Current Events > I just got genuinely pissed at work with a Religious person

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Dreepapult posted...

When you die you are simply asleep until the resurrection for the end times.

Like asleep asleep, or like your cease to exist as a continuous sentient being and if you were cool while alive, God creates a perfect copy of you to exist in His paradise for some obscure reason? I've met a few people who believed in this version of the afterlife, but none of them could answer this question. They just got mad and pulled a "we aren't meant to understand".

Dark_Arbron posted...

Im still not sure where the popular image of angels as beautiful humans with wings came from. Arent they supposed to look like abominations?

Angels frequently take human form in the Bible. More often than not, actually. We only see their "Biblically accurate" form in the visions of the prophets iirc

Dreepapult posted...

Is he being funny or is he being serious? Hard to tell with garrison sometimes

I think it's meant as a sincere tribute but who knows? The inner workings of Ben Garrison's mind are an enigma.

That's what you were mad at? Her rationalizing Kobe's death?

I was expecting that your coworker was using religion as a smokescreen for bigotry or that maybe they had said that Trump was God's chosen leader for America.

Yes, we believe in another life after this one. Maybe you could argue that nullifies tragedy because they're being moved from one plain of existence to another. But death still hurts. It still leaves an emptiness in the people that are left behind. The dead are dead to this world and no amount of dogma changes that.

As an atheist who grew up in a religious Southern Baptist community, everyone has their way of dealing with grief like someone's death. I mean I agree with you it's a very stupid train of thought, but in my opinion, you're over-reacting because I don't think they meant it with any ill will. When it comes to stuff like this, I always look at the intention and I believe she was only trying to find the "silver lining" the "trying to make sense" out of a sudden death like Kobe's. Of course that's my two cents, I don't know her personally so she could be a total bitch and meant what she said in a terrible way.

Razor posted...

He actually dictated it to his secretary, so any mistakes and such in the Bible are actually her fault for misinterpreting his divine word.

But seriously, the Bible was written by man and has been edited and changed so many fuckin times. Who knows which versions are the closest to his will or what about the books that were left out? The important thing is to have a personal relationship with God or your Higher power in a way that works for you. Or in most of your cases, just don't give a shit about it at all.

Seriously, for an omnipotent being who is supposedly "All Knowing", he sure used one of the most unreliable ways to get his message across that can be interpreted in soo many ways that now we have over hundreds of different sects in the Christian religion alone. That's not to mention the hassle of translating the texts accurately and in good faith hundreds of other languages. I'm still open to the idea of an intelligent designer, but I can say in good faith it's definitely not the Judeo Christian God from the holy texts like the Bible, Torah, or Quran.

hockeybub89 posted...

"God killed a child in a horrific helicopter crash because he needed angels. God is pure good btw."

Is this a reference to The Twilight Zone movie?

Dark_Arbron posted...

But at least they havent started doing it with actors yet. Or worse, reality TV hosts.

There's a reality TV host that's had a book written about him being the literal messiah.

It's hogwash, but there are people, I guess, worshipping him.

Razor posted...

But seriously, the Bible was written by man and has been edited and changed so many f***in times. Who knows which versions are the closest to his will or what about the books that were left out?

The Muslims answer that with their book being perfect and unchanged. Not even allowed to translate it (only "interpretations" into other languages). It was handed down and repeated verbatim.from one to the next, and then written down exactly as it was told to them.

They don't have that nasty little translation/linguistic problem, according to their doctrine.

DnDer posted...

Is this a reference to The Twilight Zone movie?

There's a reality TV host that's had a book written about him being the literal messiah.

It's hogwash, but there are people, I guess, worshipping him.

The Muslims answer that with their book being perfect and unchanged. Not even allowed to translate it (only "interpretations" into other languages). It was handed down and repeated verbatim.from one to the next, and then written down exactly as it was told to them.

They don't have that nasty little translation/linguistic problem, according to their doctrine.

That's an interesting point and I almost brought it up myself. But what you say reminds me of that game you play as a child, telephone. Where you start at one end and say a sentence and see how it changes as the message gets passed on? I know I didn't describe that well but you prolly know what I mean.

So imagine passing on an entire book from memory down the line, year after year. You know that Islamic people actually developed their Arabic written language specifically so they could write down the Quran and share it more easily? It's actually kinda cool, I had a buddy who was muslim and I read his English Quran quite a bit. Imams are expected to memorize the entire book and serious Muslims that do so are held in high regard.

