Current Events > I like Pokemon Gen 2, but man, they really brought in a lot of weak pokemon

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PowerOats
10/03/23 9:25:28 PM
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A lot of unremarkable 2- stage pokemon

Sunflora?
Ursaring?
Granbull?
Mantine?

Delibird?
Murkrow?
That thing with the bitey tail
Fucking STANTLER?!

On the plus side we got multiple badass bug types, Mareep line Wooper line, and Eon Duo
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wackyteen
10/03/23 9:27:10 PM
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PowerOats posted...
unremarkable

PowerOats posted...
Ursaring


Get out

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Umbreon
10/03/23 9:28:34 PM
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PowerOats posted...
Eon Duo


wackyteen posted...
Get out


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Letsago
10/03/23 11:33:37 PM
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Eon Duo? Gen 2?

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FL81
10/03/23 11:34:17 PM
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I will not standler for this stantler slandler

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AlCalavicci
10/03/23 11:34:28 PM
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Letsago posted...
Eon Duo? Gen 2?

Umbreon and Espeon

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Letsago
10/03/23 11:35:41 PM
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AlCalavicci posted...
Umbreon and Espeon
I was thinking of Latios and Latias

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PowerOats
10/03/23 11:40:43 PM
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I forgot that there was actual Eon duo
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hereforemnant
10/03/23 11:50:02 PM
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PowerOats posted...
A lot of unremarkable 2- stage pokemon

Sunflora?
Ursaring?
Granbull?
Mantine?

Delibird?
Murkrow?
That thing with the bitey tail
Fucking STANTLER?!

On the plus side we got multiple badass bug types, Mareep line Wooper line, and Eon Duo
Sunflora has pretty useful niche attackers for sustain builds & focusing on weather control. Ursaring was a physical powerhouse so lol no.
Granbull same as Ursaring.
Mantine yes I agree pretty mid.
Delibird & Murkrow at the time yes.
Girafarig I think is still mid to this day along with stantler I believe.

All the rest of that is fine

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Hambo
10/04/23 12:08:03 AM
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Oh hush, gen 2 gave us three great dogs. Not even the legendary beasts, I mean the houndour line, the snubbull line, and smeargle. Also the first real pigs with the first two members of the swinub line.

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pkmnlord
10/04/23 12:11:45 AM
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Gen 2's problem is too many Pokemon are cooler to look at than they are to actually use in-game.

It's got some of my favorite designs, but yeah all I can think of is how janky G/S/C was and how they dropped the ball with movesets and stat spreads (and the overall leveling of all the trainers sans Red).

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FL81
10/04/23 12:13:02 AM
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Hambo posted...
Oh hush, gen 2 gave us three great dogs. Not even the legendary beasts, I mean the houndour line, the snubbull line, and smeargle. Also the first real pigs with the first two members of the swinub line.
gives us the coolest line with Houndour

then no way to obtain them until Kanto

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comicfire
10/04/23 12:13:21 AM
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pkmnlord posted...
Gen 2's problem is too many Pokemon are cooler to look at than they are to actually use in-game.

It's got some of my favorite designs, but yeah all I can think of is how janky G/S/C was and how they dropped the ball with movesets and stat spreads.

My favorite example to pull up is Natu doesn't learn Psychic until level 50. It's stuck with Peck, Night Shade and Future Sight until then. If you evolve it to Xatu, it now has to wait for level 65

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Hambo
10/04/23 12:15:33 AM
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FL81 posted...
gives us the coolest line with Houndour

then no way to obtain them until Kanto
Yeah that's messed up. Early pokeymans games made some weird-ass decisions lol.

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DerWillZurMacht
10/04/23 4:39:26 AM
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Wait, how do you mention the refuse of Gen 2 but not talk about Delibird, probably the most useless species in the entire game, until Gen 9 brought it back into... still irrelevancy with its Paradox Abomination?

comicfire posted...
My favorite example to pull up is Natu doesn't learn Psychic until level 50. It's stuck with Peck, Night Shade and Future Sight until then. If you evolve it to Xatu, it now has to wait for level 65
Even worse, Gligar, a Ground/Flying type doesn't learn a single Ground or Flying move in Gen 2 unless you port him over to Pokemon Stadium 2 where he gets lolWing Attacklol. No Dig. No Sky Attack. NO GODDAMN Mud-Slap.
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SomeLikeItHoth
10/04/23 4:43:13 AM
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FL81 posted...
gives us the coolest line with Houndour

then no way to obtain them until Kanto
Same with Larvitar who you couldnt catch until the very end of the game.

