Current Events > Newsom vetoes bill that would've banned caste system discrimination.

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Inohira
10/08/23 4:08:48 PM
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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/california-governor-vetoes-bill-ban-caste-discrimination-2023-10-07/

California Governor Gavin Newsom on Saturday vetoed a bill passed recently by the state legislature to explicitly ban caste discrimination, citing existing laws that already prohibit ancestry discrimination, which made the bill "unnecessary."

Had Newsom signed the bill, officially called Senate Bill 403 or SB 403, California would have become the first ever U.S. state to explicitly ban caste discrimination.

Newsom's veto is a big setback for activists who had been advocating for the legislation. U.S. discrimination laws ban ancestry discrimination though they do not explicitly mention a prohibition on casteism.

Dude is getting annoying.

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GrandConjuraton
10/08/23 4:14:47 PM
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And he's supposed to be the future of the Democratic party?

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The_shibe
10/08/23 4:17:52 PM
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GrandConjuraton posted...
And he's supposed to be the future of the Democratic party?

who else you got? Have you seen the way he wrecks Fox News when he talks to them? He is by far the best his party has

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Kradek
10/08/23 4:17:52 PM
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How does caste discrimination pertain to the U.S.? Are you saying that an Indian community can bring over their barbaric caste system and legally operate it would here as they would in India? Or does the U.S. have some sort of caste discrimination I'm unfamiliar with that is similar to such?

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asdf8562
10/08/23 4:20:58 PM
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Kradek posted...
How does caste discrimination pertain to the U.S.? Are you saying that an Indian community can bring over their barbaric caste system and legally operate it would here as they would in India?
This.

The complaint over this just sounds like the usual crowd trying to poison the well looking for something to complain about.
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SayHeyyShohei
10/08/23 4:21:26 PM
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GrandConjuraton posted...
And he's supposed to be the future of the Democratic party?

Unfortunately, yes. He's just playing the game.

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Agonized_rufous
10/08/23 4:21:28 PM
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I mean, if we already don't allow it, good on him for not adding useless fluff

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ClayGuida
10/08/23 4:21:32 PM
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Yea, I feel like people are overblowing these vetoes. He vetoed decriminalizing shrooms until they have more things in place. He vetoed this, despite there already being a law against this. He also vetoed something else I'm forgetting, think it was safe injection sites until there were better options for the sites.

None of it really matters. Shrooms will still likely be decriminalized and as it stands, safe injection is still a losing platform.

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fire_bolt
10/08/23 4:22:10 PM
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Kradek posted...
Or does the U.S. have some sort of caste discrimination I'm unfamiliar with that is similar to such?


It doesn't. This is literally a nothingburger. Somebody dug out an ancient alt to post a rightwing dog whistle

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ClayGuida
10/08/23 4:23:04 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Can you give an example?

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fire_bolt
10/08/23 4:23:41 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...

If there was no caste discrimination going on then no one would have fought to keep it legal.


[Citation Needed]

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Kradek
10/08/23 4:24:01 PM
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fire_bolt posted...
It doesn't. This is literally a nothingburger. Somebody dug out an ancient alt to post a rightwing dog whistle

TC is a frequent poster, by no means an ancient alt dug out.

They do, however, always seem to end up getting accused of being a right-winger or apologist for right-wing objectives/narratives, and this topic certainly isn't going to dispel that notion for anybody.


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aarrgus
10/08/23 4:24:53 PM
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No one is fighting to keep it legal.


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tremain07
10/08/23 4:26:27 PM
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Progressives have been attacking Newsom for these things as well too saying he's enabling racism and he's a pro corporate stooge but it's progressive media they hate anybody whose not Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Katie Porter or some other progressive who has absolutely no chance of ever being elected president in modern day America

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DarkChozoGhost
10/08/23 4:28:34 PM
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That's unfortunate. Hopefully it wasn't just lobbyist pressure, but concern legal fallout. I suppose the bill could have eventually gone to the Supreme Court, where those evil things could have used it to make a (bullshit) argument that would expand 1st amendment protections to allow further discrimination. They like to do that.

