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AceMos 10/04/23 7:14:28 PM #1: |
https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthankrayt/comments/16zm7av/i_keep_noticing_a_significant_discrimination/
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Yawn_Master2 10/04/23 7:16:11 PM #2: |
The people are sexist. That's what sells.
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Solar_Crimson 10/04/23 7:23:17 PM #4: |
Rey x Kylo was a mistake.
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Turbam 10/04/23 7:23:23 PM #5: |
Who was Morally gray in Korra?
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Kim_Seong-a 10/04/23 7:25:10 PM #6: |
Without context I'm not sure what to make of this. Evil/morally gray female characters always seem pretty popular in my experience.
Hell there is an entire subset of the Baldurs Gate 3 community that willingly commits genocide just to get one female villain to join their party >_> --- Lusa Cfaad Taydr ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AceMos 10/04/23 7:27:35 PM #7: |
really the morally gray part of the comment is not needed just compare how ppl react to male and female characters in general
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Waxitron_Gazer 10/04/23 7:28:18 PM #8: |
Kim_Seong-a posted...
Without context I'm not sure what to make of this. Evil/morally gray female characters always seem pretty popular in my experience.im not sure you know what morally grey means --- five, five, five, jack -five nobs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AngelsNAirwav3s 10/04/23 7:29:49 PM #9: |
Is this a hidden "Why do fans hate Rey but love Anakin/Luke?!?!?!" topic
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A_Good_Boy 10/04/23 7:30:16 PM #10: |
I wish the person that posted that provided examples of what they were talking about instead of shitposting and arguing with people about rwby.
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Guide 10/04/23 7:30:17 PM #11: |
I notice this from fanbases, not from actual books.
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Turbam 10/04/23 7:31:01 PM #12: |
AceMos posted...
really the morally gray part of the comment is not needed just compare how ppl react to male and female characters in generalSome of that could also be that a lot of people genuinely don't know how to write female characters. --- ~snip (V)_(;,;)_(V) snip~ I'm just one man! Whoa! Well, I'm a one man band! https://imgur.com/p9Xvjvs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DuuuDe14 10/04/23 7:31:45 PM #13: |
We need more Bosses in fiction
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DrizztLink 10/04/23 7:32:39 PM #14: |
Turbam posted...
Some of that could also be that a lot of people genuinely don't know how to write female characters.she breasted boobily --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 10/04/23 7:34:33 PM #15: |
Here's the real question:
Are they both written well? I bet one of them is written poorly. --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 10/04/23 7:35:27 PM #16: |
Like Skywalker is a morally gray female character? Just go down the list, and there you go. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bfslick50 10/04/23 7:40:22 PM #17: |
I first noticed the double standard on these boards with people talking about Michonne during early seasons of TWD. The shear volume of people who said, "I hate how she's scowling all the time. How fucking hard is it to smile?" And it's like shit, when have you ever heard a male character get shit talked for not smiling enough and when has TWD ever been perceived as a show with happy characters.
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IceCreamOnStero 10/04/23 7:41:52 PM #18: |
Morally grey characters are dumb. Everyone is morally gray, that's how morality works. Its a subjective spectrum. Focusing in on that and defining a character by it suggests the character is written poorly. Similarly, I hate it when Metal Gear fans act as if Metal Gear characters are "morally grey" "no good or evil". The games would be way worse if that was actually the case.
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Yawn_Master2 10/04/23 7:43:57 PM #19: |
IceCreamOnStero posted...
Morally grey characters are dumb. Everyone is morally gray, that's how morality works. Its a subjective spectrum. Focusing in on that and defining a character by it suggests the character is written poorly. Similarly, I hate it when Metal Gear fans act as if Metal Gear characters are "morally grey" "no good or evil". The games would be way worse if that was actually the case. Morally grey characters are dumb. Everyone is morally gray, Therefore, everyone is dumb. Right back at ya pal. --- "Trying to define yourself is like trying to bite your own teeth." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kami_no_Kami 10/04/23 7:45:16 PM #20: |
Turbam posted... Who was Morally gray in Korra?Amon until he wasnt, but no female characters I remember. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChocoboMogALT 10/04/23 7:50:13 PM #21: |
I play a mobile game, Nikke Goddess of Victory, where one of the antagonists is morally grey. She's a terrorist, inarguably a villain, but fighting for a good cause against a corrupt system. People hate her and refuse to understand her motivations. You can't be morally grey and female because men cannot relate to that.
