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McSame_as_Bush 10/22/23 6:36:36 PM #1:	Stifling the urge to retch became a difficult task as I walked through the lower levels of Israels National Center of Forensic Medicine (Abu Kabir) in Tel Aviv. The smell of rotting human remains, much of which was completely unrecognizable as human due to the brutality of the attack, was at times too much to bear. Forensic pathologists, including Israeli staffers as well as volunteers from abroad, were visibly disturbed by the evidence before them. Despite every effort to remain objective and detachedas called for by the professionmany broke down into tears throughout the day. During the initial press conference, the forensics team showed images from their investigations. Among the images were those of charred hands with marks that revealed where the victims hands were bound behind their backs with metal wire before being burned alive. Perhaps the most disturbing image in the slideshow was a completely charred mass of flesh, which at first glance could not be seen as ever having belonged to a human. It was only after a CT scan was done that experts could see the inhumanity of the image. Two spinal cordsone belonging to an adult, one to someone younga parent and child bound together by metal wires in a final embrace before being set alight. When you do this job downstairs, you get detached, Dr. Chen Kugel, the head of Abu Kabir, told The Media Line. But then you learn the stories and connect to the people. Its hard not to feel the tragedy. Its so big. And when I go to the Shura camp [where deceased bodies in Israel are first collected] and see containers like youd see at the portbut theyre all full of bodies And you hear the storiesthat behind their charred bodies, something terrible happenedits very difficult. Ive seen many things in my 31-year career, but the magnitude and the cruelty [here] is terrible, Kugel added. The proportion of bodies weve received who are charred is high, Kugel explained. Many have gunshot wounds in their hands, showing they put their hands up to their faces in defense. Many were burned alive in their homes. We know they were burned alive because there is soot in their trachea, their throatsmeaning they were still breathing when set on fire. The single mercy, Kugel saidif there is one to be foundis that the burned victims likely died from carbon monoxide and soot inhalation before the fire killed them. Kugel also explained that the age range of the victims spans from 3 months to 80 or 90 years old. Many bodies, including those of babies, are without heads. Asked if they were decapitated, Kugel answered yes. Although he admits that, given the circumstances, its difficult to ascertain whether they were decapitated before or after death, as well as how they were beheaded, whether cut off by knife or blown off by RPG, he explained. Kugel was far from the only one who got emotional when discussing the evident travesty. We disassociate because we need to work, but from time to time it gets to you, Dr. Nurit Bublil, head of Abu Kabirs DNA laboratory, told The Media Line. Asked if they were decapitated, Kugel answered yes. Although he admits that, given the circumstances, its difficult to ascertain whether they were decapitated before or after death, as well as how they were beheaded, whether cut off by knife or blown off by RPG, he explained. Kugel was far from the only one who got emotional when discussing the evident travesty. We disassociate because we need to work, but from time to time it gets to you, Dr. Nurit Bublil, head of Abu Kabirs DNA laboratory, told The Media Line. Yesterday, I opened evidence from a house in a southern kibbutz, and there was a popular recipe book covered in blood. I have this same book, and it makes you take a moment and think, it could have been my kitchen, my children, my parents, me. You cant avoid it, she said. Additionally, Israels small population gives rise to the fact that no one is far removed from the wake of the massacre. My sister has a close friend of hers who is still missing, said Bublil, as she stood beside a blood-stained mattress from a babys crib. The DNA from the mattress will be used to try and identify a brutally disfigured and unaccounted-for infant. I got the message today from my neighbor, Bublil continued. She asked if I could help because her good friends husband, father, two nephews, and father-in-laws wife were all murdered too and have yet to be identified. This is the crux of the forensic pathology centers current mission in which roughly 200 experts are participating. Forensic pathologists, anthropologists, radiologists, and more from Israel as well as from the US, Switzerland, New Zealand, and elsewhere around the world have come not simply to determine the victims causes of death but to identify the bodies for burial. Fighting back tears, Israeli forensic pathologist Dr. Hagar Mizrahi explained that as you know, the Jewish people must bury their dead as soon as possible. But as of this writing, nearly two weeks have passed since the massacre, and some 350 bodies remain unidentified. So, the people here at Abu Kabir are doing their best to help and identify the most severe cases that arrive. Four places around the country are currently working to identify and release bodies for burial. The Israel