Current Events > Any reason to differentiate anti flu & covid shot people from antivaxxers?

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The TC in the CDC topic blocked me

Anyway, I don't see a logical reason to differentiate people who refuse the flu or covid vaccines from any other antivaxxers.

Statical outliers aside who genuinely cannot get em.

A distinction without difference.

They're one and the same.

Kinda like saying you're not racist because you don't hate all other races, just one or two of them.

There was a guy making an argument that he wasn't an antivaxxer but he refuses the flu and covid shots so

I guess one group is people who don't want it, the other doesn't want anyone to have it.

pedro45 posted...

I guess one group is people who don't want it, the other doesn't want anyone to have it.

Why differentiate these two groups even?

Will_VIII posted...

There was a guy making an argument that he wasn't an antivaxxer but he refuses the flu and covid shots so

If you want to call me out, call me out. I'm not anti vax because I don't believe my healthy self needs flu and covid shots every year. I took the initial double jab, my kids are up to date. Maybe when I'm old and decrepit I'll think about yearly boosters but as it stands now, fuck that.

There is a difference, but I'm not sure it's worth differentiating. My aunt has been an anti-vaxxer since 2011 because her grandson was born with autism. She is completely convinced that vaccines are what caused it.

The recent anti-vaxxers are mostly the fault of the Maga crowd, but their reasons for hating vaccines are equally as stupid. So different reasons, but still bad reasons

Nope.

voldothegr8 posted...

If you want to call me out, call me out. I'm not anti vax because I don't believe my healthy self needs flu and covid shots every year. I took the initial double jab, my kids are up to date. Maybe when I'm old and decrepit I'll think about yearly boosters but as it stands now, fuck that.

You're the reason covid is endemic. Your refusal of a vaccine objectively makes you an antivaxxer.

voldothegr8 posted...

If you want to call me out, call me out. I'm not anti vax because I don't believe my healthy self needs flu and covid shots every year. I took the initial double jab, my kids are up to date. Maybe when I'm old and decrepit I'll think about yearly boosters but as it stands now, fuck that.

You're anti vax because you either never took a biology class, or you flunked out of one.

Because healthy people somehow don't spread it

Will_VIII posted...

You're the reason covid is endemic. Your refusal of a vaccine objectively makes you an antivaxxer.

ooger posted...

You're anti vax because you either never took a biology class, or you flunked out of one.

Careful now, all this heartless bullying will just make him more anti-vax (but still not actually anti-vax, according to him).

If you are just going to group people who get vaccines but not certain ones and you want to express that: you are really just encouraging people to not get vaccinated at all.

Next question is do you do this IRL or is this an online thing only?

Dathrowed1 posted...

If you are just going to group people who get vaccines but not certain ones and you want to express that: you are really just encouraging people to not get vaccinated at all.

Next question is do you do this IRL or is this an online thing only?

What even is this nonsense?

Strong "Look at what you made me (not) do!" energy here

If you don't want to make a distinction, don't. Who cares?

Really going after people who don't get the flu vaccine now? This is part of the reason 261 got shut down. People get more and more unhinged.

chaos_knight posted...

Really going after people who don't get the flu vaccine now? This is part of the reason 261 got shut down. People get more and more unhinged.

Vaccines are political? That's what sounds unhinged to me.

chaos_knight posted...

Really going after people who don't get the flu vaccine now? This is part of the reason 261 got shut down. People get more and more unhinged.

Well, you are friends with FSB, who set up a MAGA board that got shut down due to cheering on a domestic terrorist event.

ooger posted...

Well, you are friends with FSB, who set up a MAGA board that got shut down due to cheering on a domestic terrorist event.

Oh, LOL

Will_VIII posted...

Vaccines are political? That's what sounds unhinged to me.

At this point they actually are to a degree.

chaos_knight posted...

At this point they actually are to a degree.

I wasn't aware viruses cared about political affiliation

Not based on the rhetoric and beliefs they use

ooger posted...

Well, you are friends with FSB, who set up a MAGA board that got shut down due to cheering on a domestic terrorist event.

Know what? I was friends with him on AIM way back in the 2000s. He was cool for the time I posted on WoT. Didn't follow him on that MAGA board because I never updated my list outside of who I'd ignore. Which on 261 was a lot of users.

Will_VIII posted...

I wasn't aware viruses cared about political affiliation

don't be obtuse. the 'politics' are about whether people should do something for the benefit of the collective over the individual.

people on the left generally believe folks should get these shots to 'slow the spread', even if someone isn't concerned with getting the virus themselves, because slowing the spread of the viruses generally benefits the collective.

people on the right tend to favor the personal choice, and don't believe the 'collective benefit' outweighs their right to decide what to put into their bodes.

chaos_knight posted...

At this point they actually are to a degree.

Well, you're not as wrong as you should be: if Covid had the sentience to give a political endorsement, it would most certainly vote Republican.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

'slow the spread'

Why is this in quotations?

chaos_knight posted...

Know what? I was friends with him on AIM way back in the 2000s. He was cool for the time I posted on WoT. Didn't follow him on that MAGA board because I never updated my list outside of who I'd ignore. Which on 261 was a lot of users.

Was he really into Timothy McVeigh back then too?

Will_VIII posted...

Why is this in quotations?

to group those words together as a singular thought. i wasn't doing that as "air quotes" to cast doubt or speculation. sorry for the unclear communication

Prob no reason. Ill just be anti vaxx for now

ooger posted...

Was he really into Timothy McVeigh back then too?

Don't think so. He just got drunk and shitposted on WoT a lot.