Related, Gone Girl is a fantastic example of what a female antagonist should look like. Don't need a whiny backstory, don't need to have a facade of justice, just a bad person doing bad things. --- "We live in a country Hasire.." ~ yosouf06 REVOLVER STAKE! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v717/ChocoboMog123/AltEisenRChocoboMog.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lilORANG 10/04/23 7:51:57 PM #22: |
Maverick from Top Gun is the single greatest Mary Stu mother fucker to ever exist
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Anony1125 10/04/23 7:53:25 PM #23: |
Kami_no_Kami posted...
Amon until he wasnt, but no female characters I remember.uhhh, Eska? Zhu Li insofar as she goes along with Varrick? --- Feeling really good. Faceless goofus in a sea of alts ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Squall28 10/04/23 8:08:49 PM #24: |
Yeah it's strange how hated characters like Rey are.
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gasgpmo 10/04/23 8:13:27 PM #25: |
This kind of thing always makes me think of MGS where so many of its fans will say The Boss is a Mary Sue, but not Solid Snake or Big Boss. They're always "badass" instead. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ellis123 10/04/23 8:14:52 PM #26: |
It is why the guy that made the Mary Sue test now condemns it: it is mostly just flagrant sexism in reality.
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tremain07 10/04/23 8:17:39 PM #27: |
Oh man, suddenly I'm remembering all those flame wars over Edelgard from Three houses. But man lol RWBY of all the things they could get into a fight over RWBY is fucking bad at morally gray, they're written so terribly that RWBY might as well be the main antagonists with how much shit they fuck up for everybody
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AceMos 10/04/23 8:20:28 PM #28: |
tremain07 posted...
Oh man, suddenly I'm remembering all those flame wars over Edelgard from Three houses. But man lol RWBY of all the things they could get into a fight over RWBY is fucking bad at morally gray, they're written so terribly that RWBY might as well be the main antagonists with how much shit they fuck up for everybodyyou can tell the writers opinions on abuse with how they wrote cinder and even salem really --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.*does her janpuu dance* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Eab1990 10/04/23 8:24:37 PM #29: |
ChocoboMogALT posted... I play a mobile game, Nikke Goddess of Victory, where one of the antagonists is morally grey. She's a terrorist, inarguably a villain, but fighting for a good cause against a corrupt system. People hate her and refuse to understand her motivations. You can't be morally grey and female because men cannot relate to that. You're talking about the character who (attempted to) kill at least three other NIKKEs, or at least leave to their deaths, actually killed hundreds of civilians, and you want to say her problem is "being morally grey and female"? Oh, and she's also bad in a meta sense. Should've at least cited Syuen, who most of the community either likes to hate or outright likes, since she's self-serving and petty as fuck, but ultimately still an ally. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sansoldier 10/04/23 8:27:44 PM #30: |
Is this a thing? I'm not really a part of those fanbases mentioned. Of the stories I've read, I've seen plenty of great morally grey male and female characters.
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Smackems 10/04/23 8:28:58 PM #31: |
DrizztLink posted...
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darkace77450 10/04/23 8:29:14 PM #32: |
I too remember all the praise for Jon Snow's "deep brooding" and all the hatred (actual hate, as in criticism; not to be confused with "love-to-hate") Cersei's "insufferable smugness." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DrizztLink 10/04/23 8:32:18 PM #33: |
darkace77450 posted...
I too remember all the praise for Jon Snow's "deep brooding" and all the hatred (actual hate, as in criticism; not to be confused with "love-to-hate") Cersei's "insufferable smugness."Ironically enough, both of those characters are complete dumbasses. --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IceCreamOnStero 10/04/23 8:35:29 PM #34: |
Yawn_Master2 posted...
Morally grey characters are dumb.How did you struggle so much with a point so clesrly laid out? --- Dokkan ID: 2365415872 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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cjsdowg 10/04/23 8:43:31 PM #35: |
Most of the people who wanted Kylo to be moral gray were women who wanted to fuck him, so they used Rey as their stand in derailing the last two movies .
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GS4Life 10/04/23 8:44:01 PM #36: |
Idk Shin Hati seems pretty damn popular
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Gobstoppers12 10/04/23 8:44:59 PM #37: |
GS4Life posted...
