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*pictures God writin' shit down*

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The 10 Commandments were written by G-d. They are found in the Tanakh, not the Christian 'New' Testament.

It's also claimed that all the laws written throughout the Tanakh, as well as those in the Oral tradition, were given to Moses by G-d.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_given_to_Moses_at_Sinai
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Moses

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Also, don't try claiming the Tanakh for Christianity. Considering Christianity sees itself as having superceded Judaism, they can't use what they've rejected.

Tom_Joad posted...

The 10 Commandments were written by G-d. They are found in the Tanakh, not the Christian 'New' Testament.

It's also claimed that all the laws written throughout the Tanakh, as well as those in the Oral tradition, were given to Moses by G-d.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_given_to_Moses_at_Sinai
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Moses

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Also, don't try claiming the Tanakh for Christianity. Considering Christianity sees itself as having superceded Judaism, they can't use what they've rejected.

so I guess God also wrote the Code of Hammurabi, which predates the Bible by centuries?

Bro scared to type out god

TyVulpine posted...

so I guess God also wrote the Code of Hammurabi, which predates the Bible by centuries?

Nope.

Tom_Joad posted...

Nope.

https://www.history.com/topics/ancient-middle-east/hammurabi#

ultimate_reaver posted...

Bro scared to type out god

It's a Jewish thing, so that the name of God won't be erased (like when this topic expires.)

mercurydude posted...

It's a Jewish thing, so that the name of God won't be erased (like when this topic expires.)

You'd think an omniscient, all-powerful being would understand that it's not that big a deal.

variasuite posted...

You'd think an omniscient, all-powerful being would understand that it's not that big a deal.

Lol

This plot is poorly written.

variasuite posted...

You'd think an omniscient, all-powerful being would understand that it's not that big a deal.

I think He has. It's the simple-minded people who are making a deal of it.

https://youtu.be/tjWPoQWdmjg?t=30

Live a shitty life and apologize at the end knowing you'll get in for free.

Love me some religious nuts

But I dont want to :(

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Well, some like squiggles form words which are used to form sentences, and even paragraphs! And sometimes those words contain hateful messages, which really don't jive with a God who loves everyone and wants them to live in His house forever.

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For some reason, despite apparently being perfect and the coolest dude ever, Yahweh is incredibly insecure.

Apparently needed to create a slave race and order them to remind him how special and cool he is all the time

DrizztLink posted...

For some reason, despite apparently being perfect and the coolest dude ever, Yahweh is incredibly insecure.

Apparently needed to create a slave race and order them to remind him how special and cool he is all the time

I'll never not see heaven as an eternal theme park that's basically North Korea. Thanks, Hitchens.

I thought you had to honestly repent as well.

That bit might be a little hard for the people treating it as a game, or the real monsters.

Good to know all those knights who slaughtered and raped people in the name of Jesus during the Crusades are chilling in Heaven right now.

Puelto295 posted...

Good to know all those knights who slaughtered and raped people in the name of Jesus during the Crusades are chilling in Heaven right now.

Oh, history is littered with bigotry, misogyny and murder in the name of the lord.

We don't even have to go back all that far in history. US history alone is littered with it ranging from slavery/segregation justification, to trans hate of today.

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You originally wanted to know what in the Tanakh was written by G-d. For you had doubts about that assertion. I pointed them out.

And now you're acting as if that was never what I was supposed to answer in the first place?

As for where to draw the line, one text says "G-d wrote this."

And the other says, "A dude that once knew some dude called Jesus, who we (400 years later) think is the son of G-d, said that Jesus said, "Blah."

One claims to be direct, the other claims nothing more than to be a game of literary phone-tag.

One is a self-contained religious/moral compendium... the other can't survive without the first, but at the same time, claims that the first is wrong and has been superseded. The cognitive dissonance needed to follow Christianity is mind-blowing.

Puelto295 posted...

Good to know all those knights who slaughtered and raped people in the name of Jesus during the Crusades are chilling in Heaven right now.

Yeah, maybe Satan is a cool guy and God and the angels slander him because they don't want people to realize Hell isn't the bad place

Zikten posted...

I've heard there is a theory or whatever caled Universal Salvation. According to that, everyone, even Satan, will eventually get into heaven and be forgiven

Ill check into it again. I was "discussing" Christian beliefs and in research stumbled upon that.

Here ya go.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism

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The Christian "bible" itself states that it wasn't written by G-d.

I mean, "Luke" is the writings of Luke, not G-d. Unless you're saying Luke is G-d.

And to top it off, it was written at a time where we actually have historical records of the event. And Roman records make no mention of G-d appearing at the Council of Rome in 382 AD. (Or in the years leading up to it.)

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You're laboring under the impression I'm simply expressing an opinion.

While I am expressing my opinion on the validity of Christianity, the rest of what I am providing is not opinion, but facts to justify my opinion.

So when I say the Tanakh claims that parts of it were written by G-d, that is not my belief. That is me telling you what the Tanakh claims. You can research it for veracity.

Further, when I say the Christian "bible" isn't, that's not my opinion. That's documented fact. The Council of Rome announced, in 382 AD, exactly what the Christian "bible" was. And Christian authorities had to do so, because Emperor Constantine had commissioned the production of 50 bibles in 331.

Which you can't provide unless you've actually determined what is supposed to be in a bible.

So the writers of the bible you use were Roman men between the years of 331-382 AD. That's the facts.

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It's no different than L. Ron Hubbard and his Scientology or Joseph Smith and his Mormonism. (This is my opinion based on the *FACT* that Roman men wrote the Christian bible between 331-382AD.)

What facts do you have the God wrote any part of the Bible at all. More specifically, proof.