Still, it's not ok to just let this go. He reasoned that laws protecting ancestry discrimination cover this. But he's not a judge. If that's the case, there needs to be laws passed to explicitly define that caste discrimination firmly falls under ancestry discrimination.

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SayHeyyShohei
10/08/23 4:28:44 PM
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tremain07 posted...
Progressives have been attacking Newsom for these things as well too saying he's enabling racism and he's a pro corporate stooge but it's progressive media they hate anybody whose not Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Katie Porter or some other progressive who has absolutely no chance of ever being elected president in modern day America

One of these names is not like the other.

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ClayGuida
10/08/23 4:29:03 PM
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Like many recent arrivals to California, Prem Pariyar searched for work and a home within communities of fellow immigrants.
So when coworkers at a South Asian restaurant in Davis refused to room with him in an apartment his employer provided, he was shocked by their reason: his caste. Not his race, religion or nationality, but the centuries-old social hierarchies still prevalent in some South Asian societies.

You realize that they can just say 'I don't want you to be my roommate' and there's nothing the US government can do about it, right?

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ClayGuida
10/08/23 4:31:44 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Do you have evidence he did?

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mybbqrules
10/08/23 4:32:51 PM
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Boy, it sure is weird how low karma alts just keep showing up to try to dunk on dems.

Kradek posted...
TC is a frequent poster, by no means an ancient alt dug out.
How do you figure this?

Here is his profile

Veteran
User Since: Sep 2012
Karma: 132
Active Posts: 161

So a 2012 account with 132 days worth of karma isn't an ancient alt?

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Guide
10/08/23 4:32:59 PM
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asdf8562 posted...
This.

The complaint over this just sounds like the usual crowd trying to poison the well looking for something to complain about.
This is exactly what I thought, but then someone here gave me a link like the one shock listed, and a bit of a search showed that this has been a sort of open secret problem in California for decades.

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Kradek
10/08/23 4:34:08 PM
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mybbqrules posted...
How do you figure this?

Here is his profile

Veteran
User Since: Sep 2012
Karma: 132
Active Posts: 161

So a 2012 account with 132 days worth of karma isn't an ancient alt?

Because I've seen this poster posting on here daily for months now?

Maybe they "dug out" the account some months ago, however they certainly did not do it for this thread. I've seen people waging political ideological war against Inohira for what feels like months.

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ClayGuida
10/08/23 4:37:04 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

You linked a story of a person who wanted to be roommates and was denied.

I mean the most alarming part of that story, was employers giving people a place to live.

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Powdered_Toast
10/08/23 4:45:13 PM
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Wow at the difference between this topic and the other one on the same news story.

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chickenwings666
10/08/23 4:45:47 PM
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I thought this would have been in India
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Inohira
10/08/23 5:08:53 PM
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Agonized_rufous posted...
I mean, if we already don't allow it, good on him for not adding useless fluff

The article specifically states there's no mention of caste in the existing laws. No mention means it's a gray area up for legal interpretation. Look at the Roe overturn to see how easily judges can flip on matters that aren't explictly codified into legal text.

fire_bolt posted...
It doesn't. This is literally a nothingburger. Somebody dug out an ancient alt to post a rightwing dog whistle

Right-wingers were the ones protesting the bill. The bill was created and voted on by Democrats.

Powdered_Toast posted...
Wow at the difference between this topic and the other one on the same news story.

It's to be expected. The difference is that I criticized Newsom for his veto rather than religious activists for speaking out against the bill (because, ultimately, he could've just ignored them). Partisans react poorly when important members of their party are criticized directly.

Kradek posted...
I've seen people waging political ideological war against Inohira for what feels like months.

It's certainly interesting. I get dragged even when arguing for the correct position, and it really exposes peoples' priorities.

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mybbqrules
10/08/23 5:13:17 PM
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Kradek posted...
Because I've seen this poster posting on here daily for months now?

Maybe they "dug out" the account some months ago, however they certainly did not do it for this thread. I've seen people waging political ideological war against Inohira for what feels like months.
Well, maybe Inohira should stop taking bad stances on subjects like pronouns.

And "frequent poster" and "ancient alt" are not exclusive. They can be both. (And they are)

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Inohira
10/08/23 5:24:14 PM
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mybbqrules posted...

