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Dark_Arbron
10/23/23 2:19:30 AM
#51:


Kradek posted...
I initially tried thinking about recent right-wing grifters and and ideologues who were/are a part of the art world that you could be talking about lol.

Initially I used his name but figured I wouldnt need to. Welp.

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RchHomieQuanChi
10/23/23 2:23:12 AM
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More like right-wingers realizing that the vast majority of popular media hates their politics

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Kradek
10/23/23 2:30:15 AM
#53:


Dark_Arbron posted...
Initially I used his name but figured I wouldnt need to. Welp.

It was more amusing for me that I didn't immediately get it even if it was only for a few seconds.

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Zithers
10/23/23 2:34:31 AM
#54:


SayHeyyShohei posted...
What I don't get is, why does the movie make the white actors who portray the killers who genocided the town as the stars? Why couldn't Scorsese and the marketing company focus on the victims and cast well known actors in those roles?

there are no well known native actors

the book actually mostly focuses on the fbi investigation rather than the person leo portrays and his wife, who are the leads in the movie.

SayHeyyShohei posted...
But people have to realize this paints the movie as celebrating the killers, not the victims, right? People will go to the movie and start empathizing with the white stars, not the lesser known native american actors they don't know.

do you genuinely think people are going to empathize with the murderers? probably dumber than your insistence that baseball analytics are fake.

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coinstarcad
10/23/23 2:35:37 AM
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You know what this just looks like an entitled White Savior story aiming for awards
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10/23/23 2:37:12 AM
#56:


Zithers posted...
do you genuinely think people are going to empathize with the murderers? probably dumber than your insistence that baseball analytics are fake.

people watch movies about the US military all the time

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Zithers
10/23/23 2:40:51 AM
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XxX_6GAMING9GOKU_XxX posted...
people watch movies about the US military all the time

yeah i mean top gun is out and out propaganda

but have you ever seen a martin scorsese movie? you know him right? taxi driver? raging bull? goodfellas? wolf of wall street? his most recent film the irishman? all of these characters are violent assholes basically that you aren't really meant to empathize with or root for, compared to pete 'maverick' mitchell who is portrayed as a god.

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DrizztLink
10/23/23 2:40:56 AM
#58:


Kradek posted...
It was more amusing for me that I didn't immediately get it even if it was only for a few seconds.
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Kradek
10/23/23 2:45:56 AM
#59:


coinstarcad posted...
You know what this just looks like an entitled White Savior story aiming for awards

A great post from somebody who has no idea as to what they're talking about.

Scorsese literally scrapped his original script precisely because he realized it had too much of a written by a white person slant and then literally gave the Osage tribe creative control on telling their own narrative and perspective from the side who suffered during the Rein of Terror.

The Osage tribe had a very heavy hand in directly dictating the storytelling of this.

I don't get this info from only Scorcese, I also get it from a member of the Osage tribe who talked with elders and tribe members who were a part of this.

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MarcyWarcy
10/23/23 2:47:57 AM
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idk if anyone has said it already but the reviewer that said that is armond white, who is infamous for writing contrarian reviews for attention. theres a funny dunkey video about him

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Zwijn
10/23/23 2:51:14 AM
#61:


ai123 posted...
Conservatives showing their usual ability to interpret and understand art.

How embarrassing for them.
Why are they always into anime, one of the media that went woke when the west was still censoring gay people holding hands? Are they stupid?
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Kradek
10/23/23 2:52:48 AM
#62:


Zwijn posted...
Why are they always into anime, one of the media that went woke when the west was still censoring gay people holding hands? Are they stupid?

Probably because of the lolicons. Right-wing anime avatars on social media are often loli's and here in the U.S. it's right-wingers who fight for the right to have child brides.

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Zithers
10/23/23 2:54:57 AM
#63:


Kradek posted...
A great post from somebody who has no idea as to what they're talking about.

Scorsese literally scrapped his original script precisely because he realized it had too much of a written by a white person slant and then literally gave the Osage tribe creative control on telling their own narrative and perspective from the side who suffered during the Rein of Terror.

