 80 percent to 83 percent of cases. They denied 34 percent in FY 2017 and 23 percent in FY 2016, but closed the rest of the cases because, among other reasons, the asylum-seeker never showed up or the applicant withdrew the claim. Some of the individuals in the closed cases could have gotten other forms of humanitarian relief or deportation deferrals.

The government does not publish an overall asylum grant rate that includes both affirmative asylum and defensive asylum. Alex Nowrasteh, a senior immigration policy analyst at the libertarian Cato Institute, told TheDCNF that there is no data tracking individual asylum-seekers over time as they move through the system and across agencies.

"Under the new Biden administration asylum seekers are seeing greater success rates in securing asylum. While asylum denial rates had grown ever higher during the Trump years to a peak of 71 percent in FY 2020, they fell to 63 percent in FY 2021. Expressed another way, success rates grew from 29 percent to 37 percent under President Biden."

Eramir posted...

Are any of them Native American? Then dont complain about migrants

You paying for it?

InfinityMonster posted...

It's only a bit over 10% of the amount from Texas. It's irrelevant to the issue NYC is facing and you're wasting your time bringing it up.

According to a approximate number from an unreliable source. You using your own definition to describe it as irreverent is just gibberish and a non answer.

InfinityMonster posted...

You literally said NYC doesn't get the funding Florida and Texas get. A surplus is not funding. That's money for the state. Again, this is a federal issue. Even NY State is not funding much and Hochul told Adams to basically go fuck himself.

Read the entire topic next time. Also, Texas and the entire country is facing a housing shortage, so I'm not sure what nonsense about surpluses you're referring to or why border state would be responsible even if it was a surplus.

Where the fuck do you think a budget comes from? Federal and local funds aka funding. So you don't know what funding is either.

Congress as I said could send nyc more funding. I didn't say congress was sending more to Texas but they do get more federal funding for it this is also a fact. Which you say is irrelevant.

InfinityMonster posted...

I'm sorry, I'm not going to entertain conspiracy theories. Abbott has claimed that amount and the entire city has bought it. Here is the New York Times confirming this.

...... you aren't entertaining conspiracy theories?? yeah okay

Either wayu AbBot is not an accurate source I posted the accurate statement on it.

InfinityMonster posted...

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/08/us/politics/gop-migrants-blue-cities.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

If you have an actual source confirming the opposite and that every news company and the mayor have been misled, post it. Otherwise it's complete BS.

Your "more credible source" simply doesn't exist.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/two-migrants-describe-arrival-life-nyc-city-shelters-thousands-rcna102845
A large proportion of them have come through the border in Texas, where Gov. Greg Abbott began sending people by bus to New York and other Democratic-run cities last summer.Though some migrants reported having come voluntarily, others said theyve been denied the choice. New York Mayor Eric Adams has criticized Abbotts actions as inhumane, saying they were done without coordination, while Abbott has repeatedly defended his decision.

https://www.caller.com/story/news/texasregion/2022/08/10/nyc-mayor-criticizes-texas-greg-abbott-for-using-migrants-as-political-pawns/65398768007/
Two days after the first group of migrants arrived in New York City from Texas, New York City Mayor Eric Adams criticized Gov. Greg Abbott for using migrants to "manufacture a crisis."

https://www.caller.com/story/news/texasregion/2022/08/10/nyc-mayor-criticizes-texas-greg-abbott-for-using-migrants-as-political-pawns/65398768007/
"Greg Abbott used innocent people as political pawns to manufacture a crisis," one tweet read. "New Yorkers are stepping up to fix it that's our city's values. But we need the federal government's help money, technical assistance and more."

https://www.caller.com/story/news/texasregion/2022/08/10/nyc-mayor-criticizes-texas-greg-abbott-for-using-migrants-as-political-pawns/65398768007/
Adams said it is impossible to ignore the fact that Abbott is now targeting five cities run by Black mayors. Put plainly, Abbott is using this crisis to hurt Black-run cities."