Police headquarters in Jerusalem is handling all the antemortem samples and personal items for DNA comparisons. The Israel Defense Forces is working on 1-1 DNA comparisons using their data on soldiers, including fingerprints, dental records, and DNA. In addition, Abu Kabir is working to collect DNA samples and identification for the most severe cases. Its also where all the DNA samples from other locations come for additional testing. And the Shura camp near Ramla, in central Israel, is where all the deceased are initially collected. Shura currently has some 950 body bags in its possession. The word bags is written here instead of bodies because its not clear how many victims there are within them. More than one persons remains may be in a single bag, Kugel explained, and one persons remains may be in multiple bags. When looking at remains, he added, We know there are multiple people because we see double. For example, if you see two bones from the left maxilla, then it couldnt be from the same person. And in many cases, bones without so much as a speck of extractable DNA are all thats left. For that reason, Kugel said that some victims families would be right to fear the worst. We hope that with CT and biopsies, we can bring the unidentified down to less than 200. But some people, we will never find. We will never identify them. And people need to be prepared for this. Speaking personally, Bublil said that she wants the world to know that generally, Hamas enjoyed the killing. According to Bublil, This was not combat, or a military conflict, or a state conflict, or a political conflict. [Hamas] enjoyed the murders so much that they did everything they could do to celebrate the killing. They celebrated burning houses with civilians inside who didnt do anything to them. They enjoyed grabbing an 18-year-old girl from a party, a festival, dragging her to a car, and taking her to Gaza. And who knows what happened [to her] in between. They enjoyed and celebrated the death. These are monsters. Theyre not human They werent merciful to anyone. No one who was alive and encountered them remained alive. No one. I don't know if I can link to the story it due to the images, but Huffington Post has a link. --- not a lot, just forever <cite>McSame_as_Bush posted [p:976804250] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote><quote>Stifling the urge to retch became a difficult task as I walked through the lower levels of Israels National Center of Forensic Medicine (Abu Kabir) in Tel Aviv. The smell of rotting human remains, much of which was completely unrecognizable as human due to the brutality of the attack, was at times too much to bear.Forensic pathologists, including Israeli staffers as well as volunteers from abroad, were visibly disturbed by the evidence before them. Despite every effort to remain objective and detachedas called for by the professionmany broke down into tears throughout the day.During the initial press conference, the forensics team showed images from their investigations. Among the images were those of charred hands with marks that revealed where the victims hands were bound behind their backs with metal wire before being burned alive.Perhaps the most disturbing image in the slideshow was a completely charred mass of flesh, which at first glance could not be seen as ever having belonged to a human. It was only after a CT scan was done that experts could see the inhumanity of the image.Two spinal cordsone belonging to an adult, one to someone younga parent and child bound together by metal wires in a final embrace before being set alight.When you do this job downstairs, you get detached, Dr. Chen Kugel, the head of Abu Kabir, told The Media Line. But then you learn the stories and connect to the people. Its hard not to feel the tragedy. Its so big. And when I go to the Shura camp [where deceased bodies in Israel are first collected] and see containers like youd see at the portbut theyre all full of bodies And you hear the storiesthat behind their charred bodies, something terrible happenedits very difficult. Ive seen many things in my 31-year career, but the magnitude and the cruelty [here] is terrible, Kugel added.The proportion of bodies weve received who are charred is high, Kugel explained. Many have gunshot wounds in their hands, showing they put their hands up to their faces in defense. Many were burned alive in their homes. We know they were burned alive because there is soot in their trachea, their throatsmeaning they were still breathing when set on fire.The single mercy, Kugel saidif there is one to be foundis that the burned victims likely died from carbon monoxide and soot inhalation before the fire killed them.Kugel also explained that the age range of the victims spans from 3 months to 80 or 90 years old. Many bodies, including those of babies, are without heads.Asked if they were decapitated, Kugel answered yes. Although he admits that, given the circumstances, its difficult to ascertain whether they were decapitated before or after death, as well as how they were beheaded, whether cut off by knife or blown off by RPG, he explained.Kugel was far from the only one who got emotional when discussing the evident travesty. We disassociate because we need to work, but from time to time it gets to you, Dr. Nurit Bublil, head of Abu Kabirs DNA