I do feel people should take vaccines when there are proven benefits. Such as the COVID and flu vaccines. That isn't in doubt at all. It helps save lives. Vaccines have been amazing over the years. Look at polio ffs if you need any more proof they are a net good.

Now this might still be up for debate. And rightly so because even now the evidence is still being considered by top scientists. But I feel based on what we've seen something as ubiquitous as COVID is very very hard to stop transmission of entirely and I firmly believe the priority should now be on protecting those most vulnerable to it. I believe the same to be true of the flu and any transmissible disease that is going to affect vulnerable people. This is why in the UK the care home issue was such a disgusting fuck up in my mind where people with COVID who went into hospital were sent back to care homes with known COVID and you hear stories of entire elderly care places being decimated. That's not cool at all.

To me one of the key factors on the macro level for getting the vaccine during the height of the pandemic is to reduce the load on health services and stop us being overrun. You don't want the hospital beds full of people who would be ok had they had the vaccine taking spaces from those who genuinely need it. Now this is up for debate but I personally don't feel like you could ever stop COVID entirely. It's a global pandemic and whether we got hit during the pandemic or a few years later when everything had opened up it was going to spread eventually. The places there were very zero tolerance on COVID eventually got hit and still suffered deaths. The importance was getting as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible to reduce the amount of people having COVID at once and to slow the spread more than stopping it outright. That way if people did get sick - and you can still get COVID and die despite being vaccinated or not in a "at risk category" so it's not limited to vulnerable people here - that there would be the resources available to help you. If it's running rampant that just increases the risk you won't be able to be cared for.

So in my mind the situation of taking the vaccine during the pandemic and taking it now are miles apart. I was for forcing people to take the vaccine then. I still think most people should take the vaccine because you never know who you are going to come into contact with. People who work with vulnerable people should still be forced to take COVID and FLU shots every year. Everyone else should be free to chose but I would heavily hope they would because you don't know who you will come into contact with.

People just need to be fucking considerate. Sadly something that's missing in the modern world and its not just a US issue. I'm from the UK and it happens here as well. Some people will just not take it purely because they are asked to. That depresses the fuck out of me.

I know quite a few people who 100% believe in vaccines and have no issues getting them but dont get yearly flu shots. I knew lots of co-workers, friends, and family who dont get yearly flu-shots but absolutely jumped at the opportunity to get the Covid vaccine. To me there is absolutely differences between anti-vaxxers and people who dont get yearly flu shots. I wouldnt group them together.

Regular user bait topic.

Imagine thinking flu vaccine is as important as polio, hepatitis or tetanus vaccines.

archizzy posted...

I know quite a few people who 100% believe in vaccines and have no issues getting them but dont get yearly flu shots. I knew lots of co-workers, friends, and family who dont get yearly flu-shots but absolutely jumped at the opportunity to get the Covid vaccine. To me there is absolutely differences between anti-vaxxers and people who dont get yearly flu shots. I wouldnt group them together.

Exactly. It's just people on GameFAQs are far more terrified of Omicron compared to literally every other demographic for some reason. These topics keep getting more and more extreme and fueled with anger.

archizzy posted...

I know quite a few people who 100% believe in vaccines and have no issues getting them but dont get yearly flu shots. I knew lots of co-workers, friends, and family who dont get yearly flu-shots but absolutely jumped at the opportunity to get the Covid vaccine. To me there is absolutely differences between anti-vaxxers and people who dont get yearly flu shots. I wouldnt group them together.

Those tend not to be people who refuse to get the flu vaccine.

The TC specifically said refuse and that's a different attitude compared to just not bothering with getting the yearly shot.

chaos_knight posted...

This is part of the reason 261 got shut down.

No it isn't.

They're the same thing. The only exception to not getting a vaccine is if you have an allergic reaction to one or more of them. Not bullshit logic from plague rats who think they have a firm grasp at medical science

Enclave posted...

Those tend not to be people who refuse to get the flu vaccine.

The TC specifically said refuse and that's a different attitude compared to just not bothering with getting the yearly shot.

Yeah apathy or forgetfulness =\= refusal

yes there are many reasons

Are they any different? Every person I know who was opposed to the COVID or flu vaccines is also fully on the "vaccines cause autism" or "vaccines let Bill Gates track us" trains. So no.

potdnewb posted...

yes there are many reasons

Please continue

Will_VIII posted...

Please continue

antivaxers dont get there children immunized with vaccines for diseases that have a much longer track record for being highly effective like polio, measles, rubella, chicken pox, etc.

I just booked an appointment for me and my fiance to get boosted next week. I want to be protected for our wedding.

GregsMedley blocked you?

potdnewb posted...

antivaxers dont get there children immunized with vaccines for diseases that have a much longer track record for being highly effective like polio, measles, rubella, chicken pox, etc.

The comparison here is more like a cheese pizza and a supreme pizza.

There's a difference for sure but at the end of the day they're both pizzas.

bsp77 posted...

I just booked an appointment for me and my fiance to get boosted next week. I want to be protected for our wedding.

GregsMedley blocked you?

Yeah he did

I rarely get the flu shot just due to not being willing to bother. If there was a flu pandemic going around I'd get it just to be safe and help protect others but I've literally never gotten the flu(or at least have been asymptomatic everytime I have had it.) The wife and kids get the flu shot every year though.

Will_VIII posted...

Yeah he did

Why? You seemed to be on the same page about it...

Will_VIII posted...

The comparison here is more like a cheese pizza and a supreme pizza.

There's a difference for sure but at the end of the day they're both pizzas.

based on your very poor analogy you clearly have no desire to see the reasons why they are clearly different