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Butterfiles
09/01/23 12:09:39 PM
#51:


Man fuck this

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Cemith
09/01/23 12:09:45 PM
#52:


Nazanir posted...
So you are okay with completely devastating someone's life?

I'm not the one doing it am I?

Are you okay with 2 people's regret being the basis for banning trans youth for children in an entire state?

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DementedDurian
09/01/23 12:10:01 PM
#53:


I already have two relatives who own homes that I can live in that both said I cannot pursue a transition if I live there, all for "religious" reasons.

My grandfather says "I'm wrong to feel this way". My brother denies the idea I'm transgender at all.

Only other option is my dad, who took my coming out as a jest. If he knew I was serious, I don't know if he'll look at me the same again.

I don't want to grow into an old man. Especially considering how my grandmother said that my grandfather didn't always be an old bastard to begin with.

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Nazanir
09/01/23 12:12:37 PM
#54:


BombermanGold posted...
*circles back to my earlier question*

Do you really think those who regret the transition is widespread?
I think it is a rising problem, yes. And I fear it will be much worse in years to come.

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ai123
09/01/23 12:13:06 PM
#55:


Transitioning is a matter for the person concerned, and the professionals with whom they are in consultation. They are best placed to determine the appropriate healthcare.

Not politicians pandering to the lowest common denominator on their anti 'woke' crusade.

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DnDer
09/01/23 12:13:34 PM
#56:


Nazanir posted...
So you are okay with completely devastating someone's life?

Gender affirming care is life saving care.

You've bought (and attempted to peddle) a lie.

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darkace77450
09/01/23 12:15:05 PM
#57:


Nazanir posted...
I think it is a rising problem, yes. And I fear it will be much worse in years to come.

You think. Tens of thousands of experts in the pertinent fields disagree. Whose opinion do you think should carry more weight in this discussion?

PS - I'm asking rhetorically. You're being deliberately obtuse and I'm done pretending you're posting in good faith.
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DnDer
09/01/23 12:15:37 PM
#58:


Nazanir posted...
I think it is a rising problem, yes. And I fear it will be much worse in years to come.

Why? Pray tell, why?

And what evidence supports this idea?

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Nazanir
09/01/23 12:16:00 PM
#59:


darkace77450 posted...
You think. Tens of thousands of experts in the pertinent fields disagree. Who's opinion do you think should carry more weight in this discussion?

PS - I'm asking rhetorically. You're being deliberately obtuse and I'm done pretending you're posting in good faith.
Okay, how long did it take for we realized asbestos was not that good to put into walls?

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BombermanGold
09/01/23 12:16:48 PM
#60:


Nazanir posted...
I think it is a rising problem, yes. And I fear it will be much worse in years to come.

So you think it's best to leave those with gender dysphoria to their own devices, then? Do nothing for such people? Regardless of being minors or otherwise?

Or, do you not want gender transitioning to be a thing, at all? Not even an option open to anyone, even adults?

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SaikyoStyle
09/01/23 12:16:58 PM
#61:


Cemith posted...
I'm not the one doing it am I?

Are you okay with 2 people's regret being the basis for banning trans youth for children in an entire state?
Oh hes okay with much more than that.

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Murphiroth
09/01/23 12:18:33 PM
#62:


Nazanir posted...
Okay, how long did it take for we realized asbestos was not that good to put into walls?

Of course a transphobe thinks this is an actual argument.

Enjoy your inevitable moderation, you chuds always eventually slip up and go a little too mask off.
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Nazanir
09/01/23 12:19:13 PM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8213007/

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-outcomes/

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/107/10/e4261/6604653?login=false

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CoyoteTheGreat
09/01/23 12:22:08 PM
#64:


Reported and tagged. Don't give these people any oxygen, just use the tools Gamefaqs gives you.

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GranAures
09/01/23 12:22:24 PM
#65:


Maybe you should read your own top "source."

Because at absolute best it proves that you are trying to use less than 3%, at absolute best, to justify stripping care from the other 97%.

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BombermanGold
09/01/23 12:24:12 PM
#66:


Nazanir posted...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8213007/

From this link you posted:

A total of 17,151 (61.9%) participants reported that they had ever pursued gender affirmation, broadly defined. Of these, 2242 (13.1%) reported a history of detransition. Of those who had detransitioned, 82.5% reported at least one external driving factor. Frequently endorsed external factors included pressure from family and societal stigma. History of detransition was associated with male sex assigned at birth, nonbinary gender identity, bisexual sexual orientation, and having a family unsupportive of one's gender identity. A total of 15.9% of respondents reported at least one internal driving factor, including fluctuations in or uncertainty regarding gender identity.