laboratory, told The Media Line.Asked if they were decapitated, Kugel answered yes. Although he admits that, given the circumstances, its difficult to ascertain whether they were decapitated before or after death, as well as how they were beheaded, whether cut off by knife or blown off by RPG, he explained.Kugel was far from the only one who got emotional when discussing the evident travesty. We disassociate because we need to work, but from time to time it gets to you, Dr. Nurit Bublil, head of Abu Kabirs DNA laboratory, told The Media Line.Yesterday, I opened evidence from a house in a southern kibbutz, and there was a popular recipe book covered in blood. I have this same book, and it makes you take a moment and think, it could have been my kitchen, my children, my parents, me. You cant avoid it, she said.Additionally, Israels small population gives rise to the fact that no one is far removed from the wake of the massacre. My sister has a close friend of hers who is still missing, said Bublil, as she stood beside a blood-stained mattress from a babys crib. The DNA from the mattress will be used to try and identify a brutally disfigured and unaccounted-for infant.I got the message today from my neighbor, Bublil continued. She asked if I could help because her good friends husband, father, two nephews, and father-in-laws wife were all murdered too and have yet to be identified.This is the crux of the forensic pathology centers current mission in which roughly 200 experts are participating. Forensic pathologists, anthropologists, radiologists, and more from Israel as well as from the US, Switzerland, New Zealand, and elsewhere around the world have come not simply to determine the victims causes of death but to identify the bodies for burial.Fighting back tears, Israeli forensic pathologist Dr. Hagar Mizrahi explained that as you know, the Jewish people must bury their dead as soon as possible. But as of this writing, nearly two weeks have passed since the massacre, and some 350 bodies remain unidentified. So, the people here at Abu Kabir are doing their best to help and identify the most severe cases that arrive.Four places around the country are currently working to identify and release bodies for burial.The Israel Police headquarters in Jerusalem is handling all the antemortem samples and personal items for DNA comparisons. The Israel Defense Forces is working on 1-1 DNA comparisons using their data on soldiers, including fingerprints, dental records, and DNA. In addition, Abu Kabir is working to collect DNA samples and identification for the most severe cases. Its also where all the DNA samples from other locations come for additional testing. And the Shura camp near Ramla, in central Israel, is where all the deceased are initially collected. Shura currently has some 950 body bags in its possession.The word bags is written here instead of bodies because its not clear how many victims there are within them.More than one persons remains may be in a single bag, Kugel explained, and one persons remains may be in multiple bags. When looking at remains, he added, We know there are multiple people because we see double. For example, if you see two bones from the left maxilla, then it couldnt be from the same person.And in many cases, bones without so much as a speck of extractable DNA are all thats left. For that reason, Kugel said that some victims families would be right to fear the worst.We hope that with CT and biopsies, we can bring the unidentified down to less than 200. But some people, we will never find. We will never identify them. And people need to be prepared for this.Speaking personally, Bublil said that she wants the world to know that generally, Hamas enjoyed the killing.According to Bublil, This was not combat, or a military conflict, or a state conflict, or a political conflict. [Hamas] enjoyed the murders so much that they did everything they could do to celebrate the killing. They celebrated burning houses with civilians inside who didnt do anything to them. They enjoyed grabbing an 18-year-old girl from a party, a festival, dragging her to a car, and taking her to Gaza. And who knows what happened [to her] in between. They enjoyed and celebrated the death. These are monsters. Theyre not human They werent merciful to anyone. No one who was alive and encountered them remained alive. No one.</quote>I don't know if I can link to the story it due to the images, but Huffington Post has a link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alchemist_Emil 10/22/23 6:37:35 PM #2:	The world needs to end hamas asap --- Reject the woke joke /// Support Israel - Defeat Hamas https://youtu.be/XvIed6TqNpY?si=jcjhERkcv4y8AxXb <cite>Alchemist_Emil posted [p:976804263] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>The world needs to end hamas asap </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
