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https://youtube.com/shorts/VjFs42bTjfA?si=KYm7_Sbydh_VOrh8

What about avril Lavigne? When I first heard olivia rod I was like this chick is clearly copying off Taylor swift and avril Lavigne

Revisited posted...

What about avril Lavigne? When I first heard olivia rod I was like this chick is clearly copying off Taylor swift and avril Lavigne

Only if there are distinct similarities in terms of chords/notes/vocal phrasing in a particular song. Just having the 'sound' or the 'vibe' of another artist isn't enough.

This kind of thing has existed throughout the history of music. Classical composers did it openly.

If a song interpolates or samples another song, it's perfectly reasonable that said artist get some kind of writing credit, royalties, etc.

But 50 fucking percent for a similar melody is just ridiculous.

Didn't realize she was a thief

Was it stolen, or horseshit US music lobbying law "stolen"

I thought Swift was credited as writer for many of her songs. I mean things like that happen all the time. Pop songs have a lot of different writers. I think like some big old school star has secretly written a shit ton of modern pop songs? But I forget who. Like... Dolly Parton, or someone of that pedigree.

I really really like her song Vampire whatever the case.

Olivia Rodrigo has a far above average rate of songs being accused of plagiarism. This isn't just "everyone in America is accused of plagiarism".

Doe posted...

Was it stolen, or horseshit US music lobbying law "stolen"

Since the Blurred Lines verdict (which was a bit bullshit-y), artists have been very wary of being hit with that kind of lawsuit and penalty.

So they err on the side of caution.

ai123 posted...

Since the Blurred Lines verdict (which was a bit bullshit-y), artists have been very wary of being hit with that kind of lawsuit and penalty.

So they err on the side of caution.

that doesn't change whether its bullshit

Sounds like a female ed sheeran?

spanky1 posted...

I really really like her song Vampire whatever the case.

Heard it for the first time today while getting a haircut.

Pretty mid imo

And I do like her singles that got her big, so it's not as though I'm just some ORod hater.

Man, here I was thinking the girl that has that fart sniffing expression on her face 24/7 was a musical genius who would lead us to the new age, forming "The Beatles 2".

Doe posted...

Was it stolen, or horseshit US music lobbying law "stolen"

It's post-Blurred Lines "stolen". As in it isn't but it sounds similar so it's easier to just give a co-writing credit to avoid the bullshit.

I really don't hear it btwn Misery Business and Good 4 U

Doe posted...

that doesn't change whether its bullshit

Whether it's bullshit or not, no artist wants to risk a Blurred Lines verdict.

ai123 posted...

Whether it's bullshit or not, no artist wants to risk a Blurred Lines verdict.

okay I'm just saying that fact doesn't really have to do with whether Rodrigo "stole"

How does pop music exist anymore if this becomes the new standard? It's been a while since I've heard a melody in a popular song that sounded truly original. Most any song is going to have some strong commonality in terms of melody and chord structure as some previous pop song. Pop isn't that different from traditional blues in that after so long, it all kind of sounds derivative (granted, pop can change by its nature in accordance with societal preferences in music, but it tends to be very gradual when assessing it year-by-year and the Western music scale in of itself is already pretty limiting). So are you supposed to seek out songs that sound similar to yours and approach those artists to see how much a cut they want? Do you find the oldest artist with a similar melody and credit them or find the artist with the most similar melody, chords, or now "vibe" I suppose? Can you exploit a loophole by finding a song with a similar melody that is no longer protected by copyright?

To be honest, any standard beyond "so obvious it had to have been stolen" is too much for me. I'm not even familiar with the Olivia Rodrigo or Taylor Swift songs in question, but the lawsuits raised by Marvin Gaye's estate cause me to raise these questions a lot in my mind. So there's my rant.

Honestly even though at first I thought she was generic I'm actually starting to come around on her songs and like some of the ones I been listening to on the radio.

And actually that wasn't even the song I thought sounded similar to Taylor, I like swift but that motion ain't it.

That one song's chorus really does sound like Misery Business though.

She came up through Disney...how much does anyone think she writes?

Cephalopods posted...

If a song interpolates or samples another song, it's perfectly reasonable that said artist get some kind of writing credit, royalties, etc.

hell no, not if the artist created it themselves and it just happened to sound similar...

thats like saying any movie about rings should automatically give royalties to Tolkien just because they have rings of power in them.

A movie having rings of power is not plaguarism. JRR Tolkien does not have a copyright on Magic Rings.

This is what happens when kids write music.

FurryPhilosifer posted...

That one song's chorus really does sound like Misery Business though.

A generalized sounds like is a far cry from actual theft. The latter has standards that, at least before the Blurred Lines case, were pretty strict.

Compsognathus posted...

A generalized sounds like is a far cry from actual theft. The latter has standards that, at least before the Blurred Lines case, were pretty strict.

It's nearly the exact same melody in the exact same style and genre.

FurryPhilosifer posted...

It's nearly the exact same melody in the exact same style and genre.

It's an incredibly common chord progression. Even within the same genre, Boulevard of Broken Dreams did it before Misery Business. Should Paramore be paying them royalties?

If Good 4 U was by a dude, nobody would be saying shit but because both it and Misery Business have female vocals people made a stink about it.

FurryPhilosifer posted...

That one song's chorus really does sound like Misery Business though.

Ok I just listened to this song and it's pretty catchy! Adding it to my Playlist for my commute from work. Any other songs from that band? Reminds me of listening to Linkin Park days, good times

ai123 posted...

Since the Blurred Lines verdict (which was a bit bullshit-y), artists have been very wary of being hit with that kind of lawsuit and penalty.

So they err on the side of caution.

Very brief synopsis of what that is please?

Doe posted...

Was it stolen, or horseshit US music lobbying law "stolen"

I mean, Good 4 U is clearly a ripoff of misery business.

It still slaps tho

The Taylor Swift song Cruel Summer don't sound like Olivia's song that she supposedly copied

ai123 posted...

Only if there are distinct similarities in terms of chords/notes/vocal phrasing in a particular song. Just having the 'sound' or the 'vibe' of another artist isn't enough.

This kind of thing has existed throughout the history of music. Classical composers did it openly.

Well, the similarities were seemingly strong enough, since she's apparently paying them over it.

Damn, Taylor Swift and Paramore be cucking Olivia. No wonder Olivia not happy with them or at least Taylor

That said, like others have said, similar/repeated melodies is very common. I think the issue here is Rodrigo made claims like "I came up with the melody for Good 4 U completely by myself in the shower one morning."

Atleast be honest about it.

StealThisSheen posted...

Well, the similarities were seemingly strong enough, since she's apparently paying them over it.

That's because the Blurred Lines verdict which essentially said you can sue people over vibes has everyone overly cautious. It's why basically everyone in the music industry thinks the verdict was terrible.

StealThisSheen posted...

That said, like others have said, similar/repeated melodies is very common. I think the issue here is Rodrigo made claims like "I came up with the melody for Good 4 U completely by myself in the shower one morning."

Atleast be honest about it.

It's entirely possible that people come up with a simple melody independently. Or are influenced without realising it.

ai123 posted...

It's entirely possible that people come up with a simple melody independently. Or are influenced without realising it.

Especially when our common factors here are a very common chord progression and a teenage girl singing about romantic woes.

And even then it's totally fine to be knowingly inspired by a song. Like that's one of the backbones of art. People don't enter chaste mind prisons, cut off from the world to create art. They use their experiences to inform their art, and that absolutely includes other people's art. But what's become increasingly obvious post Blurred Lines is that you should never say your inspirations out loud or they will absolutely be used against you. And that is fucked.