Current Events > Why was Overwatch 2 downvoted on Steam

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Was it the original criticisms at launch, last year on Battle.net... or is there new stuff with this update

It sucks

As someone who's never played it or the first one, I think it's just kind of an insult. They made a sequel that could have been an update with the promise that they'd release single-player content. Then they cancel the single-player content. And all the time, they're releasing the cosmetic microtransaction bullshit.

People down voted it to death a few months ago after they decided to no longer do the story thing which was the main selling point for the game

pegusus123456 posted...

As someone who's never played it or the first one, I think it's just kind of an insult. They made a sequel that could have been an update with the promise that they'd release single-player content. Then they cancel the single-player content. And all the time, they're releasing the cosmetic microtransaction bullshit.

Aztex posted...

People down voted it to death a few months ago after they decided to no longer do the story thing which was the main selling point for the game

These. I still play the game and I think its quite good. However, Blizzard did this to themselves. I dont blame anyone for it. The only thing they can do is improve the game. Its a game that can come back like every other game.

Gutting the PvE (which was the whole justification for Overwatch getting a sequel), the ridiculously shady microtransactions they put in, and there's also a sizable portion of negative reviews coming from China because they took away the game/their accounts for a time.

I miss Overwatch 1. A lot of people hated Shield/Stun meta but it was still very team focused. Overwatch 2 puts more emphasis on solo carry and the tank role. They shouldn't even be called tanks but rather Super DPS.

PvE was the main reason people were hyped over the sequel but it's clear Blizzard just doesn't have the talent anymore. That's why they dropped it. Better to just gut the PvE aspect than release one that is a quarter assed.

Lord_Ephraim posted...

Better to just gut the PvE aspect than release one that is a quarter assed.

But they still released one... that wasn't that great.

Are they planning to make any other updates, since PvE is gone?

Because you touch yourself at night

A large portion of the downvotes come from China. Chinese players have been cut off from Blizzard games (except Diablo Immortal) because their deal with NetEase fell through.

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No, you keep what you had. But you can no longer progressively earn loot boxes by playing. There's a battlepass, but it's pretty limited even on the paid side. To an extent, it really removed an incentive to play.

Not releasing the PVE sucks, but honestly, the PVE would have sucked. It already sucks

Overwatch veteran here to answer your questions. Not an Overwatch Stan either, took a 3-year break between Overwatch 1 and 2.

Aztex posted...

People down voted it to death a few months ago after they decided to no longer do the story thing which was the main selling point for the game

Basically this, also the cosmetic system is way more BS loot boxes ever were. Playing Overwatch 1 you could buy $20 worth of loot boxes and get 3-5 legendary skins now they charge you $20 for each of those skins.

TroutPaste posted...

Are they planning to make any other updates, since PvE is gone?

They've been updating Overwatch 2 since it came out. It's getting monthly updates with new heroes, new maps, hero balancing, and other new content.

In summary:
Despite the hate it's gotten, Overwatch 2 is easily the best multiplayer hero shooter ever. The biggest change from Overwatch 1 to 2 is how it's gone from 6v6 to 5v5. This means the game doesn't require you to have Korean level skill to process all the information the game throws at you. In simpler terms, that's one less hero to damage, one less hero to heal, one less tank to drag out stalemates, one less ultimate attack to worry about, and less visual clutter and less stuns.

A 5v5 format is also way easier to balance. The community that actually does play and enjoy OverWatch all agree that the game has been really healthy and hasn't had a dominant meta.

Only issue I've run across is people can be pretty toxic to tanks since there's only one now and it's easy to blame them. I turned off all voice chat because the new ping system lets you coordinate without use of voice chat.

Loot boxes suck but they were replaced by things so much worse. With the look boxes you could earn boxes playing the game. You could buy skins with currency from dupes. Now most things are extremely overpriced and only available in the cash shop. Other stuff is from grindy battle passes which you also have to pay for to get access to most things. New characters are locked to the battle pass or else wait months and do some challenges later to try and unlock them.

Most of the PvE was cancelled and what's left are small missions sold at ridiculous prices because you can't buy them alone you have to buy them with overpriced currency bundles.

"I don't understand why everyone hates Enron. They're an electricity utility, electricity is good, right?"

Because they only put it on steam after they murdered it in a desperate attempt to grab some more players.

My roommate played a ton of OW1 and his complaints was that they got rid of a game he paid for, replaced it with a different game with less stuff, threw in an assload of micro transactions and then scraped the one thing they used to justify replacing OW1.

He did qualify this by saying that OW2 might very well play better than OW1 but he doesn't know because he won't play and never will because Blizzard doesn't deserve to be rewarded for their bullshit.

Overwatch 2 doesn't deserve the hate it gets. sure there's no single player mode, but the gameplay is still pretty solid.

Sir_Will posted...

Loot boxes suck but they were replaced by things so much worse. With the look boxes you could earn boxes playing the game. You could buy skins with currency from dupes. Now most things are extremely overpriced and only available in the cash shop. Other stuff is from grindy battle passes which you also have to pay for to get access to most things. New characters are locked to the battle pass or else wait months and do some challenges later to try and unlock them.

All true about the loot boxes being better and the cash shop being way worse.

But the battle pass is not grindy at all. I've purchased it every season and finished the entire thing easily including the pointless post pass rewards that give you lame rewards like titles. I don't play but a few times a week, some weeks I would be too busy to play but once.

I used to get Call of Duty and Fortnite battle passes. I stopped getting the Call of Duty ones because they had awful rewards and the Fortnite one made me hate the game with the excessive amount of time required to put into finish every battle pass. Basically gave me no time to play anything else.