At any rate I don't doubt their book stays truer to the original source material than the Bible, which has been changed over and over.

yeah, hell as envisioned by people today is definitely not biblically accurate at all.

DnDer posted...

Is this a reference to The Twilight Zone movie?

There's a reality TV host that's had a book written about him being the literal messiah.

It's hogwash, but there are people, I guess, worshipping him.

The Muslims answer that with their book being perfect and unchanged. Not even allowed to translate it (only "interpretations" into other languages). It was handed down and repeated verbatim.from one to the next, and then written down exactly as it was told to them.

They don't have that nasty little translation/linguistic problem, according to their doctrine.

islam has the same problem with selective interpretation of what the text actually means and they have the problem of contradicting hadith which some sects believe and some discount. islam is no different that christianity in the way it has been used to control populations and interpreted umpteen different ways.

People who genuinely believe these things must be told what to do and how to act.

The ten commandments are a very good start no matter what you think of religion.

andel posted...

yeah, hell as envisioned by people today is definitely not biblically accurate at all.

islam has the same problem with selective interpretation of what the text actually means and they have the problem of contradicting hadith which some sects believe and some discount. islam is no different that christianity in the way it has been used to control populations and interpreted umpteen different ways.

Hadith in general are agreed upon in mainstream Islam, with few that are have their strength graded differently among different Sunni schools of thought. It's mainly shiites that have their own hadith set, and they are 2% or so of the religion's followers.

You're not wrong about differing interpretations, but it's not anywhere near as wide a gap as Christianity. The core of it is unchanging. And while it has been challenged past and present (thanks to external political forces at play), it still persists ultimately unchanged.

I would have told her I didnt know cheating on a significant other is considered being a gentleman

Ilishe posted...

People who genuinely believe these things must be told what to do and how to act.

The ten commandments are a very good start no matter what you think of religion.

A few of them are. From memory, most of them are either filler (God is awesome) or become problematic when applied without context.

e.g. Honouring your parents. What about orphans? What about kids with horribly abusive drug-addled parents? Do your foster parents count? What if youre raised by an older sibling?

Garabandal posted...

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Why are da basketballs tears turning into small basketballs? Is dat how dey reproduce?

Even as a Christian i'd say its a waste of time to engage with people like that

Don't know why Liberals get their panties twisted about religion.

First it's America's first amendment freedom of religious beliefs so its going to be as difficult to amend as the right to carry guns which they have always failed. Also if they take out all of the Christians then next it's going to be Muslims, Hindus, Faucism etc a never ending cycle.

Also TPTB want sheep to easily control the population and push their agendas. Religion is a good tool to keep them in line.

Maninstagnate posted...

Don't know why Liberals get their panties twisted about religion.

Only when it influences politics.

Dark_Arbron posted...

A few of them are. From memory, most of them are either filler (God is awesome) or become problematic when applied without context.

e.g. Honouring your parents. What about orphans? What about kids with horribly abusive drug-addled parents? Do your foster parents count? What if youre raised by an older sibling?

I mean...common sense applies. If your parents are dead or gone, don't speak ill of them. If they're bad people, once you get out of their influence sphere, just live your life and hope they change.

Which other commandments do you have issues with?

Maninstagnate posted...

Don't know why Liberals get their panties twisted about religion.

First it's America's first amendment freedom of religious beliefs so its going to be as difficult to amend as the right to carry guns which they have always failed. Also if they take out all of the Christians then next it's going to be Muslims, Hindus, Faucism etc a never ending cycle.

Well, you've just outed yourself there.

Razor posted...

You know that Islamic people actually developed their Arabic written language specifically so they could write down the Quran and share it more easily?

I did not.

But I do now.

What did they write in before? Because their religion's founder was like a merchant before he became the figure he did. He had to keep books/ledgers.

andel posted...

islam has the same problem with selective interpretation of what the text actually means and they have the problem of contradicting hadith which some sects believe and some discount. islam is no different that christianity in the way it has been used to control populations and interpreted umpteen different ways.

Zero argument about that.

I just like knowing the fun fact that, "If you've got a problem with bad translations, these guys say it's no problem at all," and stirring something up with the Christians who're trying to explain/excuse Biblical contradictions and errors.

Ilishe posted...

The ten commandments are a very good start no matter what you think of religion.

Which ten commandments? There's two sets of them.