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/19/us/new-york-city-migrant-buses-legal-response/index.html
At least nine buses reached the city Sunday, the most recorded in a single day in this recent wave, according to two city officials. At least 1,011 asylum seekers arrived in the city from Friday throughSunday, according to a third city official.
The city may not be aware of additional migrants who have arrived in recent days.

So again many more credible and more in depth sources say differently and confirm these are estimations and the actual numbers are not known. The influx only happened when Abot and DaRacist began sending them. Not before IS what is known. You want to pretend otherwise.

InfinityMonster posted...

"Under the new Biden administration asylum seekers are seeing greater success rates in securing asylum. While asylum denial rates had grown ever higher during the Trump years to a peak of 71 percent in FY 2020, they fell to 63 percent in FY 2021. Expressed another way, success rates grew from 29 percent to 37 percent under President Biden."

Still does not change or refute this:
They denied 34 percent in FY 2017 and 23 percent in FY 2016, but closed the rest of the cases because, among other reasons, the asylum-seeker never showed up or the applicant withdrew the claim. Some of the individuals in the closed cases could have gotten other forms of humanitarian relief or deportation deferrals.

Alex Nowrasteh, a senior immigration policy analyst at the libertarian Cato Institute, told TheDCNF that there is no data tracking individual asylum-seekers over time as they move through the system and across agencies.

Your link doesn't cover the closed cases. And may have included them in the Denials with out making that distinction.

Giving "perhaps" and "may have" suppositions on them instead:

https://trac.syr.edu/immigration/reports/667/

It is possible that with so many Immigration Courts closed or partially closed due to the pandemic, that the composition of asylum cases may also have shifted. Perhaps the decline in denials merely reflects the different mix of cases and/or Immigration Judges hearing these casesnot any change in the underlying odds of success more generally for asylum seekers.

This conversation is over since a good portion of it is predicated on some unsubstantiated conspiracy theory about everyone lying and being misled. None of your links prove shit.

Every news source in September is saying it's 13k. Abbott didn't start posting these numbers till a few weeks ago.

Old ass links going "a lot" and "many" don't prove shit.

"This is all really caused by Texas" is not really a valid point of concern even though it has added to the stress because even if they did absolutely nothing, 97k+ would have still come here because everybody knows NYC is the only place on the entire planet that is required to house you due to a right to shelter law meant to help homeless people from the 30s.

If you honestly think Abbott is the one to tell them this, then you need to go outside, touch some grass, and then meet some actual migrants. It's all over social media in these countries and all the cartels know about it.

Honestly, if you don't live here, this doesn't affect you, so obviously it's easy to say "help them no matter the cost". Just stop unless you can provide some proof you're putting up your own money to help them instead of expecting others to.

"May haves" are meaningless for confirmed numbers of acceptances. A bit over 60% declines is still the official number.

This is troubling to me, because as I understand only very liberal democrats live in New York, there couldn't possibly be some upper middle class xenophobes in a city of millions.

InfinityMonster posted...

This conversation is over since a good portion of it is predicated on some unsubstantiated conspiracy theory about everyone lying and being misled. None of your links prove shit.

LOL okay boo hoo boo boo. If the shoe fits......everything I posted are facts.

InfinityMonster posted...

Every news source in September is saying it's 13k. Abbott didn't start posting these numbers till a few weeks ago.

Which ones say its not an estimation? Which ones says they recorded definitively every migrant that entered into NYC?

Any that do aren't accurate.

InfinityMonster posted...

Old ass links going "a lot" and "many" don't prove shit.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/19/us/new-york-city-migrant-buses-legal-response/index.html
At least nine buses reached the city Sunday, the most recorded in a single day in this recent wave, according to two city officials. At least 1,011 asylum seekers arrived in the city from Friday throughSunday, according to a third city official.
The city may not be aware of additional migrants who have arrived in recent days.

That's not what that says there.....it says definitively the numbers are estimates and not accurate.

InfinityMonster posted...