Also saying new characters are locked to the battle pass is kind of deceptive because it's always part of the free battle pass. They are always unlocked less than halfway through.

pve sucks which is to be expected, but they didn't even have the talents which was basically the only thing that gave it any chance of being good

dioxxys posted...

But the battle pass is not grindy at all.

nah dude that shit takes forever. i play the game super casually almost every other day and it takes a fucking eternity to get shit on the battle pass. it might be less shit than other battle passes but it's still pretty damn bad

dioxxys posted...

The community that actually does play and enjoy OverWatch all agree that the game has been really healthy and hasn't had a dominant meta.

the game has had hero dominance a lot but blizzard is at least a lot quicker to nerf things hard. it thankfully never had like goats, triple tank, mercy meta, or double shield. at worst they have some tanks be too dominant for a bit too long or sombra being miserable to fight

Compsognathus posted...

replaced it with a different game with less stuff

does one less player per team and no 2cp (a universally hated mode) really outweigh the new maps, heroes, and modes? honest question, i just play super casually. having to upgrade your battle pass to use content you've already unlocked is super stupid and ruins any sense of progression

Illuminoius posted...

ah dude that shit takes forever. i play the game super casually almost every other day and it takes a fucking eternity to get shit on the battle pass. it might be less shit than other battle passes but it's still pretty bad

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Almost every other day? Sounds like you shouldn't have a problem. Do you only play quick play? I exclusively play competitive and always queue for whatever role gives bonus XP

Also this is very reminiscent to me of people even having issues even with overwatch 1 loot boxes back in the day. I think it really helps to have played multiple games with similar systems so you have something to compare and contrast.

The few developers who are left on the team don't really know what they're doing. New maps are almost universally hated. Glaringly obvious problems around balancing, especially from their design decision of switching to 5v5 went unaddressed for way to long. The monetization of their storefront is full of scummy and predatory practices and the price of their skins is ridiculously excessive.

The first Overwatch in the first years was so fucking good. I dont think people realize how fucking good it was. The sequel is trash, they gutted the heart and soul from the game and made it lifeless.

I tried jumping into Overwatch 2, but the tutorial did not really explain things, so I quit right after.

Because Blizzard sucks as a company. Theyd rather fuck over the community and developers to make an extra dollar.

They're rather soulless now.

Overwatch as a game is really great at its core though. The recent patch was a great one, but they've still taken out more good than they added since the F2P update

The way they balance the game is just atrocious.

boomgetchopped3 posted...

The first Overwatch in the first years was so fucking good. I dont think people realize how fucking good it was. The sequel is trash, they gutted the heart and soul from the game and made it lifeless.

It's the same exact game but better (minus the microtransactions)

refmon posted...

The way they balance the game is just atrocious.

Huh but yet 85% of the roster is viable up to grandmasters?

I'm not personally grandmaster level but I I'm always up to date with tier lists made every season from grandmaster content creators and they regularly talk about how satisfied they are with the balance of the game.

Sure a lot of them are skeptical at first (ahem Flats) but then the changes end up being healthy for the game.

Nerf Orisa.

BroodRyu posted...

Nerf Orisa.

She's pretty easy to shut down with Zarya. It's easy to bait her cooldowns and beam even hurts her through baton spin. She can't spam her projectiles either because she'll just give you high energy as long as you time your bubbles properly. Then you can just lob energy grenades over her at her backline.

It was a game that was sold on single-player content being the reason why they had to create a sequel instead of just creating more content for the first Overwatch. Then they canceled 98% of the single player content, and then fucked over their Chinese fan base.

Alucard188 posted...

It was a game that was sold on single-player content being the reason why they had to create a sequel instead of just creating more content for the first Overwatch. Then they canceled 98% of the single player content, and then fucked over their Chinese fan base.

But it is just more content for the first Overwatch. We can talk all day about microtransactions, which have been an issue since Day 1 of OW1, but it's really just an update that makes you download a new client. If they didn't use the number 2, it would be indistinguishable from major changes made to other long-running multiplayer games. I always got the impression that was all it was, but maybe that's just me.

Because the game is trash. It's basically Overwatch 1 with 5v5 instead of 6v6. That's it. New characters were routinely introduced, they literally removed 2 cap which had 4 levels, then introduced Push, and now Flashpoint, which is extremely boring and far too big. They basically made the game a walking simulator now, since getting to any area requires you walking nearly the distance of an entire escort map, time and time again.

Then they started charging for skins that used to be free, completely destroy and remove character utilities, like Roadhog is now unplayable, because they nerfed him so hard, he contributes nothing, same for Rein.

They made a game specifically for the Overwatch League, and decided that casual players don't matter. Now that the Overwatch League is likely dead, where will they go? The game may end up dead by next summer, who knows.

As someone who still plays, my biggest issue is that there's 1 tank. So if you roll a team with someone who's bad at tank, it's gg. You can still win with 1 bad DPS or bad support, but you can't win with a bad tank. They're either just straight feeding the other team, or contributing nothing, or both. If they're off fucking around as D.Va, Ball, Winston, Hog or Rein, you're fucked. The only saving grace is unless someone is popping off on your team extending the game, it may end quickly. But if it's a close game and you look at your tank with 12 deaths and 2k damage and you barely lose, it can be annoying.

dioxxys posted...

It's the same exact game but better (minus the microtransactions)

Even Overwatch 1 wasnt the same exact game as itself.

word, this update was laughable at best. if anything, it felt like a downgrade...

I don't like to run around and then some holographic dragon comes through the wall and one hits me.

I fucked right off and uninstalled after a few more of these bullshit deaths