McMarbles 10/22/23 6:37:53 PM #3:	But I was told there were no beheaded babies and that made all of it a lie. --- Currently playing: Stardew Valley (Switch) Never befriend a man in sandals and always measure twice, cut once. <cite>McMarbles posted [p:976804269] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>But I was told there were no beheaded babies and that made all of it a lie. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 10/22/23 6:40:00 PM #4:	McMarbles posted... But I was told there were no beheaded babies and that made all of it a lie. You were told Joe Biden had seen 40 beheaded babies and that was a lie --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:976804309] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>McMarbles posted... </cite><quote>But I was told there were no beheaded babies and that made all of it a lie.</quote>You were told Joe Biden had seen 40 beheaded babies and that was a lie </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
McSame_as_Bush 10/22/23 6:45:04 PM #5:	Imagine being this much of a piece of shit. https://twitter.com/EricLevitz/status/1716118168526012839?s=20 --- not a lot, just forever <cite>McSame_as_Bush posted [p:976804396] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>Imagine being this much of a piece of shit.https://twitter.com/EricLevitz/status/1716118168526012839?s=20 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
whitelytning 10/22/23 7:28:10 PM #6:	Alchemist_Emil posted... The world needs to end hamas asap --- ************************************************ http://i.imgur.com/iZdWIKJ.jpg <cite>whitelytning posted [p:976805133] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>Alchemist_Emil posted... </cite><quote>The world needs to end hamas asap</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ForsakenHermit 10/22/23 7:33:34 PM #7:	McSame_as_Bush posted... Imagine being this much of a piece of shit. https://twitter.com/EricLevitz/status/1716118168526012839?s=20 Someone needs to show Levitz this. https://youtu.be/YAgRBq2jnz4?si=ZREzQrUXx2JOQgY8 --- Beware the fanatic! Too often his cure is deadlier by far than the evil he denounces!-Stan Lee RIP Make Arcades Great Again! <cite>ForsakenHermit posted [p:976805208] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>McSame_as_Bush posted... </cite><quote>Imagine being this much of a piece of shit.https://twitter.com/EricLevitz/status/1716118168526012839?s=20</quote>Someone needs to show Levitz this. https://youtu.be/YAgRBq2jnz4?si=ZREzQrUXx2JOQgY8 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 10/22/23 7:36:11 PM #8:	What Hamas did was horrific. But that doesn't give justification for Israel to commit their own horrors on kids in Gaza. Israel wants to be seen as the good guys. They should be not killing children then <cite>Zikten posted [p:976805249] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>What Hamas did was horrific. But that doesn't give justification for Israel to commit their own horrors on kids in Gaza. Israel wants to be seen as the good guys. They should be not killing children then</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PballDepot 10/22/23 7:38:13 PM #9:	Israel: Bad things happened to us, just let us commit war crimes --- https://youtu.be/Nysb-m49Ol0?si=qo6rSvX3qdRngnMV <cite>PballDepot posted [p:976805278] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>Israel: Bad things happened to us, just let us commit war crimes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kelemvor 10/22/23 7:52:18 PM #10:	Zikten posted... What Hamas did was horrific. But that doesn't give justification for Israel to commit their own horrors on kids in Gaza. Israel wants to be seen as the good guys. They should be not killing children then They havent even invaded Gaza yet, and when they do I guarantee they won't be seeking out babies. They've been bombing Gaza and Humas loves using civilians as human shields. I have no idea why Humas gets a free pass for doing that. I mean, before Israel did anything, they were already being blamed for their own civilians being attacked. It's not like their public opinion in the Islamic world is going to get any worse, so don't be surprised if they go all scorched earth when they finally invade. I just hope this doesn't start goddamn WW3, all because Hamas wanted to stop Israel and Saudi Arabia from forming normal relations. <cite>kelemvor posted [p:976805494] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite><quote>What Hamas did was horrific. But that doesn't give justification for Israel to commit their own horrors on kids in Gaza. Israel wants to be seen as the good guys. They should be not killing children then</quote>They havent even invaded Gaza yet, and when they do I guarantee they won't be seeking out babies. They've been bombing Gaza and Humas loves using civilians as human shields. I have no idea why Humas gets a free pass for doing that. I mean, before Israel did anything, they were already being blamed for their own civilians being attacked. It's not like their public opinion in the Islamic world is going to get any worse, so don't be surprised if they go all scorched earth when they finally invade.I just hope this doesn't start goddamn WW3, all because Hamas wanted to stop Israel and Saudi Arabia from forming normal relations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 10/22/23 7:56:59 PM #11:	It doesn't matter what Hamas does. It's Israel's job to avoid killing civilians. If they can't take out a Hamas leader without killing 50 people, then wait. And find another way. I don't care what excuse Israel comes up with, it is never justified to kill a Palestinian civilian. <cite>Zikten posted [p:976805574] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>It doesn't matter what Hamas does. It's Israel's job to avoid killing civilians. If they can't take out a Hamas leader without killing 50 people, then wait. And find another way. I don't care what excuse Israel comes up with, it is never justified to kill a Palestinian civilian. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyborgSage00x0 10/22/23 7:58:44 PM #12:	Zikten posted... What Hamas did was horrific. But that doesn't give justification for Israel to commit their own horrors on kids in Gaza. Israel wants to be seen as the good guys. They should be not killing children then Have they? Aside from collateral damage from rockets, which is virtually unavoidable short of drine strikes (and even then...). --- PotD's resident Film Expert. <cite>CyborgSage00x0 posted [p:976805589] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite><quote>What Hamas did was horrific. But that doesn't give justification for Israel to commit their own horrors on kids in Gaza. Israel wants to be seen as the good guys. They should be not killing children then</quote>Have they? Aside from collateral damage from rockets, which is virtually unavoidable short of drine strikes (and even then...). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom_Joad 10/22/23 7:59:22 PM #13:	Zikten posted... It doesn't matter what Hamas does. It's Israel's job to avoid killing civilians. If they can't take out a Hamas leader without killing 50 people, then wait. And find another way. I don't care what excuse Israel comes up with, it is never justified to kill a Palestinian civilian. But hey, HAMAS is horrible, right? But we shouldn't actually DO anything to stop them. 'Cause, you know, human shields. They get to do whatever they want, whenever they want. And if anybody does anything to stop them, they're genocidal maniacs. Did I get that right? --- "History shows again and again that nature points out the folly of man. Go go Godzilla!" Godzilla - Blue Oyster Cult <cite>Tom_Joad posted [p:976805601] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite><quote>It doesn't matter what Hamas does. It's Israel's job to avoid killing civilians. If they can't take out a Hamas leader without killing 50 people, then wait. And find another way. I don't care what excuse Israel comes up with, it is never justified to kill a Palestinian civilian.</quote>But hey, HAMAS is horrible, right? But we shouldn't actually DO anything to stop them. 'Cause, you know, human shields.They get to do whatever they want, whenever they want. And if anybody does anything to stop them, they're genocidal maniacs.Did I get that right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 10/22/23 7:59:26 PM #14:	Yes. It's been confirmed that kids have died in Palestine <cite>Zikten posted [p:976805602] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>Yes. It's been confirmed that kids have died in Palestine</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 10/22/23 8:00:04 PM #15:	Tom_Joad posted... But hey, HAMAS is horrible, right? But we shouldn't actually DO anything to stop them. 'Cause, you know, human shields. They get to do whatever they want, whenever they want. And if anybody does anything to stop them, they're genocidal maniacs. Did I get that right? So you think the only way to take down hamas is by bombing them? It's impossible to send in ground special forces strike teams? Ok.... <cite>Zikten posted [p:976805611] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>Tom_Joad posted... </cite><quote>But hey, HAMAS is horrible, right? But we shouldn't actually DO anything to stop them. 'Cause, you know, human shields.They get to do whatever they want, whenever they want. And if anybody does anything to stop them, they're genocidal maniacs.Did I get that right?</quote>So you think the only way to take down hamas is by bombing them? It's impossible to send in ground special forces strike teams? Ok....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeoRavus 10/22/23 8:02:52 PM #16:	How much better was the US during the Gulf and Iraq wars concerning collateral damage? Now we're giving Israel 100 Billion to fund this shit. I guess that's where my eBay money will be going with this fucking 1099-K bullshit. --- This is where cool people write stuff. <cite>LeoRavus posted [p:976805662] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>How much better was the US during the Gulf and Iraq wars concerning collateral damage? Now we're giving Israel 100 Billion to fund this shit.I guess that's where my eBay money will be going with this fucking 1099-K bullshit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom_Joad 10/22/23 8:04:10 PM #17:	Zikten posted... So you think the only way to take down hamas is by bombing them? It's impossible to send in ground special forces strike teams? Ok.... Because you're the expert on air and ground combat, right? And, of course, everyone should do everything possible to make sure HAMAS doesn't get hurt if anyone does try to stop them (which, of course, is evil and genocidal, right?). That anyone who does try and stop them should always endanger their own lives, not HAMAS's. All the while having the world kick and spit on them for being evil, genocidal maniacs. Have I got that right? --- "History shows again and again that nature points out the folly of man. Go go Godzilla!" Godzilla - Blue Oyster Cult <cite>Tom_Joad posted [p:976805686] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite><quote>So you think the only way to take down hamas is by bombing them? It's impossible to send in ground special forces strike teams? Ok....</quote>Because you're the expert on air and ground combat, right?And, of course, everyone should do everything possible to make sure HAMAS doesn't get hurt if anyone does try to stop them (which, of course, is evil and genocidal, right?). That anyone who does try and stop them should always endanger their own lives, not HAMAS's.All the while having the world kick and spit on them for being evil, genocidal maniacs.Have I got that right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