"This is all really caused by Texas" is not really a valid point of concern even though it has added to the stress because even if they did absolutely nothing, 97k+ would have still come here because everybody knows NYC is the only place on the entire planet that is required to house you due to a right to shelter law meant to help homeless people from the 30s.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/two-migrants-describe-arrival-life-nyc-city-shelters-thousands-rcna102845
A large proportion of them have come through the border in Texas, where Gov. Greg Abbott began sending people by bus to New York and other Democratic-run cities last summer.Though some migrants reported having come voluntarily, others said theyve been denied the choice. New York Mayor Eric Adams has criticized Abbotts actions as inhumane, saying they were done without coordination, while Abbott has repeatedly defended his decision.

https://www.caller.com/story/news/texasregion/2022/08/10/nyc-mayor-criticizes-texas-greg-abbott-for-using-migrants-as-political-pawns/65398768007/
Two days after the first group of migrants arrived in New York City from Texas, New York City Mayor Eric Adams criticized Gov. Greg Abbott for using migrants to "manufacture a crisis."

Yeah don't see that here. It says 2 days after the first ones arrived.....is when the crisis began.

InfinityMonster posted...

If you honestly think Abbott is the one to tell them this, then you need to go outside, touch some grass, and then meet some actual migrants. It's all over social media in these countries and all the cartels know about it.

Honestly, if you don't live here, this doesn't affect you, so obviously it's easy to say "help them no matter the cost". Just stop unless you can provide some proof you're putting up your own money to help them instead of expecting others to.

It affects everyone living in the united states.

And again the crisis didn't begin until Da Racist and Idiot sent them.

InfinityMonster posted...

"May haves" are meaningless for confirmed numbers of acceptances. A bit over 60% declines is still the official number.

Yet that is what is in you link that I cited......

X8Azazel8X posted...

Still does not change or refute this:
They denied 34 percent in FY 2017 and 23 percent in FY 2016, but closed the rest of the cases because, among other reasons, the asylum-seeker never showed up or the applicant withdrew the claim. Some of the individuals in the closed cases could have gotten other forms of humanitarian relief or deportation deferrals.

Alex Nowrasteh, a senior immigration policy analyst at the libertarian Cato Institute, told TheDCNF that there is no data tracking individual asylum-seekers over time as they move through the system and across agencies.

Your link doesn't cover the closed cases. And may have included them in the Denials with out making that distinction.

Giving "perhaps" and "may have" suppositions on them instead:

https://trac.syr.edu/immigration/reports/667/

It is possible that with so many Immigration Courts closed or partially closed due to the pandemic, that the composition of asylum cases may also have shifted. Perhaps the decline in denials merely reflects the different mix of cases and/or Immigration Judges hearing these casesnot any change in the underlying odds of success more generally for asylum seekers.

And the official numbers changed......yet the covering on the closed cases also changed it seems.

Has anyone pointed out that TC is using an AI generated photo to create controversy?

Hands/fingers are currently a dead giveaway for AI. They just can't do them properly. Also the upside down sign, but then again, these type of people generally are that level of intelligence

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/4/7/AAe283AAE07D.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/4/8/AAe283AAE07E.jpg

As I said, I'm not entertaining conspiracy theories from you. Not even gonna read your sloppy post because it's obvious you're not listening.

Hit up NY Times, CBS, NBC, The Gothamist, Daily News, The City, Hell Gate and the fucking mayor and ask all of them why they've believed fake numbers and are reporting it as facts.

Let me know how they respond because you're basically saying they just believed something that's fake and now pushing it as fact, calling into question the credibility of all these outlets.

Also knees like these, see a doctor
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/4/9/AAe283AAE07F.jpg

BunkerBoy posted...

Has anyone pointed out that TC is using an AI generated photo to create controversy?

Hands/fingers are currently a dead giveaway for AI. They just can't do them properly. Also the upside down sign, but then again, these type of people generally are that level of intelligence

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/4/7/AAe283AAE07D.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/4/8/AAe283AAE07E.jpg

that bottom pic is two hands

the other is just at an angle

thronedfire2 posted...

that bottom pic is two hands

the other is just at an angle

I dunno man, look at the edges of the signs. This is not an organic picture. I'm willing to bet it was generated

InfinityMonster posted...

As I said, I'm not entertaining conspiracy theories from you. Not even gonna read your sloppy post because it's obvious you're not listening.