The Osage tribe had a very heavy hand in directly dictating the storytelling of this.

I don't get this info from only Scorcese, I also get it from a member of the Osage tribe who talked with elders and tribe members who were a part of this.

no way dude. martin scorsese only cares about awards. as if he hasn't already won them before along with heaps of other critical adulation over the past 45 years. and might not even be able to make another movie so rather than make a grand final statement as an artist he just wants awards.

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ai123
10/23/23 2:58:02 AM
#64:


Zwijn posted...
Why are they always into anime, one of the media that went woke when the west was still censoring gay people holding hands? Are they stupid?
I don't know enough about anime to answer.

I know some of them think Japan is some kind of anti woke paradise, immune from 'forced diversity', and leftist censorship.

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Zwijn
10/23/23 3:01:43 AM
#65:


ai123 posted...
I don't know enough about anime to answer.

I know some of them think Japan is some kind of anti woke paradise, immune from 'forced diversity', and leftist censorship.
Japan itself is extremely conservative, but their popular media isnt necessarily related to that. Many of their most popular shows, comics and games were incredibly progressive, among others for their depiction of gender issues and homosexuality. Western dubs and ports were oftentimes changed or completely censored.
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Torgo
10/23/23 3:10:42 AM
#66:


Zwijn posted...
Japan itself is extremely conservative, but their popular media isnt necessarily related to that. Many of their most popular shows, comics and games were incredibly progressive, among others for their depiction of gender issues and homosexuality. Western dubs and ports were oftentimes changed or completely censored.

They are conservative, but they aren't a western Christian culture so the norms of conservatism are going to manifest differently.

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Kradek
10/23/23 3:15:01 AM
#67:


Torgo posted...
They are conservative, but they aren't a western Christian culture so the norms of conservatism are going to manifest differently.

Yeah, from what I've seen of them their conservatism is heavily seen in things like their anti-drug stance and adherence to traditions. Their healthcare and justice system, if right-wingers were actually privy to the information, would likely have them calling Japan "woke".

They're one of the most liberal Asiatic countries.

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Torgo
10/23/23 3:17:23 AM
#68:


Kradek posted...
Yeah, from what I've seen of them their conservatism is heavily seen in their anti-drug stance and their nationalism. Their healthcare and justice system, if right-wingers were actually privy to the information, would likely have them calling Japan "woke".

I don't know about that. Despite the stereotype of being sexually ...experimental... Japan is pretty misogynistic and quite repressive in terms of LGBTQ acceptance in media at least.

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ai123
10/23/23 3:18:43 AM
#69:


Kradek posted...
Yeah, from what I've seen of them their conservatism is heavily seen in things like their anti-drug stance and adherence to traditions. Their healthcare and justice system, if right-wingers were actually privy to the information, would likely have them calling Japan "woke".

They're one of the most liberal Asiatic countries.
Not heard brilliant things about the justice system, to be honest. And they still have capital punishment.

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Kradek
10/23/23 3:31:46 AM
#70:


Torgo posted...
I don't know about that. Despite the stereotype of being sexually ...experimental... Japan is pretty misogynistic and quite repressive in terms of LGBTQ acceptance in media at least.

That doesn't disprove any of my examples.

You're right I didn't listen every single aspect of their society, just easily-recognized examples for most people.

Your LGBTQ example is one of Japan's more nuanced stances because in 2 years they had 5 court rulings on the same-sex marriage, 2 saying the ban was unconstitutional, 1 saying it was not, and 2 upholding the ban while raising other concerns. Like with pretty much all societies, the younger generation is far more tolerating and accepting of the community than the older, more conservative population, which their aging out and dying in Japan is by no means some clandestine secret.

Even though we see them as conservative by our standards on this subject, they still have a far more ideal healthcare system, so are we really more liberal because we have a Supreme Court that ruled against preventing same-sex marriage certifications, yet a healthcare system that bills us as we slowly die instead of earnestly seeking cures because it's more profitable to do so?

