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solosnake
10/01/23 8:49:25 PM
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/01/us/boopac-shakur-dead-robert-lee/index.html

A Michigan man who claimed to expose alleged child predators online for his thousands of social media followers was shot and killed after confronting two teenagers late Friday night, according to police.
Robert Wayne Lee, 40, would pose as a 15-year-old girl online to lure out and expose suspected pedophiles, the Oakland County sheriffs office said in a news release.
He published videos of his exploits to over 11,000 followers on Facebook and over 45,000 followers on Instagram. Some of those videos appear to show him engaging in violent confrontations with alleged predators.
Lee confronted two teenagers Friday night a 17- and 18-year-old at a restaurant in Pontiac. He accused one of being a pedophile and punched him, according to the police news release.
The teen who was punched pulled out a knife, and the other suspected to be the 17-year-old shot Lee several times with a pistol, according to police. He was taken to the hospital and later died of his injuries.

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archizzy
10/01/23 8:51:50 PM
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Why was he trying to call out a 17 year old even if said 17 year believed he was talking to a 15 year old?

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Noname12
10/01/23 8:59:05 PM
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I mean why would you go around attacking people who are essentially committing crimes

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Doe
10/01/23 9:00:08 PM
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Sounds like a possible self defense

The intentions of "pedo catchers" sound noble, but the majority are basically clout chasers with sloppy operations. I've seen a video where a group was staked out and thought some random guy was their perp, basically because he was ugly >_>. They took his phone and the app used wasn't on it

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solosnake
10/01/23 9:01:04 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nK5HpXPI40

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NightingaleMD
10/01/23 9:01:12 PM
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archizzy posted...
Why was he trying to call out a 17 year old even if said 17 year believed he was talking to a 15 year old?

I'm kind of latching onto that point myself

Should 15 year Olds only have sex with 15 year Olds? Or do we go full moral high ground and no sex till Christian marriage? Unclear what the goal is there

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Background_Guy
10/01/23 9:01:13 PM
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So a 40 year old man is pretending to be a 15 year old girl and promising sex to a 17 year old boy for the purposes of luring him out to film him? Hm.
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Zikten
10/01/23 9:02:16 PM
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This is why vigilanteism is not a good idea outside comic books. And since he punched first, I bet his killers get away with it
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Jagr_68
10/01/23 9:02:57 PM
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Vigilantism never works out in the long term.

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Background_Guy
10/01/23 9:03:16 PM
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Doe posted...
Sounds like a possible self defense
I don't think shooting an unarmed man counts as self defense even if he punched your friend. But American laws are weird, so who knows. Is a 17 year old even allowed to have a gun in Michigan? I'd assume no, but... once again, American laws.
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NeonTentacles
10/01/23 9:03:25 PM
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Why did he punch him unprovoked?

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inloveanddeath0
10/01/23 9:03:41 PM
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Welp

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darkace77450
10/01/23 9:03:57 PM
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NeonTentacles posted...
Why did he punch him unprovoked?

For social media clout.
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COVxy
10/01/23 9:05:06 PM
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Real hard to feel bad for the piece of shit.

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LeoRavus
10/01/23 9:06:43 PM
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Sounds like the guy was trying to get Chris Hansen fame and assaulted the wrong teenagers. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

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Freddie_Mercury
10/01/23 9:07:47 PM
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boopac is with tupac now

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inloveanddeath0
10/01/23 9:08:38 PM
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LeoRavus posted...
Sounds like the guy was trying to get Chris Hansen fame and assaulted the wrong teenagers. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
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Doe
10/01/23 9:12:30 PM
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Background_Guy posted...
I don't think shooting an unarmed man counts as self defense even if he punched your friend. But American laws are weird, so who knows. Is a 17 year old even allowed to have a gun in Michigan? I'd assume no, but... once again, American laws.
We have "stand your ground" laws in many states, including Michigan, that allow to use force (without obligation to retreat first) when you are threatened, which can go up to lethal force sometimes. Courts can consider fists lethal weapons since you can absolutely kill someone with say a blow to the head or a rib puncturing.

The gun thing is harder. Lots of state specific stuff. Apparently in Michigan the statute says a 17 year old can't carry a gun "unless with the direct supervision of someone 18 or older" and the threshold of supervision isn't directly defined (though there is probably case law). Carrying the gun may have been illegal but that doesn't necessarily mean the affirmative defense from stand your ground would be voided AFAIK.

