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KajeI
10/19/23 7:42:26 PM
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wanderingshade posted...
People said "you only get views because you're attractive" then IIRC she streamed without her cam on and still got like 10,000 viewers or something. Then she tweeted "don't need to show my face to get views" and people went nuts.

Most people really hate her for being a successful woman.
Doing that as an already established top tier channel doesn't mean anything though. That's an awful proof, if she wanted something convincing she should've made a new channel and streamed on that for like a week/month without her face, no press, and a small voice modulator so people wouldn't immediately know it was her and then shown off the total views she got.

Like, any streamer with an already established fanbase can do a faceless stream and still get somewhere around the number of views they're used to, people do it all the time. Once you have momentum it's easy to keep it going.

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Muflaggin
10/19/23 7:46:42 PM
#52:


They're both dumpster fires.
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StealThisSheen
10/19/23 7:50:38 PM
#53:


bobbaaay posted...
I mean, SSSniperwolf is naturally gorgeous. She's a little skinny for me - but she's undeniably incredibly attractive. Makeup doesn't matter.
She is annoying and shitty, though.

Has she literally ever been seen without makeup, to actually say this?

I Googled to see if I could find anything, and I could only find her makeup tutorial vids, where... Even in those, she very clearly starts with atleast SOME makeup on, so...

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StealThisSheen
10/19/23 7:52:10 PM
#54:


KajeI posted...
That's an awful proof, if she wanted something convincing she should've made a new channel and streamed on that for like a week/month without her face, no press, and a small voice modulator so people wouldn't immediately know it was her and then shown off the total views she got.

That's a bit of a silly argument, since we've literally seen streamers with tons of followers/subs do such a thing, and they start with next to nothing until it becomes known what they're doing, since... That's the very nature of streaming. It takes a loooong time to get big with streaming. Nobody gets "found" overnight.

When you create a new Twitch/whatever account, it has literally no followers and will thus appear at the very bottom of any game/whatever search results, which means it will take a long time to be "discovered," unless people find out "Oh, it's actually X."

EDIT: Going no cam actually matters more than you'd think, since streamers naturally get less people watching when they have no cam on, no matter how big or small they are. People like to put a face to what they're watching, and if they can't, they figure they might as well be watching a video on Youtube.

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Skankhair
10/19/23 7:55:22 PM
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Muflaggin posted...
They're both dumpster fires.

sssniperwolf committed armed robbery, felony assault, doxxed another creator, and all she does is steals content.

Pokimane makes her own content and has never done anything wrong. She just gets hate because shes a woman.

The only link is misogyny.

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Gobstoppers12
10/19/23 7:59:05 PM
#56:


bobbaaay posted...
I mean, SSSniperwolf is naturally gorgeous. She's a little skinny for me - but she's undeniably incredibly attractive. Makeup doesn't matter.
Eh, she ain't that hot. Have you seen her without makeup?

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jimbiz
10/19/23 8:03:50 PM
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Pokimane is right tbh

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KajeI
10/19/23 8:05:01 PM
#58:


StealThisSheen posted...
That's a bit of a silly argument, since we've literally seen streamers with tons of followers/subs do such a thing, and they start with next to nothing until it becomes known what they're doing, since... That's the very nature of streaming. It takes a loooong time to get big with streaming. Nobody gets "found" overnight.

When you create a new Twitch/whatever account, it has literally no followers and will thus appear at the very bottom of any game/whatever search results, which means it will take a long time to be "discovered," unless people find out "Oh, it's actually X."

EDIT: Going no cam actually matters more than you'd think, since streamers naturally get less people watching when they have no cam on, no matter how big or small they are. People like to put a face to what they're watching, and if they can't, they figure they might as well be watching a video on Youtube.
Going "I, one of the most popular streamers in the world, had 10k viewers this one time I didn't have my camera on, therefore I'm not popular for my looks" is stupid. Flat out. It doesn't disprove the assertion whatsoever because there's already so many things in your favor that you wouldn't have if you weren't already so well known that you could do a stream where you do literally nothing but stare blankly at the camera for an hour and still pull in more views than most people will ever see.

It's vaguely like those "self made millionaires" that already had extremely successful parents that were able to hook them up with all sorts of connections and favors most people wouldn't have access to, even if the kids never actually got any financial loans from them.

And yes, for most streamers they'll lose a portion of their viewers when they do a stream without a cam on, but the loss won't be that big most of the time for the bigger ones BECAUSE they're already so big. They're already known, they're already popular, they've already got an established fanbase that'll show up no matter what.

Also your second paragraph demonstrates my argument perfectly.

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StealThisSheen
10/19/23 8:06:27 PM
#59:


KajeI posted...
Going "I, one of the most popular streamers in the world, had 10k viewers this one time I didn't have my camera on, therefore I'm not popular for my looks" is stupid. Flat out. It doesn't disprove the assertion whatsoever because there's already so many things in your favor that you wouldn't have if you weren't already so well known that you could do a stream where you do literally nothing but stare blankly at the camera for an hour and still pull in more views than most people will ever see.