Well, maybe Inohira should stop taking bad stances

My stances are all reasoned and fair, but regardless, unlike me I don't think he disagrees with your point.

mybbqrules posted...
on subjects like pronouns.

Well I explictly defended gender pronouns in the Brianna Wu topic, but people still complained.

The source of conflict isn't always my stance on an issue, but rather which prominent political figure I happen to be disagreeing on it with and calling out.

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Inohira
10/08/23 5:30:07 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Yea you get caught trolling about something and then later try to pretend you never did it by trying to take the right stance later

No, I stand by all stances I've taken simultaneously. I don't think there's a contradiction.

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DerWillZurMacht
10/08/23 5:37:57 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80588548

Sorry guys, but Newsom is indeed human filth.
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VGAddict90
10/08/23 5:38:41 PM
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Newsom is turning out to be a DINO.
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mybbqrules
10/08/23 5:57:58 PM
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DerWillZurMacht posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80588548

Sorry guys, but Newsom is indeed human filth.
Regular User
User Since: Jul 2023
Karma: 70
Active Posts: 52

Uh huh.

Still inarguably better than any republican

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DerWillZurMacht
10/08/23 6:19:39 PM
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mybbqrules posted...
Regular User
User Since: Jul 2023
Karma: 70
Active Posts: 52

Uh huh.

Still inarguably better than any republican
Correct. I am not terminally online like you are. Thanks much for bringing up that fact, Mr. 3005 Karma lmfao
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mybbqrules
10/08/23 6:22:42 PM
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DerWillZurMacht posted...
Correct. I am not terminally online like you are. Thanks much for bringing up that fact, Mr. 3005 Karma lmfao
*checks off "lol touch grass" on my "obvious troll alt" bingo card*

Ooooh oooooh, do "both sides are the same" next!

Also, thank you for conceding that Newsom is indeed inarguably better than any republican.

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Heineken14
10/08/23 6:31:58 PM
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mybbqrules posted...

Regular User
User Since: Jul 2023
Karma: 70
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Uh huh.

Still inarguably better than any republican


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cjsdowg
10/08/23 6:33:40 PM
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What the fuck.

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The_shibe
10/08/23 7:31:02 PM
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VGAddict90 posted...
Newsom is turning out to be a DINO.

and here we go. Hillary 2.0, this candidate is not the perfect saint and ideologically pure progressive I would like to see. Now I shall not vote for him and let trump/dsantis/whatever far-right extremist they come up with win elections instead so they can appoint another alt-right scotus justice or two so they can keep taking rights away from women, minorities and young people for generations to come

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Inohira
10/08/23 7:34:43 PM
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The_shibe posted...


and here we go. Hillary 2.0, this candidate is not the perfect saint and ideologically pure progressive I would like to see. Now I shall not vote for him and let trump/dsantis/whatever far-right extremist they come up with win elections instead so they can appoint another alt-right scotus justice or two so they can keep taking rights away from women, minorities and young people for generations to come

Bro piss off with this, you know it's possible to just nominate someone else right?

I want presidents who support insulin pricing caps.

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The_shibe
10/08/23 7:38:50 PM
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Inohira posted...
Bro piss off with this, you know it's possible to just nominate someone else right?

I want presidenta who support insuling pricing caps.

who else? Bernie? AOC? Harris? We need someone who can win elections.

Hillary was honest (no, we cant fucking hand money to everyone and give a unicorn with a socialism flag tattooed on its butt to everyone) and she paid the price for it, and then we did too (hello, Alt right scotus!!)

are we really going to repeat the same mistake and insist on having an ideological pure, socialist, feminist, vegan candidate who has an amazing freestyle rap skillset and who does yoga and drinks kombucha too?

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Crazyman93
10/08/23 7:41:13 PM
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The_shibe posted...
We need someone who can win elections.
And that's why Trump won in 2016 and why they put Biden up in 2020. The DNC cares more about "electability" than actually supporting anything they claim to support.

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A_Good_Boy
10/08/23 7:42:08 PM
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Inohira posted...
Bro piss off with this, you know it's possible to just nominate someone else right?

I want presidents who support insulin pricing caps.
Like who?

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