archizzy 10/22/23 8:11:17 PM #18:	LeoRavus posted... How much better was the US during the Gulf and Iraq wars concerning collateral damage? Now we're giving Israel 100 Billion to fund this shit. I guess that's where my eBay money will be going with this fucking 1099-K bullshit. This was in the days before social media and in the early days of the popularity of 24 hours news coverage but my ship in the initial gulf war during Desert Shield launched 13 Tomahawk missiles and one of them ended up taking out a hospital. It was well known on my ship but I don't think any news outlet ever knew. --- PSN ID: sled_dogs76 60" Pioneer Kuro Elite PRO151FD, Yamaha RX-V3900 A/V Receiver, Oppo DV983-H player. Coming soon: 2 Seaton Submersives from Mark Seaton <cite>archizzy posted [p:976805827] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>LeoRavus posted... </cite><quote>How much better was the US during the Gulf and Iraq wars concerning collateral damage? Now we're giving Israel 100 Billion to fund this shit.I guess that's where my eBay money will be going with this fucking 1099-K bullshit.</quote>This was in the days before social media and in the early days of the popularity of 24 hours news coverage but my ship in the initial gulf war during Desert Shield launched 13 Tomahawk missiles and one of them ended up taking out a hospital. It was well known on my ship but I don't think any news outlet ever knew. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 10/22/23 8:13:44 PM #19:	Tom_Joad posted... Because you're the expert on air and ground combat, right? And, of course, everyone should do everything possible to make sure HAMAS doesn't get hurt if anyone does try to stop them (which, of course, is evil and genocidal, right?). That anyone who does try and stop them should always endanger their own lives, not HAMAS's. All the while having the world kick and spit on them for being evil, genocidal maniacs. Have I got that right? If you kill kids, you are in the wrong. Simple as that. No excuses <cite>Zikten posted [p:976805869] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>Tom_Joad posted... </cite><quote>Because you're the expert on air and ground combat, right?And, of course, everyone should do everything possible to make sure HAMAS doesn't get hurt if anyone does try to stop them (which, of course, is evil and genocidal, right?). That anyone who does try and stop them should always endanger their own lives, not HAMAS's.All the while having the world kick and spit on them for being evil, genocidal maniacs.Have I got that right?</quote>If you kill kids, you are in the wrong. Simple as that. No excuses</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 10/22/23 8:14:48 PM #20:	Years from now, there will he articles and documentaries about the horrors Palestine went through. I believe decades from now, history will look badly on what Israel is doing right now <cite>Zikten posted [p:976805890] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>Years from now, there will he articles and documentaries about the horrors Palestine went through. I believe decades from now, history will look badly on what Israel is doing right now</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeoRavus 10/22/23 8:18:06 PM #21:	archizzy posted... This was in the days before social media and in the early days of the popularity of 24 hours news coverage but my ship in the initial gulf war during Desert Shield launched 13 Tomahawk missiles and one of them ended up taking out a hospital. It was well known on my ship but I don't think any news outlet ever knew. I remember interviews with civilians saying how their homes and families were bombed to oblivion. Most of the news coverage I remember from the Gulf was like a fireworks show. --- This is where cool people write stuff. <cite>LeoRavus posted [p:976805940] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>archizzy posted... </cite><quote>This was in the days before social media and in the early days of the popularity of 24 hours news coverage but my ship in the initial gulf war during Desert Shield launched 13 Tomahawk missiles and one of them ended up taking out a hospital. It was well known on my ship but I don't think any news outlet ever knew.</quote>I remember interviews with civilians saying how their homes and families were bombed to oblivion. Most of the news coverage I remember from the Gulf was like a fireworks show. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