It's vaguely like those "self made millionaires" that already had extremely successful parents that were able to hook them up with all sorts of connections and favors most people wouldn't have access to, even if the kids never actually got any financial loans from them.

And yes, for most streamers they'll lose a portion of their viewers when they do a stream without a cam on, but the loss won't be that big most of the time for the bigger ones BECAUSE they're already so big. They're already known, they're already popular, they've already got an established fanbase that'll show up no matter what.

Also your second paragraph demonstrates my argument perfectly.

I don't think you're actually making any kind of argument. I think you think you are, but you're not. You're just saying... How streaming is.

Your counterargument was "She didn't do literally everything to lose her entire viewer base, hmm how peculiar."

That's not a good argument.

Literally her entire point was she could stream without a camera and still maintain roughly the same viewer count. And that's true, regardless of why you think that is. Which does, indeed, suggest people aren't only tuning in just to look at her.

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refmon
10/19/23 8:07:12 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Eh, she ain't that hot. Have you seen her without makeup?

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CyborgSage00x0
10/19/23 8:07:43 PM
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I'm officially old that I don't even know who these people are, or why I should care.

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KajeI
10/19/23 8:08:15 PM
#62:


StealThisSheen posted...
I don't think you're actually making any kind of argument. I think you think you are, but you're not. You're just saying... How streaming is.

Your counterargument was "She didn't do literally everything to lose her entire viewer base, hmm how peculiar."

That's not a good argument.
I'm not gonna ELI5 it for you, you'll either figure it out or you won't. Based on the edit, likely the latter.

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StealThisSheen
10/19/23 8:08:52 PM
#63:


KajeI posted...
I'm not gonna ELI5 it for you, you'll either figure it out or you won't. Based on the edit, likely the latter.

So, in other words, you admit you don't actually have an argument.

Cool.

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KajeI
10/19/23 8:10:18 PM
#64:


StealThisSheen posted...
So, in other words, you admit you don't actually have an argument.

Cool.
Your lack of comprehension of the english language has been noted and will be factored into future conversations with you.

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Big_Nabendu
10/19/23 8:19:10 PM
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I need booty pics to compare

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Prestoff
10/19/23 8:20:03 PM
#66:


I love wavywebsurf, but the comparison makes no sense. I'm not a fan of pokimane, but I don't think she ever did anything criminal like doxed anyone, ever. SSSniperwolf on the other hand...

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Skankhair
10/19/23 8:22:14 PM
#67:


Prestoff posted...
I love wavywebsurf, but the comparison makes no sense. I'm not a fan of pokimane, but I don't think she ever did anything criminal like doxed anyone, ever. SSSniperwolf on the other hand...

Yeah its really weird. Either hes clueless on what happened or has been hiding his misogyny.

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StealThisSheen
10/19/23 8:22:45 PM
#68:


KajeI posted...
Your lack of comprehension of the english language has been noted and will be factored into future conversations with you.

So, yes, thanks for confirming it for me. Instead of defending your argument, you switch to personal attacks.

Good job. Want a sticker?

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Prestoff
10/19/23 8:26:04 PM
#69:


Skankhair posted...
Yeah its really weird. Either hes clueless on what happened or has been hiding his misogyny.

https://twitter.com/wavywebsurf/status/1714745385900519724

Man even in context it still makes no sense. It's always been a thing for any top content creator to be able to get away with things, get special treatment, and have priveleges that other smaller creators don't get. It was a bad move, and optics, to compare the both of them like that.

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Umbreon
10/19/23 8:41:40 PM
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People turning a non doxer vs doxer discussion into a debate on who's more physically attractive is exactly why sniperwolf felt safe doing what she did, btw.

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itcheyness
10/19/23 11:10:08 PM
#71:


bobbaaay posted...
I mean, SSSniperwolf is naturally gorgeous
Isn't there evidence that she's had plastic surgery?

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VeggetaX
10/19/23 11:14:16 PM
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Some of yall are way too ready to be a victim.

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10/20/23 12:02:43 AM
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KajeI
10/20/23 2:06:20 AM
#73:


StealThisSheen posted...
So, yes, thanks for confirming it for me. Instead of defending your argument, you switch to personal attacks.

Good job. Want a sticker?
You did nothing to refute the argument I made in the first place. The majority of what you've said supports the point I was making, but somehow you don't see it even though it's blatantly obvious. So fine, I will treat you like a child and ELI5 it for you.

Corbenik posted...
Remember when Pokimane was bragging about how many viewers she had with NO CAM on.
Remember when she tried the no make up thing and that totally failed

Link_of_time posted...
What did actually happen here? I remember hearing about it, but dont really pay attention to her much. I cant imagine it proved much as she is already popular.

wanderingshade posted...
People said "you only get views because you're attractive" then IIRC she streamed without her cam on and still got like 10,000 viewers or something. Then she tweeted "don't need to show my face to get views" and people went nuts.
These are the posts before I said anything.

In response to the third one there, I said

KajeI posted...
Doing that as an already established top tier channel doesn't mean anything though. That's an awful proof, if she wanted something convincing she should've made a new channel and streamed on that for like a week/month without her face, no press, and a small voice modulator so people wouldn't immediately know it was her and then shown off the total views she got.

