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By new I mean gen 6 to the present. I just picked up where I left off with gen 5.

Did something else change when they went 3D? Apparently it's all gimmicks that get dropped at the end of the generation, paid DLC, no challenge or postgame.
What happened? Were there ups and downs or has the series been on a ten year downhill?

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ups and downs
gen 7 and 9 are alright
6 and 8 are complete utter garbage

I've all around enjoyed the 3D era of Pokemon. Except X and Y, I didn't like those.

It says the gen 6 starters didn't get megas, even though they were meant to be headlining that gen.
Gens 1 and 3 got megas. And then they took the mask off and gave Charizard two megas.

I don't know how I feel about Megas on the whole. It's like legendaries with no hold items. It's kinda nice when they give it to shit like Mawile, Beedrill, Sableye. But then they give it to Metagross and Salamence as if they'd been waiting for gen 6 to pluck them from mediocrity.

Man, and I was making fun of Kyurem the other day for being some lame dude in a remote location at the end of White, but at least he's on the front of BW2.
Did this Zygarde dude ever get anything good?

zygarde didn't get anything until gen 7 and even then it was a sidequest, mon got utterly shafted

Nightmare_Luna posted...

zygarde didn't get anything until gen 7 and even then it was a sidequest, mon got utterly shafted

That's kind of funny, kind of terrible.
I'd be laughing more if he wasn't taking a back seat to recycled gen 1 legendaries.

I've enjoyed the 3D games... They've introduced a lot of Pokemon that I love and I like most of the regions (Not a fan of Kalos but it's not my least favorite)... Spend a massive amount of time farming Dynamax/Tera Raids and Outbreaks...

Also the paid DLCs have only been for Gen 8 and 9 and so far I've thought they were good... Isle of Armor and Crown Tundra were great (and gave us an easy way to farm for shiny legendaries/UBs from past games) and so far the SV DLC look fun... I'm hyped for the Teal Mask DLC in a couple weeks...

Question about the newest ones.
The Switch consoles have multiple profiles right?
If I was to get a Switch and have a couple of profiles on it, could I keep multiple saves on the same Pokemon game on one console?

Because someone briefly lent me one two years ago and it really seemed like that sort of thing was possible.

ViewtifulJoe posted...

Question about the newest ones.
The Switch consoles have multiple profiles right?
If I was to get a Switch and have a couple of profiles on it, could I keep multiple saves on the same Pokemon game on one console?

Because someone briefly lent me one two years ago and it really seemed like that sort of thing was possible.

Yea, you could do that... The only limitation is that you couldn't trade yourself or transfer every profile to Home...

They wanted to make pokemon games easier for kids with gen 6. BW had some hard gym fights, and GF realized that kids that play games are different than when we were kids. The games aren't made for you. If you want a true opinion ask a young kid what they think about the pokemon games.

PS the real change is that its easier to overlevel. Gym leader teams are still hard if you go in a little underleveled.

Ubergeneral3 posted...

They wanted to make pokemon games easier for kids with gen 6. BW had some hard gym fights, and GF realized that kids that play games are different than when we were kids. The games aren't made for you. If you want a true opinion ask a young kid what they think about the pokemon games.

PS the real change is that its easier to overlevel. Gym leader teams are still hard if you go in a little underleveled.

That makes sense.
What's the new way people are playing Pokemon though? I noticed they added trainer customisation, is it something to do with that?

Isle of Armor in gen 8 was great. Crown Tundra was awful aside from the legendary raids.

there was never any challenge

Illuminoius posted...

there was never any challenge

Well in the main game, sure.
But they'd sometimes put in a bunch of bonus areas for people who liked getting victimised by Brightpowder and Quick Claws. I used to have more patience for them.

And now they've got these new mechanics where your Pokemon tanks a STAB Roar of Time because it likes you enough. Forced EXP Shares in some of the games too.

Don't get me wrong I liked the KOTOR system where the whole party levels together, but like another post said it sounds easier than ever to end up with an enormous level advantage.

Illuminoius posted...

there was never any challenge

Which is why it didn't need to get even easier.

ViewtifulJoe posted...

It says the gen 6 starters didn't get megas, even though they were meant to be headlining that gen.
Gens 1 and 3 got megas. And then they took the mask off and gave Charizard two megas.

I don't know how I feel about Megas on the whole. It's like legendaries with no hold items. It's kinda nice when they give it to shit like Mawile, Beedrill, Sableye. But then they give it to Metagross and Salamence as if they'd been waiting for gen 6 to pluck them from mediocrity.

Poor Flygon. Poster boy for needs a mega and gets shafted in favor of some pokes getting two.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Poor Flygon. Poster boy for needs a mega and gets shafted in favor of some pokes getting two.

I think giving lesser Pokemon busted abilities was the way to handle it. Make them more interesting instead of flat out stronger. Give Bellossom Wonder Guard. It'll be funny.

The megas are cool but I feel like if each team gets something with uber stats and the inability to hold an item, the whole team needs to be built around hedging the mega's bets as much as possible. No item + a giant target painted on it now that it's turned mega and revealed itself as the core of the team. These Z-Moves seem like the same kind of idea, a big, one-per-match brute force button for each player.