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thronedfire2
10/01/23 9:15:37 PM
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seems like self defense but the shooter will probably also get some gun charges

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MarcyWarcy
10/01/23 9:23:37 PM
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people in america get shot every day over way less aggressive and high stakes interactions than stuff like this. having camera on you used to be a deterrent but that doesnt seem to be stopping people anymore

making a business out of getting in confrontations with people seems like an increasingly thing to do nowadays

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StealThisSheen
10/01/23 9:24:18 PM
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Doe posted...
We have "stand your ground" laws in many states, including Michigan, that allow to use force (without obligation to retreat first) when you are threatened, which can go up to lethal force sometimes. Courts can consider fists lethal weapons since you can absolutely kill someone with say a blow to the head or a rib puncturing.

A single punch isn't enough for stand your ground, since your response is supposed to be proportionate. If they KEEP punching you, then it can be.

That said, doesn't sound like it would apply here, regardless. The guy that shot him isn't the same guy he punched, it was his friend.

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willythemailboy
10/01/23 10:08:02 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
A single punch isn't enough for stand your ground, since your response is supposed to be proportionate. If they KEEP punching you, then it can be.

That said, doesn't sound like it would apply here, regardless. The guy that shot him isn't the same guy he punched, it was his friend.
"Self Defense" isn't strictly limited to defending your own personal self. Defending a third person against a violent assault is almost always going to fall under self defense law.

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ThePieReborn
10/01/23 10:09:54 PM
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Defense of third persons is a thing. If the person actually assaulted has the right of self defense, a third person can exercise that right on the assaulted's behalf.

That said, firearm was probably overkill and an unnecessary escalation.

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Priere
10/01/23 10:11:43 PM
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Hey I know that koney.

Dude was playing with fire.

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Turbam
10/01/23 10:12:03 PM
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solosnake posted...
Some of those videos appear to show him engaging in violent confrontations with alleged predators.
What the fuck was he thinking?

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AloneIBreak
10/01/23 10:14:23 PM
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Vigilante justice is dumb.

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Inohira
10/01/23 10:14:40 PM
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Once you physically assault someone all bets are off.

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LeoRavus
10/01/23 10:16:02 PM
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Turbam posted...
What the fuck was he thinking?

Entertainment for his social media followers or insanity

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willythemailboy
10/01/23 10:17:01 PM
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NightingaleMD posted...
I'm kind of latching onto that point myself

Should 15 year Olds only have sex with 15 year Olds? Or do we go full moral high ground and no sex till Christian marriage? Unclear what the goal is there
You assume he knew the ages of the alleged predators, or cared if he did know.

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AceMos
10/01/23 10:18:09 PM
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AloneIBreak posted...
Vigilante justice is dumb.


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StealThisSheen
10/01/23 10:22:24 PM
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willythemailboy posted...
"Self Defense" isn't strictly limited to defending your own personal self. Defending a third person against a violent assault is almost always going to fall under self defense law.

Yes, but the guy wasn't actively attacking when he was shot, since the other guy had time to pull out a knife. It was a single punch. It'd be murky how threatened one can feel, having actually been punched, but not only was it not currently an active attack (it was a single punch, and the guy who was punched pulled a knife), but it wasn't the guy who was punched, to begin with.

My point was that they MAY have had a case if it were the guy who was actually punched, given the rest of the details, but the second guy, if details are correct, had absolutely no reason to shoot, and can't even claim "Well I had just been attacked so I panicked."

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ForsakenHermit
10/01/23 10:31:12 PM
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If To Catch a Predator inspired this then I hate the show all the more.

And if you want to bring out that old strawman about how hating that show makes someone pro child molestation then stop typing and feed that strawman to some horses.

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Notti
10/04/23 6:05:30 AM
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AloneIBreak posted...
Vigilante justice is dumb.

Guess the punk got lucky.

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RCP3_04
10/07/23 3:41:38 AM
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Notti posted...
Guess the punk got lucky.
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darkmaian23
10/07/23 4:57:30 AM
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This guy was clearly a piece of shit with anger issues. Like, you can't even say his heart was maybe in the right place if what he was doing was essentially making content for social media. Police don't even like working with or even acknowledging the better vigilantes of this type because they make actual police work harder and are often wrong.