I'm sure there are some people who would argue that our healthcare system alone makes us worse than pretty much all democracies/western countries considered conservative that still have a logically sane healthcare system.

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Kradek
10/23/23 3:38:00 AM
#71:


ai123 posted...
Not heard brilliant things about the justice system, to be honest. And they still have capital punishment.

Well, as a Texan I certainly can't cast stones on that, however they infrequently use it, relatively speaking.

In 23 years they've executed 98 people. During Rick Perry's reign from 2001-2014, a 13 year span, 279 people were executed.

While I agree the ideal amount of executions is 0, comparing their numbers to just 1 of the U.S.'s states with capital punishment with 10 less years in the comparison makes them look liberal by comparison, even if not actually liberal on the issue.

And Eastern Asiatic countries, such as the Philippines, China, and Singapore often resort to executions for sometimes even merely drug possession, so comparing them to quite a few of their neighbors they come off as more liberal even in that regard.

Also, I was wrong to have used that example. I found some good things in my research initially, finding far worse or at least similar systems to the U.S. currently. Currently reading about "Hostage Justice" system, so I'll acknowledge that was a poor example on my part.

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SayHeyyShohei
10/23/23 4:55:12 AM
#72:


CrimsonGear80 posted...
maybe watch the movie??

thats not what I said???

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SayHeyyShohei
10/23/23 4:56:27 AM
#73:


Guide posted...
You're really treating it like the same thing.

How?

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SayHeyyShohei
10/23/23 4:58:23 AM
#74:


Zithers posted...


do you genuinely think people are going to empathize with the murderers? probably dumber than your insistence that baseball analytics are fake.

Not what I said, and I never said baseball analytics were fake either.

Is CE's gimmick in 2023 just to lie about everything?

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Phoro
10/23/23 5:01:08 AM
#75:


SayHeyyShohei posted...
But people have to realize this paints the movie as celebrating the killers, not the victims, right? People will go to the movie and start empathizing with the white stars, not the lesser known native american actors they don't know.

No. If you watch this movie (I just got out of it) and find yourself empathizing with the main white characters, you're a gigantic piece of shit and likely know it.

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SayHeyyShohei
10/23/23 5:06:29 AM
#76:


Phoro posted...
No. If you watch this movie (I just got out of it) and find yourself empathizing with the main white characters, you're a gigantic piece of shit and likely know it.

I said go in and start empathisizing, not watch the movie and finish not empathaziing.

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Phoro
10/23/23 5:12:13 AM
#77:


coinstarcad posted...
You know what this just looks like an entitled White Savior story aiming for awards

It's actually one of the more brilliant things about this movie and its marketing... the trailer heavily implies that Leo is going to be a White Savior, but the actual film portrays him as the absolute antithesis of the trope. It's really quite refreshing, though brutally realistic.

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CrimsonGear80
10/23/23 5:18:10 AM
#78:


SayHeyyShohei posted...
thats not what I said???

well I mean you are basically saying that because the actors playing the "bad guys" have top billing that the movie glamorizes their actions.

and I said "actually watch the movie" since you clearly know nothing.


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DnDer
10/23/23 5:20:11 AM
#79:


Kradek posted...
I was hearing a member of the tribe talk about it (he was in the lobby during the showing on a live call into one of my progressive pundits who has a regular and weekly segment with him and a native woman from a Canadian tribe talk about issues and things from the Native perspective) and he was talking about how tribal elders were tearing up and it was hard to watch because within the first 15 minutes it's very brutally honest in its telling.

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SayHeyyShohei
10/23/23 5:35:20 AM
#80:


CrimsonGear80 posted...
well I mean you are basically saying that because the actors playing the "bad guys" have top billing that the movie glamorizes their actions.

and I said "actually watch the movie" since you clearly know nothing.

SayHeyyShohei posted...
I said go in and start empathisizing, not watch the movie and finish not empathaziing.


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Ragtag28
10/23/23 5:59:10 AM
#81:


SayHeyyShohei posted...
I get that, but you do realize who is on the posters and who will be getting the Oscar noms, right?