As the Book of Contradictions claiming God wrote any of it is about as credible to me finding some ancient scroll in the mountains claiming The Flyong Spaghetti Monster God wrote it and he is our true god. Same to getting a following to agreeing and believing this.

That is the entire problem with this discussion. Religion demands people take seriously nonsensical claims have any validity, because they have faith it's all true. On top of parts in religious text we want to cherry pick as gospel, and cherry pick to ignore when it's inconvenient.

asdf8562 posted...

What facts do you have the God wrote any part of the Bible at all. More specifically, proof.

As the Book of Contradictions claiming God wrote any of it is about as credible to me finding some ancient scroll in the mountains claiming The Flyong Spaghetti Monster God wrote it and he is our true god. Same to getting a following to agreeing and believing this.

Now you want more than the claims made in the book? Now it's empirical evidence?

While that can be given for Christianity (see #129), too much time has passed for the Tanakh. About the only thing that can be proven is that the texts are the same as those found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. So roughly 2,000 years without change.

Until we can find the Ark of the Covenant, it's doubtful we'll ever really know.

People laughed at me for still believing in Santa Claus and Goku.

Tom_Joad posted...

Now you want more than the claims made in the book? Now it's empirical evidence?

While that can be given for Christianity (see #129), too much time has passed for the Tanakh. About the only thing that can be proven is that the texts are the same as those found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. So roughly 2,000 years without change.

Until we can find the Ark of the Covenant, it's doubtful we'll ever really know.

My mistake for not clarifying, I was being rhetorical.

There is 0% evidence God wrote, helped, aided, or did anything at all in the Book of Contradictions we call the Bible. Doesn't matter whatever you're talking about whether it's NT, OT, the Tanakh, Dead Sea Scrolls, the book of Shadows, a magical tome, whatever.

Like I said last post, the Book of Contradictions claiming God wrote any of it is about as credible as some person finding some ancient scroll in the mountains claiming The Flying Spaghetti Monster God wrote it and he is our true god. Same to getting a following to agreeing and believing this for years.

That is the entire problem with this discussion. It just demands you have faith with 0 proof. It demands everyone take seriously whatever faith one has in religious text of some god they believe in.

Religious text saying something is real is not proof and neither is having a following that believes in it. Especially when considering the time period much of this text was written, primitive humans attested fairy tale stories for many of the things they couldn't understand like the weather, disease, or where the sun went at night.

asdf8562 posted...

My mistake for not clarifying, I was being rhetorical.

There is 0% evidence God wrote, helped, aided, or did anything at all in the Book of Contradictions we call the Bible. Doesn't matter whatever you're talking about whether it's NT, OT, the Tanakh, Dead Sea Scrolls, the book of Shadows, a magical tome, whatever.

Like I said last post, the Book of Contradictions claiming God wrote any of it is about as credible as some person finding some ancient scroll in the mountains claiming The Flying Spaghetti Monster God wrote it and he is our true god. Same to getting a following to agreeing and believing this for years.

That is the entire problem with this discussion. It just demands you have faith with 0 proof. It demands everyone take seriously whatever faith one has in religious text of some god they believe in.

Religious text saying something is real is not proof and neither is having a following that believes in it. Especially when considering the time period much of this text was written, primitive humans attested fairy tale stories for many of the things they couldn't understand like the weather, disease, or where the sun went at night.

Ah, okay.

And you're right on this. I just really hate how Christians, despite objectively having the least coherent, least complete, and least justifiable religion... have the gall to push it on everyone they see.

And it can't even exist without Judaism. Yet Christianity denies it and claims it false, having superceded it.

Hello, Christians... you can't supercede something if it's the basis of your religion's existence!

I don't think most of them are saying it was false, just that jesus was a new covenant between man and god, and therefore the old traditions were no longer necessary to the faith.

asdf8562 posted...

My mistake for not clarifying, I was being rhetorical.

There is 0% evidence God wrote, helped, aided, or did anything at all in the Book of Contradictions we call the Bible. Doesn't matter whatever you're talking about whether it's NT, OT, the Tanakh, Dead Sea Scrolls, the book of Shadows, a magical tome, whatever.

Like I said last post, the Book of Contradictions claiming God wrote any of it is about as credible as some person finding some ancient scroll in the mountains claiming The Flying Spaghetti Monster God wrote it and he is our true god. Same to getting a following to agreeing and believing this for years.

That is the entire problem with this discussion. It just demands you have faith with 0 proof. It demands everyone take seriously whatever faith one has in religious text of some god they believe in.

Religious text saying something is real is not proof and neither is having a following that believes in it. Especially when considering the time period much of this text was written, primitive humans attested fairy tale stories for many of the things they couldn't understand like the weather, disease, or where the sun went at night.

You say this and they say you are going to hell. I say I'll see you there I guess. Don't judge lest ye be judged. All I want is a bit of evidence not just writings on people who pulled their God from a neighboring people (Caanites) and their stories from Babylonian myths. You can sink Noahs ark by logically going through the story. How did all the diversity of animals in the americas get there when the last crossing as 10000 years ago. And where Noah landed they would still have to multiply then head over to the NE of asia. Humans and animals.

vycebrand2 posted...

You say this and they say you are going to hell. I say I'll see you there I guess. Don't judge lest ye be judged. All I want is a bit of evidence not just writings on people who pulled their God from a neighboring people (Caanites) and their stories from Babylonian myths. You can sink Noahs ark by logically going through the story. How did all the diversity of animals in the americas get there when the last crossing as 10000 years ago. And where Noah landed they would still have to multiply then head over to the NE of asia. Humans and animals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4OhXQTMOEc

TyVulpine posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4OhXQTMOEc

Really sad that needs to be posted in 2023.

Noahs Ark predates Christianity by a far bit. Popular mythos is that its still sitting on the same hill its always been sitting on.