Hit up NY Times, CBS, NBC, The Gothamist, Daily News, The City, Hell Gate and the fucking mayor and ask all of them why they've believed fake numbers and are reporting it as facts.

Let me know how they respond because you're basically saying they just believed something that's fake and now pushing it as fact, calling into question the credibility of all these outlets.

I pointed out what is there.

Your link gives estimation on the movement of migrants with out explicitly saying it.

Mine makes it clear that they are indeed estimations.

Your link doesn't include closed cases that explicitly refutes 80 percent being denied in my link.

If you find this to be conspiracy theory then....again you have yet another word you have poorly defined in your head canon of how you perceive the world.

X8Azazel8X posted...

I pointed out what is there.

Your link gives estimation on the movement of migrants with out explicitly saying it.

Mine makes it clear that they are indeed estimations.

Your link doesn't include closed cases that explicitly refutes 80 percent being denied in my link.

If you find this to be conspiracy theory then....again you have yet another word you have poorly defined in your head canon of how you perceive the world.

That's not the conspiracy theory I was referring to. What you're saying is a possibility, not a fact.

I was talking about all that dumb shit about Abbott and how every news sources in the city and the mayor got fooled. Have you started emailing them and posting the responses yet?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/5/4/AAe283AAE07K.jpg

Here too, what's the extra skin on the right side of her face? You shouldn't see face through open lips

This picture was generated. Standing by that.

InfinityMonster posted...

That's not the conspiracy theory I was referring to. What you're saying is a possibility, not a fact.

I was talking about all that dumb shit about Abbott and how every news sources in the city and the mayor got fooled. Have you started emailing them and posting the responses yet?

No what I'm saying is a fact.....lol. Okay another thing you have trouble defining.

Your link gives estimation on the movement of migrants with out explicitly saying it.

Mine makes it clear that they are indeed estimations.

Your link doesn't include closed cases that explicitly refutes 80 percent being denied in my link.

These are facts.

InfinityMonster posted...

I was talking about all that dumb shit about Abbott and how every news sources in the city and the mayor got fooled. Have you started emailing them and posting the responses yet?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/two-migrants-describe-arrival-life-nyc-city-shelters-thousands-rcna102845
A large proportion of them have come through the border in Texas, where Gov. Greg Abbott began sending people by bus to New York and other Democratic-run cities last summer.Though some migrants reported having come voluntarily, others said theyve been denied the choice. New York Mayor Eric Adams has criticized Abbotts actions as inhumane, saying they were done without coordination, while Abbott has repeatedly defended his decision.

https://www.caller.com/story/news/texasregion/2022/08/10/nyc-mayor-criticizes-texas-greg-abbott-for-using-migrants-as-political-pawns/65398768007/
Two days after the first group of migrants arrived in New York City from Texas, New York City Mayor Eric Adams criticized Gov. Greg Abbott for using migrants to "manufacture a crisis."

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/19/us/new-york-city-migrant-buses-legal-response/index.html
At least nine buses reached the city Sunday, the most recorded in a single day in this recent wave, according to two city officials. At least 1,011 asylum seekers arrived in the city from Friday throughSunday, according to a third city official.
The city may not be aware of additional migrants who have arrived in recent days.

Hmm that doesn't seem to be what that says there. It does say Abbot's numbers are estimations and not accurately tracking every migrant he sent.

My dude, links from 2022 are irrelevant when I'm posting links from fucking yesterday.

Did you start emailing them yet?

You can start with the NY Times since I already posted the link and there's a contact us link on the botton of the page.

I can find all the others for you to email.

Because some unknown guy I've never seen and likely a 261er, is basically peddling conspiracy theories saying that some of the biggest outlets in the US are misleading their readers because they themselves have been misled, so the bar is gonna be high on me believing anything you're saying.

InfinityMonster posted...

My dude, links from 2022 are irrelevant when I'm posting links from fucking yesterday.

Did you start emailing them yet?

When did the crisis start again? Yeah those dates are very relevant because you know it affects "fucking yesterday".

InfinityMonster posted...