Among TGD adults with a reported history of detransition, the vast majority reported that their detransition was driven by external pressures

I can already gather that you're of the type who think gender is and must always be a fixed thing and that those who don't "feel" of their gender are just mentally ill.

Am I getting that correctly?

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BunkerBoy
09/01/23 12:24:21 PM
#67:


Nazanir posted...
Okay, how long did it take for we realized asbestos was not that good to put into walls?
Are you seriously comparing transitioning to asbestos?

Between this and using Dr Phil as a source... What's wrong with you?
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GranAures
09/01/23 12:25:51 PM
#68:


BombermanGold posted...
From this link you posted:

I can already gather that you're of the type who think gender is and must always be a fixed thing and that those who don't "feel" of their gender are just mentally ill.

Am I getting that correctly?
And I did the math on that in another thread, being super generous and assuming everybody who detransitioned for reasons other than lack of support "got it wrong" and did multiple rounding to the benefit of "but detransitioning" and got 3%.

Homeslice wants to ruin the lives of people because of 3%.

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Nazanir
09/01/23 12:26:31 PM
#69:


BombermanGold posted...
From this link you posted:

I can already gather that you're of the type who think gender is and must always be a fixed thing and that those who don't "feel" of their gender are just mentally ill.

Am I getting that correctly?
If sex doesn't determine gender, how does changing one's genitals affirm it?

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Murphiroth
09/01/23 12:26:46 PM
#70:


GranAures posted...
And I did the math on that in another thread, being super generous and assuming everybody who detransitioned for reasons other than lack of support "got it wrong" and did multiple rounding to the benefit of "but detransitioning" and got 3%.

Homeslice wants to ruin the lives of people because of 3%.

He also absolutely does not give a shit about that 3% outside of being able to use them as an arguing point.
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Jerry_Hellyeah
09/01/23 12:27:36 PM
#71:


Cemith posted...
But who will think of the transitioned who regretted it??? I'm just asking questions!

And ironically enough, if you asked the person that same question back, they'd reply with

"Why should I give a shit?"

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BombermanGold
09/01/23 12:28:00 PM
#72:


Nazanir posted...
If sex doesn't determine gender, how does changing one's genitals affirm it?

Counter-question: How does someone changing their genitalia to fit their mindset on who they are affect you?

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Murphiroth
09/01/23 12:30:06 PM
#73:


Nazanir posted...
If sex doesn't determine gender, how does changing one's genitals affirm it?

Your mask is slipping off homie.
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Nazanir
09/01/23 12:31:17 PM
#74:


BombermanGold posted...
Counter-question: How does someone changing their genitalia to fit their mindset on who they are affect you?
As much as it should affect you.

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AlCalavicci
09/01/23 12:31:20 PM
#75:


I can't ever say it better than Jon Stewart so I will just post this.

https://youtu.be/NPmjNYt71fk?si=HYEZGlvxCoWyJ3R-

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reincarnator07
09/01/23 12:33:56 PM
#76:


Nazanir posted...
If sex doesn't determine gender, how does changing one's genitals affirm it?
If sex determines gender, why have things associated with each gender changed so much across history and between different cultures? Should this not be fairly immutable?

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TaylorHeinicke
09/01/23 12:35:47 PM
#77:


tag before lock

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Humble_Novice
09/01/23 12:35:49 PM
#78:


CoyoteTheGreat posted...
Reported and tagged. Don't give these people any oxygen, just use the tools Gamefaqs gives you.
This. Report transphobes like Nazanir en masse.

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Euripides
09/01/23 12:37:28 PM
#79:


Oh look, another thread where people with no fucking clue what they're talking about decide to get all Dunning-Kruger with their bad selves

This ruling is going to domino into a ton of other states. I'm SO HAPPY that my kid turns 18 tomorrow so that Ohio can't fuck them over (though there's no guarantee that this backwards shit-swamp doesn't try to just ban gender-affirming care for everyone. Because they never just stop with kids)

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darkace77450
09/01/23 12:40:10 PM
#81:


Euripides posted...
This ruling is going to domino into a ton of other states. I'm SO HAPPY that my kid turns 18 tomorrow so that Ohio can't f*** them over (though there's no guarantee that this backwards s***-swamp doesn't try to just ban gender-affirming care for everyone. Because they never just stop with kids)

Sadly, Oklahoma already showed us how quickly the ban goes from "think of the children" to "no one under the age of 26."
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GranAures
09/01/23 12:41:14 PM
#82:


Murphiroth posted...
Your mask is slipping off homie.
Mask came off at "transitioning doesn't help because I'll treat them like shit until they kill themselves" lead in.