It'd be like making a movie about slavery, but casting Matt Damon to be the slave owner and have him on all the posters. Or the Mai Lai massacre and doing the same thing. It's disgusting.
Have you watched django?

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10/23/23 6:05:20 AM
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SayHeyyShohei
10/23/23 6:26:43 AM
#83:


Ragtag28 posted...
Have you watched django?

I have. Do you remember how it was marketed? Jamie Foxx and Kerry Washington dominated the press runs.

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CrimsonGear80
10/23/23 6:54:08 AM
#84:


SayHeyyShohei posted...
I said go in and start empathisizing, not watch the movie and finish not empathaziing.

Do you really think those who actually know what this movie is about would do that?

This isn't the Avengers...

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CrimsonGear80
10/23/23 6:55:10 AM
#85:


Foppe posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/9/3/AAA_aCAAE9v1.jpg

god just....in one image you can see how fucking outrage culture and culture wars perpetrated by the alt-right has ruined everything...

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SayHeyyShohei
10/23/23 7:17:02 AM
#86:


CrimsonGear80 posted...
Do you really think those who actually know what this movie is about would do that?

This isn't the Avengers...

Cool, you do realize a lot of people don't know what this movie is about and will see it purely because it's Scorcese and has Leo/DeNiro?

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CrimsonGear80
10/23/23 7:24:47 AM
#87:


SayHeyyShohei posted...
Cool, you do realize a lot of people don't know what this movie is about and will see it purely because it's Scorcese and has Leo/DeNiro?

so you think, in the age of the internet, that people don't look things up they may be interested in?

even if for some reason they don't, I think Scorcese fans who have seen his movies know the kind of main characters most of his films have...

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SayHeyyShohei
10/23/23 9:47:46 AM
#88:


CrimsonGear80 posted...
so you think, in the age of the internet, that people don't look things up they may be interested in?

yes? have you been under a rock for the past 8 years?

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Were_Wyrm
10/23/23 10:01:49 AM
#89:


Never understood why people get so bent out of shape over popcorn flix.

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A_Good_Boy
10/23/23 10:05:07 AM
#90:


SayHeyyShohei posted...
Cool, you do realize a lot of people don't know what this movie is about and will see it purely because it's Scorcese and has Leo/DeNiro?
So someone would watch the movie because they're fans of Scorcese and being drawn in due to also enjoying Leo/DeNiro as actors then they'd come out of the movie having learned something new. What's the controversy you're trying to sell?

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Devilanse333
10/23/23 10:10:32 AM
#91:


Zithers posted...
you guys are taking armond white bait

Its what they do.

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FunWithAFryPan
10/23/23 10:13:56 AM
#92:


SayHeyyShohei posted...
Or maybe he shouldn't have nepo'd Leo and DeNiro into another movie? This movie is about how a native american town was slaughtered. This really happened. And he decided to cast two white mega stars to get people to watch it.

That's pretty bad.
Whats bad about it?

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Heineken14
10/23/23 10:18:04 AM
#93:


Zithers posted...
you guys are taking armond white bait


Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long while! lol

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Kradek
10/23/23 11:36:07 AM
#94:


DnDer posted...
manofculture.gif

I'm a daywalker, though.

Are you a listener of John Fugelsang's Tell Me Everything?

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CrimsonGear80
10/23/23 12:23:50 PM
#95:


SayHeyyShohei posted...
yes? have you been under a rock for the past 8 years?

so you are debunking your own argument?

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Robot2600
10/23/23 12:40:27 PM
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how can u not like his movies? it's like not liking the Corvette. maybe it's not your favorite car, but it's a Corvette.

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SayHeyyShohei
10/23/23 12:46:40 PM
#97:


CrimsonGear80 posted...
so you are debunking your own argument?

What?

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DnDer
10/23/23 7:20:21 PM
#98:


Kradek posted...
Are you a listener of John Fugelsang's Tell Me Everything?

Indeed!

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Kradek
10/24/23 4:03:25 PM
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DnDer posted...
Indeed!

Ha, nice.

menofculture.jpg indeed.

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