Like, any streamer with an already established fanbase can do a faceless stream and still get somewhere around the number of views they're used to, people do it all the time. Once you have momentum it's easy to keep it going.
The point I was making is literally right there in the post, but you're having trouble reading, so I've bolded it for you.

Then you, with your big smart brain, came in and said

StealThisSheen posted...
That's a bit of a silly argument, since we've literally seen streamers with tons of followers/subs do such a thing, and they start with next to nothing until it becomes known what they're doing, since... That's the very nature of streaming. It takes a loooong time to get big with streaming. Nobody gets "found" overnight.

When you create a new Twitch/whatever account, it has literally no followers and will thus appear at the very bottom of any game/whatever search results, which means it will take a long time to be "discovered," unless people find out "Oh, it's actually X."

EDIT: Going no cam actually matters more than you'd think, since streamers naturally get less people watching when they have no cam on, no matter how big or small they are. People like to put a face to what they're watching, and if they can't, they figure they might as well be watching a video on Youtube.
Now pay attention here. Your entire first and second paragraph strengthen MY argument, and arguably the third does too but I'm tired and I really don't care.

When I say that if she was doing no-face cam streams on a completely unknown account, she wouldn't be getting anywhere near the same number of views, you have a problem with it.

But when you say that if she was doing no-face cam streams on a completely unknown account then she wouldn't be getting anywhere near the same number of views

>"since we've literally seen streamers with tons of followers/subs do such a thing, and they start with next to nothing until it becomes known what they're doing"< (fresh reminder of your words just in case you need it)

then you think you've somehow refuted the point I was making. which is that her doing a single faceless stream on her main account when she's one of the most popular streamers IN THE WORLD to make a point is a TERRIBLE way to invalidate the claim that the thing that made her popular is because she's pretty, because she is ALREADY AT THE POINT WHERE PEOPLE WILL TUNE IN EVEN IF SHE DOES LITERALLY NOTHING.

(Now normally I don't feel the need to use uppercase and bold anditalics AND underline, but everything I've said so far has been completely self evident so I'm forced to believe you have to be willfully misinterpreting it in some way.)

Do you now understand how her
Going "I, one of the most popular streamers in the world, had 10k viewers this one time I didn't have my camera on, therefore I'm not popular for my looks" is stupid. Flat out. It doesn't disprove the assertion whatsoever because there's already so many things in your favor that you wouldn't have if you weren't already so well known that you could do a stream where you do literally nothing but stare blankly at the camera for an hour and still pull in more views than most people will ever see.

And how your response being

"Your counterargument was "She didn't do literally everything to lose her entire viewer base, hmm how peculiar." "

Is both a peabrain interpretation of what I said, AND does literally nothing to refute the claim I was making, that you apparently unintentionally echoed and backed?

Actually no, don't answer that, I don't want to subject anyone to any more of you trying to be clever.

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TL:DR: Just answer this.

Pretend there's a magical world where Pokimane could do the following without it being career suicide for a moment.

Taking Pokimane's personality and skill level into account, if she made an entirely new account and no one knew it was her and she didn't face cam on it, and no one accidentally recognized her or whatever, how long do you think it would take for her total views reach that 10k number she allegedly bragged about?

(Just imagine she has a perfect clone still running her current account as she does it, or whatever magical BS you need to make it work. I invite you to ignore everything else in this post but those two paragraphs as long as you give another quick and dirty answer to that.)

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Because when you say "since we've literally seen streamers with tons of followers/subs do such a thing, and they start with next to nothing until it becomes known what they're doing" it sounds like you agree that if she didn't already have all her momentum from being in the top 0.1% of streamers she wouldn't get that 10k for a very very long time.

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I genuinely don't know how to make it any more obvious and I'm tired of repeating myself, I'm going to bed.

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Hornswoggled
10/20/23 2:14:02 AM
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Who cares? Both of these people are so fucking boring.
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CM_Ponch
10/20/23 2:23:17 AM
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Holy shit, what a fucking incel

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StealThisSheen
10/20/23 4:00:21 AM
#77:


KajeI posted...

Okay, holy shit, you care way too much about this, so let me keep the point simple:

If they were literally only tuning in because she's pretty, they wouldn't watch a no cam stream, period. It doesn't matter if they're existing fans. If they're only fans because of how she looks, they'd just come back when she brought the face cam back, because the reason they're there is gone.

It's literally that simple. Viewers on Twitch literally are that fickle. If they only like a streamer for their looks, and they have a stream with no face cam, they don't stay tuned in to that stream at that time. They go watch one of their other "she hot" streamers until the face cam returns.

Thus, what it proved is that there were atleast 10k viewers who weren't the fickle "she hot" viewers like people like you love to insist are all she has, because they stuck around for other reasons beyond just staring at her.

You're trying to make something complicated when it isn't even remotely complicated, because Twitch really is that blatant.


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Ajiri
10/20/23 4:09:58 AM
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If SSSniperwolf really read that tweet from Pokimane for sure she was crying, damn that's harsh man

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