Nightmare_Luna posted...

zygarde didn't get anything until gen 7 and even then it was a sidequest, mon got utterly shafted

The Gigaleak showed there was a Pokemon Z in development, but they scrapped it. They just kinda cut and paste everything into Pokemon Sun and Moon

Most 3D gens were 2 steps forward 1 step back.

Gen 6 suffered because it was still designed with the intention of making Z, a third version to improve on the firsts. So the games almost feel "incomplete."

The remakes of R/S were ok. They implemented later pokemon in a really cool way, the story event with the legendaries caused a migration so new pokemon appeared around the map and you could go hunt them. But it didn't bring back stuff from Emerald like previous remakes had.

Gen 7 improved on it a lot. The pokemon roster was better, the characters and story were better, and the region was better. And it kept mega evolution, but it was only in the post game. The big downside was it had the worst rival in the series, but the secondary rival was one of the best. They also got the awful idea to split the "third version" into two games this time around. There was another horrible change, there was no national dex. You could still import older pokemon, but they didn't have dex entries. This was a 100% negative change, because they could still have limited online tournaments and getting the shiny charm to the regional dex anyway.

Gen 7 rounded out with Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee. These were deliberately simplified, and were really well designed and fun for what they were. They added in a couple story beats to tie in with later games, mega evolution and move tutors were available, and the games just looked great. The master trainers and Red were a fantastic challenge. However, these were certainly not a standard pokemon game. If you wanted the next step in the series, this wasn't it. Also, exp share became permanent.

Gen 8 is where the games lost far more than they improved. The region sucked, they lost gimmicks and added a much worse one, and of course dexit happened. They straight up limited the roster, not all pokemon were included. Gamefreak lied and told us this was done to improve models and animations, but both of those things were identical or worse. Nothing of value was gained from this terrible, awful design choice. The DLC improved it a bit, but it's still a low point for the series.

BDSP is weird. It was excessively "faithful" to the originals in bad ways, and brought up to modern standards in bad ways. Took nothing from Platinum, the same sin ORAS made. There was a couple cool new things, like the new underground, but they don't mean much. Ironically, there was a menu storage glitch that made the game infinitely better. If you can somehow find someone with update 1.1.1 to match versions with, it's probably the best Pokemon game on the Switch.

Legends Arceus was finally good. The single player is the best the franchise has ever been. The region is so much fun to explore. We're already used to a limited roster, and this is the game where there was finally some payoff for it: Pokemon have actual behaviors programmed in. The downside is that multiplayer is scrapped.

Scarlet and Violet are a mixed bag. The world, characters, story, pokemon roster, basically everything remotely related to gameplay is dramatically improved from SwSh. Terestalization is a good gimmick. But it's a glitchy mess. It just straight up runs bad because of time constraints. But underneath all of that is a really good game.

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Legends Arceus was finally good. The single player is the best the franchise has ever been. The region is so much fun to explore. We're already used to a limited roster, and this is the game where there was finally some payoff for it: Pokemon have actual behaviors programmed in. The downside is that multiplayer is scrapped.

I'd kind of like to try this one.
It really looks like the kind of game where you tolerate a lot of cutscenes and talking on the first go because it's fun, but then when it's maxed out it's hard to revisit.
Like Colosseum though, it's different and being offbeat has kept me revisiting Colosseum for two decades, so I want to give it the benefit of the doubt.

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Scarlet and Violet are a mixed bag. The world, characters, story, pokemon roster, basically everything remotely related to gameplay is dramatically improved from SwSh. Terestalization is a good gimmick. But it's a glitchy mess. It just straight up runs bad because of time constraints. But underneath all of that is a really good game.

The fact they make you play as a student made me assume this one was for first timers too.
Being free to ride around the world, grabbing up Rare Candies and a shopping list of items seems like fun though. Gyms in any order is nice too.
Not sure what I think of tera. Seems hard to plan for.
Paradox Pokemon are cool though.

Played S/V and loved it. Still play it today. I had originally skipped Sw/Sh but decided to go back and play it. Boy was that a mistake. Bad game.

ViewtifulJoe posted...

I'd kind of like to try this one.
It really looks like the kind of game where you tolerate a lot of cutscenes and talking on the first go because it's fun, but then when it's maxed out it's hard to revisit.
Like Colosseum though, it's different and being offbeat has kept me revisiting Colosseum for two decades, so I want to give it the benefit of the doubt.

The cutscenes are pretty heavy in the beginning and then again near the end. Otherwise it's not that bad. I definitely recommend it to anyone that likes catching and exploring, it's a high point of the series.

ViewtifulJoe posted...

The fact they make you play as a student made me assume this one was for first timers too.
Being free to ride around the world, grabbing up Rare Candies and a shopping list of items seems like fun though. Gyms in any order is nice too.
Not sure what I think of tera. Seems hard to plan for.
Paradox Pokemon are cool though.

They make almost every game beginner focused. A couple of the higher level (fully optional) classes in the school might actually help people that have been playing awhile. Like, if you're ready to start moving from casual to competitive it could actually be useful.

The multiplayer is also fantastic if you've got friends. If you play together with opposite versions, you can catch their version exclusives in your game.