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Can Nazis peacefully assemble or is their assembly violent by default?

Legally, yes.

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By definition they cannot.

No, they can't. Them assembling is violence

As long as there is no out-group in the assembly, but an out-group somewhere else they can all agree needs to be... dealt with, then yes.

Even bad people can wear a peaceful mask when with like-minded others. So that they can group up in their beliefs that someone who is not them should be... disposed of.

I think its absurd to not see literal nazism as a pretty good demonstration of "fighting words". If the intent to genocide people isn't a fighting word, nothing is.

No, because nazism is a direct threat to anyone and everyone that isn't a part of their ideals.

CoyoteTheGreat posted...

I think its absurd to not see literal nazism as a pretty good demonstration of "fighting words". If the intent to genocide people isn't a fighting word, nothing is.

Absolutely, but our laws are real fuckin dumb, so we get nazis.

If the police themselves didn't have Nazis or sympathizers in the force tear gas and pepper spray should be used everytime.

no

The whole point of them assembling is them calling to murder everyone who they think isn't worthwhile, which, using their standards, is most of the people on the planet.

Technically yes from a legal standpoint, but people generally know otherwise.

One of those wonderful situations where you can't do anything about something that clearly had a different motive. Sarcasm in the by the way.

Nazis can't peacefully do anything

You cannot have peaceful Nazism.

Nazi ideology requires violence. Which is why the authorities should treat them as banned terrorist organisations, with severe penalties for membership, support, distribution of materials and insignia.

This topic wasnt made in bad faith or anything.

CoyoteTheGreat posted...

I think its absurd to not see literal nazism as a pretty good demonstration of "fighting words". If the intent to genocide people isn't a fighting word, nothing is.

Shows how selectively enforced "fighting words" is.

rexcrk posted...

This topic wasnt made in bad faith or anything.

What's the issue exactly?

I am of the opinion that if Nazis gather the public duty is to extinguish them.

It's impossible to "peacefully assemble" a group whose goal is to wipe Jews from the face of the Earth.

Legally yes but actually no

MorbidFaithless posted...

I am of the opinion that if Nazis gather the public duty is to extinguish them.

In a just world, we wouldn't even have had to worry about Nazis after WWII.

It's appalling that America put far more effort in fighting communists and alleged-communists within its borders than it did fighting off Nazis within the country.

Legally yes. Morally? No. Should there be a provision in the constitution that prevents the assembly of groups whose ideology is simply 'I hate people who are black, or gay, or trans, etc.'? Absolutely.

Remember,

It is your legal and moral duty to punch a Nazi.

Doubly so if you call yourself a patriot.

Conceivably, I suppose, but in practice violence tends to follow them

Nazis promote an ideology of violence and hatred.

Anytime they organize in public should be treated as an act of violence and beating the shit out of them as self defense.

Yes, all horrible people have that right in America. When we their very being is a evil and violent.

They are litetally walking hate speech which is known to not be protected.

no. their end goal is to exterminate anyone they dont agree with. its always right to punch a nazi

Any time you punch a Nazi it's self defense

This is an interesting philosophical thing because while the assembly itself may lack violence, their ideas are innately violent, they despise free speech, their use of it is simply taking advantage of it so they may later destroy it, and their "ideas" should not be argued with or acknowledged as they are liars who do not care about truth.

It's a good case example in which them participating in a "debate" at all implies an equal ground between them are their opponent when this simply cannot be the case based on their views of the world, meaning a debate is a farce that only elevates their position by simply being there. At the minimum, they should be ignored, or counter-protested in a way where counter-protesters have ways to defend themselves.

I don't know how I feel about government laws restricting these groups because I think it can be rife for abuse, but I understand why they tend to be outlawed in a lot of countries.

Yes they can still keep race

WingsOfGood posted...

They are litetally walking hate speech which is known to not be protected.

Im no more approving of neo-Nazi hate speech than any other rational person, but this is generally false so far as the first amendment is concerned

"We are here today to peacefully call for the extermination of x, y and z groups of people. I repeat, we would like to peacefully eradicate millions of people!"

See how that makes no fucking sense?

Their ideology is inherently non-peaceful.

Even if they're not assaulting people or destroying property, they are talking about killing and eradicating populations from society or at the very least the vehement desire to do so as an inherent part of their belief system.

Solar_Crimson posted...

In a just world, we wouldn't even have had to worry about Nazis after WWII.

It's appalling that America put far more effort in fighting communists and alleged-communists within its borders than it did fighting off Nazis within the country.

And still does to this day.

Zero_Destroyer posted...

I don't know how I feel about government laws restricting these groups because I think it can be rife for abuse, but I understand why they tend to be outlawed in a lot of countries.

I think a pretty safe line that I've concluded is no political party that would have taxpayers literally pay for their own oppression should be a democratically viable party.

Take the LGBTQ community in FL, for example. These people are literally funding their own oppression at the hands of DeSantis and his Christo-fascists via their tax dollars. Having someone literally fund their own oppression is just one step away from having them then dig their own grave, with the encouraged suicide of the communities the Christo-fascists seek to hurt definitely being part of their objective. Through their legislation they hope to eradicate these marginalized groups from society either by shoving them back into the closet or ushering them into a pine box. Either way I don't see how a government and country can let a party that would do that to its own citizens be considered legitimate.

If they could they wouldn't be (neo) nazis.

yeah, in the courtroom