You can start with the NY Times since I already posted the link and there's a contact us link on the botton of the page.

I can find all the others for you to email.

Because some unknown guy I've never seen and likely a 261er, is basically peddling conspiracy theories saying that some of the biggest outlets in the US are misleading their readers because they themselves have been misled, so the bar is gonna be high on me believing anything you're saying.

Again because your links don't explicitly say they are estimations don't mean they aren't. And the crisis began when Texas and Florida sent the migrants. This is a fact.

The reason its a crisis is because of this. This is a fact.

X8Azazel8X posted...

When did the crisis start again? Yeah those dates are very relevant because you know it affects "fucking yesterday".

Again because your links don't explicitly say they are estimations don't mean they aren't. And the crisis began when Texas and Florida sent the migrants. This is a fact.

The reason its a crisis is because of this. This is a fact.

Here's the link to the NY Times. The contact us link is on the bottom if you didn't hear the first time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/08/us/politics/gop-migrants-blue-cities.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

@ me when they respond. When you need more links, let me know.

Also, lmao @ Florida. None of your links even mention them.

You're being dishonest and you know it.

InfinityMonster posted...

Here's the link to the NY Times. The contact us link is on the bottom if you didn't hear the first time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/08/us/politics/gop-migrants-blue-cities.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

@ me when they respond. When you need more links, let me know.

Also, lmao @ Florida. None of your links even mention them.

You're being dishonest and you know it.

Again something else you have trouble defining.....

The only thing dishonest is pretending the migrant crisis began before they were bussed there. Show me an article that shows there was a crisis before then.

X8Azazel8X posted...

Again something else you have trouble defining.....

The only thing dishonest is pretending the migrant crisis began before they were bussed there. Show me an article that shows there was a crisis before then.

And I already addressed it like 50 times. They did aid in stressing things, but they're now irrelevant because 97k other people have arrived on their own.

You have to be trolling at this point.

InfinityMonster posted...

And I already addressed it like 50 times. They did aid in stressing things, but they're now irrelevant because 97k other people have arrived on their own.

You have to be trolling at this point.

The 97k is an estimation.

The crisis began when they sent them and at no time before was there a described crisis.

Either way this over all number of over 100 thousand is an estimation and didn't begin until they initiated it.

We don't know why the influx of supposed number that weren't sent continues

So far the only known factor that made the crisis what it is is from the initial and manufactured crisis of DaRacis and Idiot.

These are facts.

X8Azazel8X posted...

The 97k is an estimation.

The crisis began when they sent them and at no time before was there a described crisis.

Either way this over all number of over 100 thousand is an estimation and didn't begin until they initiated it.

We don't know why the influx of supposed number that weren't sent continues

So far the only known factor that made the crisis what it is is from the initial and manufactured crisis of DaRacis and Idiot.

These are facts.

DeSantis is not even involved in this.

Dude, stop trolling. None of those are facts.

I'm surprised 261 people are this fucking delusional. Yeah, everything every politician is saying using those very numbers in NYC are all misled and lying.

X8Azazel8X knows what's up, even though he doesn't live in NYC.

InfinityMonster posted...

DeSantis is not even involved in this.

Dude, stop trolling. None of those are facts.

I'm surprised 261 people are this fucking delusional. Yeah, everything every politician is saying using those very numbers in NYC are all misled and lying.

X8Azazel8X knows what's up, even though he doesn't live in NYC.

Right so where is your link showing the crisis before DaRacist and Idiot sent migrants?

They are the cause for manufacturing a crisis. Fact.

Repeating yourself when you've been bitched out for lying several times is a bad look. DeRacist and Idiot? Cringe. Are you 5? Lmao.

Moving on. It doesn't matter who started what. Word got out that NYC provides free housing, food, spending money, phones and healthcare.

People came and continue to come in droves. News media was going crazy when it started, so they probably helped inform even more people. It's now reached unsustainable levels. If anybody wants to discuss that and ways in how we can mitigate this, I'm free to.

So red New Yorkers showed up to protest.

Not surprising.

Immigration MADE NYC what it is today, this is pure stupidoty.