Current Events > Bungie: Being Latin/a/e/o/x is more than just a location on a map

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Where did the whole "Latinx" thing start, and why did someone think it was a needed thing?

Yeah, it is often said to have been started or at least, officialized, by Latinos in Puerto Rico.

All changes to language start out unpopular, especially if you ask the older generation.

I personally think there are better alternatives, but it seems somewhat popular among the latino/a lgbtq community.

you basically oust yourself as a alt right chud if you don't embrace latinx

Do you speak Spanish?

I'm pretty sure that was a /s

So much kitchen table transphobia and misinformation surrounding this topic.

We need something new, even more unwieldy, and PC-as-fuck.

how about... "descendants of Iberian colonization"?

person of non anglican european colonial ancestry

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It wasn't started by white people that don't speak Spanish.

plenty of English speakers hate trans inclusive language too but that's never cited as a legit reason to stop trans inclusive language.

God damn it, I don't remember enough about everyone to be able to tell. I've been away for like a year.

"Hispanic" literally means "Spanish speaking person" so in a rare occurrence both Bungie and the people complaining about that second part are wrong lol

Sorta...? It's "related to Spain or Spanish-speaking countries." More than likely you're going to speak it... At least partially if you are, but Latin is mainly from certain areas. IE, again, Spaniards aren't considered Latin. You have to specifically be from Americas to be Latin. You can be Hispanic and Latin, but you don't necessarily have to be Latin to be Hispanic.

Are you sure? Are you sure a Latino native Spanish speaker would make a word literally unpronounceable with the alphabet of their native language? What sound do you think x makes in Spanish?

Americans (usually white) trying to force Latinx/Latine on Latinos when Latinos say again and again that they hate it is super disrespectful.

On one hand we have post #30 explaining the x and what we know about its origins. A lot of what you'll find is citations of 90s latino chatrooms and universities in Puerto Rico.

On the other hand we have "well I don't like it and hypothesize that a Spanish speaker would never come up with something I don't know how to pronounce."

I would guess most English speakers don't know how to pronounce "Xir/Xyrs" and dislike trans inclusive language but that's not strong evidence an English speaker was never in their advocacy nor does it mean we shouldn't use trans inclusive language.

This. It's another form of oppression. Whites literally want to be in charge of how another group is oppressed lmfao

Xir/Xyrs

Do you speak Spanish?

What's a xir?

So if Puerto Rico says it, this should speak for EVERY country and every origin that speaks Spanish? One group says it so that is how it should be? This is like... The worst counterpoint and explanation ever.

Which people are quick to accept as true because they want a reason to justify their reactionary dislike of the term.

Doesn't that make Latinx redundant?

So if Puerto Rico says it,

Or it's believable because you can't pronounce latinx without sounding stupid in a language where everything is gendered.

If the origins point to latino chatrooms and Puerto Rico it means it's not definitively a white yuppie invention to police how latinos talk. Which people are quick to accept as true because they want a reason to justify their reactionary dislike of the term.

I never said anything about Puerto Rico speaking for every country, in fact I did the opposite by directing to a post that also includes other countries in the explanation of x.

Change often sounds stupid. Especially to the older generation as noted earlier. Just because the language is gendered doesn't mean you have to gender the people and terms don't evolve.

Not long ago being trans sounded stupid enough to the average person that helicopter gender memes were all over mainstream sites.

Again, I think the word is corny. I'm just pointing out inconsistencies and why right wingers will suddenly care what Spanish speakers think when it comes to trans inclusivity bashing.

https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/388532/controversy-term-latinx-public-opinion-context.aspx

A handful of people in a chatroom do not represent Puerto Rico.

Um... no you kept mentioning Puerto Rico. And FYI, a lot of them identify as white anyways. And Puerto Rico still shouldn't dictate how everyone else speaks.

The majority of people in the US fall somewhere between not understanding trans issues and inclusivity to actively hating it.

That means we should say it's culturally insensitive to provide an inclusive space for trans indivuals in the US, right?

Of course the majority of spanish speaking people don't like trans inclusion! Same in the US! This whole thing is a disengenuous argument from right-wingers who suddenly supposedly care about cultural sensitivity the moment it allows them to rail against trans inclusivity.

Nowhere did I mention the chatrooms as being Puerto Rican exclusive, just the universities. A lot of them don't identify as white either with strong ties to Boricua/native Tainos. The post I referred to included Mexico's use of x and a few other South American counties.

No one said PR dictates anything other than it being a counter to the idea that non Spanish speakers invented the term. If you're unaware, people in PR speak Spanish.

English speakers find trans inclusive language off putting too. I'm sure other romantic languages will be next it hasn't already started. I haven't looked into what goes on in France, but I've heard a lot about the topic living in a Spanish speaking area.

... that argument could be used in reverse though. Suddenly people care about trans rights when it's something that would affect minorities and dictate their behaviors.

No, i think you'll find that people arguing in favor are usually pretty consistently pro trans inclusion across the board lol.

Then bringing it up is a lousy. If you keep bringing it up, then you're giving it more weight than anything else. Chat rooms like that have very little weight.

Can you be anymore condescending? Like what's next, you going to tell me that people in the mainland also speak Spanish? Like goddamn this is so rude.

Okay? But we aren't talking about English right here are we? English even when including trans inclusivity doesn't change how the language works. And it's not dictating how the language works. So it's not even half way comparable.

That doesn't help your point though.

Chat rooms and Spanish speaking universities are at least something. So far all we have is well I don't like it as proof of non Spanish speaking origin.

You're the one that's been extremely hostile and unable to understand why PR was brought up so I had to explain that PR is a Spanish speaking country, thus it being an acceptable counter to non Spanish speaking origins. You keep taking that as them speaking for everyone so I was forced to break it down.

Trans inclusivity language does change how English works, entirely new terms most people can't pronounce are brought in. And just like in Spanish speaking countries, English speaking countries hate trans inclusivity too. Change/progress can be a hard and slow process.

Not sure what you're going on about now.

No. You have actual Latin people on a forum also saying "no." But apparently that doesn't matter because you say so.

don't gaslight. I've been anything but hostile. You literally were being completely rude. You kept citing one spot so I spoke out against it.

New words are introduced all the time. Nothing changes from new words. Example. The word "Stan" does not change how the foundation of the language works. This is not the same.