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BurmesePenguin
10/04/23 4:47:52 AM
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People shitting on my boy Ursaring is upsetting.

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ai123
10/04/23 4:53:03 AM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
People shitting on my boy Ursaring is upsetting.

He'll be even more forgotten now Ursaluna exists (and is stupidly good).

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DrizztLink
10/04/23 4:56:27 AM
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Hambo posted...
smeargle
...I only just now learned that Smeargle is a dog.

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pegusus123456
10/04/23 4:59:44 AM
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I'd never heard of Ursaluna so I looked him up and the official artwork makes him look like that scene in Bridesmaids where they all get diarrhea at once and the bride ends up shitting in the middle of the street.

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NittanyLions23
10/04/23 5:01:01 AM
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pkmnlord posted...
Gen 2's problem is too many Pokemon are cooler to look at than they are to actually use in-game.

there is absolutely nothing wrong with this.

The challenge in Pokmon games for me, is picking the ones that you like, even if they are weak as fuck.

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pegusus123456
10/04/23 5:01:06 AM
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DrizztLink posted...
...I only just now learned that Smeargle is a dog.

The fuck he is, he's very obviously some weird little monkey and I don't know who vandalized Bulbapedia to say otherwise.

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supervaan
10/04/23 5:08:24 AM
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NittanyLions23 posted...
there is absolutely nothing wrong with this.

The challenge in Pokmon games for me, is picking the ones that you like, even if they are weak as fuck.

In fact, thats pretty much the entire premise of the anime and manga as well Thats pretty much the lesson we learn from Ash having to work with Pikachu and it not being able to evolve.

Have you learned nothing over the past 20 years????
Ash's pikachu is an anomaly and you know it.

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Hambo
10/04/23 5:08:29 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
The fuck he is, he's very obviously some weird little monkey and I don't know who vandalized Bulbapedia to say otherwise.
He's...he has "beagle" mixed in his name...

He has floppy ears and his tongue sticks out...

He has a paw print on his back...

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BurmesePenguin
10/04/23 5:09:50 AM
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Smeargle is a monkey. Other viewpoints are unwelcome.

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NittanyLions23
10/04/23 5:10:06 AM
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supervaan posted...
Ash's pikachu is an anomaly and you know it.

No it isnt.

Ash caught a fucking CATERPIE and used it in battle despite it being probably the worst Pokmon of all time at that point.

Even when it evolved into metapod, Ash still used it.

Strength has never been the reason that Ash owned Pokmon.
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Hambo
10/04/23 5:13:53 AM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
Smeargle is a monkey. Other viewpoints are unwelcome.
He's a DOG. Don't insult him by comparing him to pokeymans' disastrous roster of monkeys. Plus if he were a monkey then grafaiai would have been an even less original concept than wiglett.

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Wandering__Hero
10/04/23 5:21:51 AM
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Ursarang is mostly a crap version of Snorlax. But I did here there was a trick for gen 3 link cable battling where you'd poison the Ursrang before battle and bring Facade.....

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pegusus123456
10/04/23 5:24:31 AM
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Hambo posted...
He's...he has "beagle" mixed in his name...

He has floppy ears and his tongue sticks out...

He has a paw print on his back...
I'm not going to take this from someone that murdered Boc.

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Hambo
10/04/23 5:30:38 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
I'm not going to take this from someone that murdered Boc.
Your ability to identify murder is almost as bad as your ability to recognize dogs.

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Unsuprised_Pika
10/04/23 6:22:52 AM
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Wandering__Hero posted...
Ursarang is mostly a crap version of Snorlax. But I did here there was a trick for gen 3 link cable battling where you'd poison the Ursrang before battle and bring Facade.....

Tbf Snorlax is broken AF in Gen 2. Ursaring is good enough to be UUBL on smogon and he hits like a truck ingame with solid bulk and enough special to be useful occasionally when spamming your normal STAB or Earthquake isn't the beat choice for once.

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pegusus123456
10/04/23 6:30:42 AM
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Hambo posted...
Your ability to identify murder is almost as bad as your ability to recognize dogs.
All the dogs that walk on two legs and have a long, simian-like tail, right, those dogs.