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BombermanGold
09/01/23 12:44:41 PM
#83:


Nazanir posted...
As much as it should affect you.

So in my case, "not at all."
What one person does that they think or does try to help themselves out, has no bearing on my own.
If someone transitions, it does nothing to affect me or how I live.

So that said, if someone transitions then for whatever reason de-transitions, if you and I are on the same page of it not affecting us in any way, then why go to bat for banning gender-affirming care?

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mercurydude
09/01/23 12:45:45 PM
#84:


Naz is gonna get modded all to hell because he can't conceal how much he has a violent hatred for trans people.

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Nazanir
09/01/23 12:54:25 PM
#85:


mercurydude posted...
Naz is gonna get modded all to hell because he can't conceal how much he has a violent hatred for trans people.
How is disagreeing with that this causes a genocide equal to violent hatred?

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BombermanGold
09/01/23 12:57:06 PM
#86:


Nazanir posted...
How is disagreeing with that this causes a genocide equal to violent hatred?

It's a type of care that helps far more people who are afflicted than harms.
If multiple health agencies (doctors and scientists) do think gender dysphoria is a thing, heavily written about and came up with the ways to treat said people to keep them living a mentally balanced life, then why go against them? What is the reason?

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mercurydude
09/01/23 12:57:36 PM
#87:


"Can we just pretend I'm a decent person by not acknowledging that I compared healthcare for trans people to asbestos causing cancer?"

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Humble_Novice
09/01/23 12:59:32 PM
#88:


Humble_Novice posted...
Report transphobes like Nazanir en masse.

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Nazanir
09/01/23 1:00:06 PM
#89:


Again, suicide post op are equal to pre op, so claiming it helps more than it does harm is simply not true.

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AlCalavicci
09/01/23 1:01:40 PM
#90:


Nazanir posted...
Again, suicide post op are equal to pre op, so claiming it helps more than it does harm is simply not true.

Please cite actual credible research that states this.

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Cemith
09/01/23 1:02:59 PM
#91:


AlCalavicci posted...
Please cite actual credible research that states this.
Spoilers: he can't. He runs from topics when he's proven wrong. Only a matter of time now.

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UnfairRepresent
09/01/23 1:04:14 PM
#92:


I ain't touching this with a 12 foot pole

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ChainsawFerret
09/01/23 1:04:54 PM
#93:


1) Trans rights ARE human rights, no matter what some quack or some fascist pol has to say about it.

2) Dr. Phil is a quack and not fit for any sort of medical or psych advice. If you believe a word of him, get help. I said what I said.

3) Who am I going to trust? The science and the scientists who are showing that transitioning helps, or the POS pols trying to murder them? My money is on the science.

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BombermanGold
09/01/23 1:06:10 PM
#94:


Nazanir posted...
Again, suicide post op are equal to pre op, so claiming it helps more than it does harm is simply not true.

So you completely ignored your own sources that I pointed out that said otherwise.

Yeah, you're just shitposting for lulz and need your account thrown away.

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BunkerBoy
09/01/23 1:06:18 PM
#95:


Nazanir posted...
Again, suicide post op are equal to pre op, so claiming it helps more than it does harm is simply not true.
You're citing Dr Phil though... Lmao
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Unsuprised_Pika
09/01/23 1:08:15 PM
#97:


SaikyoStyle posted...
Is it hyperbolic to look at this and see the beginning of an attempted genocide?

No

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Nazanir
09/01/23 1:08:55 PM
#98:


Cemith posted...
Spoilers: he can't. He runs from topics when he's proven wrong. Only a matter of time now.
Sorry, still here.

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Cemith
09/01/23 1:09:38 PM
#99:


Nazanir posted...
Sorry, still here.
Like I said, just a matter of time.

You still owe us a source for your ridiculous claim btw.

You also didn't answer my earlier question-

Use two people's experience to ban the care for hundreds of thousands. Yes or no?

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