For me personally, unless there are a ton of damning details being omitted from this story, I think I would have trouble convicting either of these teens if I were on a jury. You are a teenager, think you are meeting another teenager your own age, and then some 40 year old guy shows up, yells that you are a pervert, is filming you, and then punches you? Yeah, no. It's easy to say you only need to use a certain level of force after the fact, but probably not so easy in a situation like that.

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Questionmarktarius
10/07/23 5:03:11 AM
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can a 17-year-old even be a pedo?
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Zikten
10/07/23 5:07:13 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
can a 17-year-old even be a pedo?
Depends on the age of the other person. A 17 year old and a 10 year old? I'd call that pedophile territory . But not with a 17 and a 15 year old
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Auto_Chrisbot
10/07/23 7:11:41 AM
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Fuck around and find out?

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JuanCarlos1
10/07/23 7:22:34 AM
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Man, even at 18 I wouldn't call them a pedophile. Age difference could be 2 years and days, plus its not like you turn 18 and automatically are an adult. 18 year olds are in high school.

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Wandering__Hero
10/07/23 7:25:00 AM
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Imagine dying because you were willing to meet up with and attack a 17 year old trying to get with a 15 year old. What a stupid fucking death

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ZaruenKosai
10/07/23 7:29:56 AM
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At first I was like, cool , good guy.

Except how is he any different than an actual predator?

There are good ways to do what he did.. He did it the wrong way at every step.

Why didn't he get the police involved before confronting the kids?

Why did he pose as a predator to catch predators but than stlalks kids?\ and tries to beat them?

Dude, these are the kids youre trying to protect, and youre trying to baet them?

I also dont agree with them shooting him to death for that..they should have called the police immediately as well.

. Kids that age should not be carrying guns, sorry. In america 99% of kids arent responsible enough to hold a gun, and this incident just proves that.

As usual both parties are in the wrong here.

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Questionmarktarius
10/07/23 7:36:59 AM
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ZaruenKosai posted...
Except how is he any different than an actual predator?
A predator predator, is still a predator.
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ShaneMcComez
10/07/23 8:17:38 AM
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If Batman was real and fighting crime in America. He'd be dead right now along with this idiot. Vigilantism doesn't work like the movies, and it's incredibly reckless and dangerous to be confronting random strangers with threats and violence like this jackass did.

I have a lot of questions about this vigilante. Questions about why are you doing this exactly, his mental state and background? What a stupid way to die.

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GiftedACIII
10/07/23 8:22:27 AM
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Isn't this kind of like that prankster case except he actually assaulted someone first and also actually died?

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Questionmarktarius
10/07/23 8:25:36 AM
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ShaneMcComez posted...
Vigilantism doesn't work like the movies
Vigilantism doesn't work because United States has more guns than people.
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Purple_Cheetah
10/07/23 8:56:37 AM
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Yeah, I dunno about this one... 17-18 is a range where he should have just cut bait or keep tabs to see if they go for a younger decoy/target.

Kinda like that guy posing as a 13 year old deciding to ignore the supposed 15 year old responder, and instead focusing on the 40 something year old in a teen chat. Either way it's pretty stupid to do it alone, as they usually work with law enforcement, not solo for this very reason.
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GiftedACIII
10/07/23 9:10:10 AM
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Purple_Cheetah posted...
Yeah, I dunno about this one... 17-18 is a range where he should have just cut bait or keep tabs to see if they go for a younger decoy/target.

Kinda like that guy posing as a 13 year old deciding to ignore the supposed 15 year old responder, and instead focusing on the 40 something year old in a teen chat. Either way it's pretty stupid to do it alone, as they usually work with law enforcement, not solo for this very reason.

I saw some comments about it on a local news site and apparently that's not even illegal in Michigan.

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10/07/23 4:04:54 PM
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JuanCarlos1
10/07/23 5:10:23 PM
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GiftedACIII posted...
I saw some comments about it on a local news site and apparently that's not even illegal in Michigan.

Lmao. This is part of the problem with monetized social platforms. When they run out of material theyre known for, they gotta find something fast no matter what. There really wasnt a big issue here.

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StealThisSheen
10/07/23 5:12:56 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
can a 17-year-old even be a pedo?

It apparently wasn't the 17 year old he had an issue with, it was the 18 year old. And in this case, they weren't somebody he specifically tried to trap, local reports say he went there to eat, recognized the 18 year old from a "prior encounter," and it escalated from there. So we don't really know the actual details, and we likely won't for a long while.

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