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ffmasterjose
10/04/23 6:37:57 AM
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I love Gen 2 partially for being so jank.
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ZaruenKosai
10/04/23 6:58:15 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
The fuck he is, he's very obviously some weird little monkey and I don't know who vandalized Bulbapedia to say otherwise.
Smeargle is a bipedal, beagle-like Pokmon with white and brown fur. It has a long tail with an end resembling a paintbrush. This paintbrush oozes with paint, and the color of the paint may vary for each Smeargle, as well as change in hue corresponding to its emotions.

a beagle is a dog

pegusus123456 posted...
All the dogs that walk on two legs and have a long, simian-like tail, right, those dogs.
We're talking about pokemon and what they are based off of, not what they are...\
A pokemon walking on two feet does not mean its not based off a dog.

Are you saying Miltank isnt based off a cow because a cow never stands on two feet?

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random_man9119
10/04/23 7:01:56 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
All the dogs that walk on two legs and have a long, simian-like tail, right, those dogs.

Because of course Pokemon would never take a quadrupedal animal and make it bipedal... That'd be crazy...

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skullmagic2
10/04/23 7:02:36 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
All the dogs that walk on two legs and have a long, simian-like tail, right, those dogs.
Tons of pokemon with animalistic features are anthropomorphized to walk on two legs.

Smeargle's tail has a floof on the end, like a dog, and it holds it in its hand to paint rather than it being prehensile like a monkey.

Pokedex entries are all about it "marking its territory," behavior very strongly associated with dogs.

International names use several dog / dog breed puns, so it's not just "beagle."

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pegusus123456
10/04/23 7:20:31 AM
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I can't believe you've all bought into this beagle propaganda smh

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Hambo
10/04/23 2:03:26 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
I can't believe you've all bought into this beagle propaganda smh
Join us. Come to the dog side.

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FL81
10/04/23 2:26:29 PM
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...
Same with Larvitar who you couldnt catch until the very end of the game.
To be fair, that's a pseudo-legendary line though

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Ubergeneral3
10/04/23 2:57:24 PM
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Weak pokemon in gen 2?
This person made a hack that fixes that problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeJBVY3z_uE

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Crayon_Lover
10/04/23 3:02:32 PM
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Not one mention of Skarmory?? It's one of my favorite Pokemon

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GeneralKenobi85
10/04/23 3:14:39 PM
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Crayon_Lover posted...
Not one mention of Skarmory?? It's one of my favorite Pokemon
I always thought of Skarmory as a Gen 3 Pokemon because I primarily played Gold and I guess I just totally missed it playing Crystal. Compare that to RSE where it is available fairly early on and located on a very memorable route.

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Phantom_Nook
10/04/23 3:20:14 PM
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Crayon_Lover posted...
Not one mention of Skarmory?? It's one of my favorite Pokemon
Skarmory was very good for a few gens, so it doesn't belong in a discussion of weak Gen 2 Pokemon.

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Frostshock
10/04/23 3:23:57 PM
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DerWillZurMacht posted...
Delibird, probably the most useless species in the entire game, until Gen 9 brought it back into... still irrelevancy with its Paradox Abomination?

Literally Uber.

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MorganTJ
10/05/23 7:49:26 PM
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Frostshock posted...
Literally Uber.
Uber and still used in VGC even after we got access to Pokemon Home and the DLC.
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thronedfire2
10/05/23 7:52:24 PM
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I think amphoros is so popular because what other electric type were you supposed to use?

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IceCreamOnStero
10/05/23 7:56:08 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
I think amphoros is so popular because what other electric type were you supposed to use?
There's Lanturn, which is agressively average.


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PowerOats
10/05/23 7:57:01 PM
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I remember enjoying Silver, then eventually Crystal, Only to realize Mareep was missing. It was a sad day

I got some use out of Magnemite, and Thunderpunch Typhlosion
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IceCreamOnStero
10/05/23 8:05:53 PM
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Probably the biggest contributor to the number of shitmons in Gen 2 is speed tiers. There's like 4 mons that are fast and one of them is Miltank for some reason.

Shitmons with garbage soeed are nothing new but usually you at least get some power or bulk thrown in but Gen 2 is loaded with crap like Ariados and Hitmontop

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pegusus123456
10/06/23 3:04:20 AM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
one of them is Miltank for some reason.
The lore is that Miltank drinks its own milk but they're also lactose intolerant so they're always trying to get to a bathroom as fast as possible

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