Idk Shin Hati seems pretty damn popularShe barely speaks and she's everyone's favorite character lol --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 10/04/23 8:49:54 PM #38: |
did people ever dislike Katniss? or maybe Jlaw was just adored during that era ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ellis123 10/04/23 9:00:18 PM #39: |
WingsOfGood posted...
did people ever dislike Katniss? https://www.quora.com/Why-do-a-lot-of-fans-of-the-Hunger-Games-series-dislike-Katniss-Everdeen --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Turbam 10/04/23 9:01:02 PM #40: |
WingsOfGood posted...
did people ever dislike Katniss?I thought she was fine Fuck Gale tho --- ~snip (V)_(;,;)_(V) snip~ I'm just one man! Whoa! Well, I'm a one man band! https://imgur.com/p9Xvjvs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 10/04/23 9:04:06 PM #41: |
It's like seeing Edelgard haters describe her and Dimitri!
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GS4Life 10/04/23 9:04:13 PM #42: |
Catwoman and the anti-hero version of Harley Quinn are also quite popular
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AceMos 10/04/23 9:05:45 PM #43: |
GS4Life posted...
Catwoman and the anti-hero version of Harley Quinn are also quite popularppl constantly bitch about harley quinn ive seen ppl say its BS she is a olympic level gymnast talented fighter and genius psychologist saying its not possible she could do all that --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.*does her janpuu dance* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 10/04/23 9:07:16 PM #44: |
I mean to be fair people do say it makes no sense Batman knows every martial art and can benchpress 1000 pounds https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/why-batman-is-the-least-believable-superhero-742952/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JuanCarlos1 10/04/23 9:08:14 PM #45: |
This is mostly true. Society still hasnt gotten over woman being equal to men.
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AceMos 10/04/23 9:09:21 PM #46: |
WingsOfGood posted...
I mean to be fair people do say it makes no sense Batman knows every martial art and can benchpress 1000 poundsyes but far more ppl are willing to suspended their disbelief for him --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.*does her janpuu dance* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 10/04/23 9:10:36 PM #47: |
AceMos posted... yes but far more ppl are willing to suspended their disbelief for him I guess I have legit never seen anyone complain about Harley but have seen many threads about Batman but maybe you seen it the other way around although it is often the Superman wins lovers hating on Batman cause he always wins with time to plan and they salty ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChocoboMog123 10/04/23 9:11:00 PM #48: |
Eab1990 posted...
You're talking about the character who (attempted to) kill at least three other NIKKEs, or at least leave to their deaths, actually killed hundreds of civilians, and you want to say her problem is "being morally grey and female"?Crow hates the Ark for oppressing Nikkes and the Outer Rim and is actually just a terrorist. Like the taliban used to be considered freedom fighters. She does bad things, she's a villain, but her cause is to gain recognition of Nikke problems. The Ark isn't going to recognize her if she doesn't actually pose a threat to them. And as far as she's concerned, the whole Ark is the enemy. But, yeah, people have no issues identifying with Walter White and justifying his actions. Syuen is actually just a bad person. She only cares about herself and would put everyone in danger to make a buck. She's only an ally because it gives her power. --- "You're sorely underestimating the power of nostalgia goggles." - adjl http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20110218.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Yawn_Master2 10/04/23 9:12:12 PM #49: |
IceCreamOnStero posted...
How did you struggle so much with a point so clesrly laid out? I placed your words verbatim (misspellings and all) into modus ponens. Logically what you said made the conclusion everyone is dumb. You know. Modus ponens. --- "Trying to define yourself is like trying to bite your own teeth." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kirbymuncher 10/04/23 9:13:01 PM #50: |
scrolled the reddit comments just a little and found something I am a little inclined to agree with
To play devil's advocate; I would argue that this isn't exclusively from viewers being unfair, but from the trend of more female protagonists arising at the same time the quality of writing in a lot of modern media has gotten worse. It's not that modern writers are creating the same kinds of characters which audiences simply hate because they're women. It's rather that, at the same time writers are creating more female characters, they are also handling the same tropes and plot devices worse. --- THIS IS WHAT I HATE A BOUT EVREY WEBSITE!! THERES SO MUCH PEOPLE READING AND POSTING STUIPED STUFF ... Copied to Clipboard!
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