variasuite 10/22/23 8:18:20 PM #22:	PballDepot posted... Israel: Bad things happened to us, just let us commit war crimes --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycE7bUq3-2k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1kbLwvqugk <cite>variasuite posted [p:976805945] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>PballDepot posted... </cite><quote>Israel: Bad things happened to us, just let us commit war crimes</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sandalorn 10/22/23 8:21:39 PM #23:	It's pure evil how many people on this board value the lives of Palestinian children so much less than Israeli. Just so many /shrugs when it comes to their deaths. --- Posted under Ellesarian in a past life. <cite>Sandalorn posted [p:976806006] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>It's pure evil how many people on this board value the lives of Palestinian children so much less than Israeli.Just so many /shrugs when it comes to their deaths. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyborgSage00x0 10/23/23 2:45:01 AM #24:	Zikten posted... Yes. It's been confirmed that kids have died in Palestine So long as they weren't directly targeted, then it's a false equivalency. All wars have kids dies. It shouldn't happen, but it does. That's pretty different than deliberately targeting children for murder. There's plenty legit critism of Israel without having to play this game, here. --- PotD's resident Film Expert. <cite>CyborgSage00x0 posted [p:976810815] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite><quote>Yes. It's been confirmed that kids have died in Palestine</quote>So long as they weren't directly targeted, then it's a false equivalency. All wars have kids dies. It shouldn't happen, but it does. That's pretty different than deliberately targeting children for murder. There's plenty legit critism of Israel without having to play this game, here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
majin_nemesis 10/23/23 3:27:12 AM #25:	Israel is pretty much holocausting the palestinians but by all means people here should keep acting like Israel are the good guys in here,they aren't they aren't any good guys in this conflict, not sure why people have this need to have one of the sides being the good one, neither are and Israel might be the worse side since it not allowing civilians to get any help, nowhere to run and bombing the hell out of them and what you will think that will happen to people that have just seen their families bombed to hell and everything they owned disappear? some of them will probably join the hamas for revenge creating a vicious cycle that Israel could stop being approaching the conflict in a different way since Israel has the most power here <cite>majin_nemesis posted [p:976811147] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>Israel is pretty much holocausting the palestinians but by all means people here should keep acting like Israel are the good guys in here,they aren'tthey aren't any good guys in this conflict, not sure why people have this need to have one of the sides being the good one, neither are and Israel might be the worse side since it not allowing civilians to get any help, nowhere to run and bombing the hell out of them and what you will think that will happen to people that have just seen their families bombed to hell and everything they owned disappear? some of them will probably join the hamas for revenge creating a vicious cycle that Israel could stop being approaching the conflict in a different way since Israel has the most power here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
McSame_as_Bush 10/24/23 3:00:14 PM #26:	Welp that's enough beheaded videos/images for me. --- not a lot, just forever <cite>McSame_as_Bush posted [p:976837102] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>Welp that's enough beheaded videos/images for me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 10/24/23 3:03:25 PM #27:	Oh good another round of "Which side has been more humanely murdering innocents?" like it fucking matters. The world is sick. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png he/him/they/them <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:976837158] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>Oh good another round of "Which side has been more humanely murdering innocents?" like it fucking matters. The world is sick. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 10/24/23 3:06:06 PM #28:	majin_nemesis posted... Israel is pretty much holocausting the palestinians but by all means people here should keep acting like Israel are the good guys in here,they aren't Who is? You are upset about an article saying beheaded babies did happen? Ummm.... <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:976837206] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>majin_nemesis posted... </cite><quote>Israel is pretty much holocausting the palestinians but by all means people here should keep acting like Israel are the good guys in here,they aren't</quote>Who is?You are upset about an article saying beheaded babies did happen?Ummm....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 10/24/23 3:08:45 PM #29:	WingsOfGood posted... Who is? You are upset about an article saying beheaded babies did happen? Ummm.... People are looking for any excuse to justify the ongoing genocide perpetrated by Israel, and pretending Israel was just minding their own businesses until terrorist animals parachuted into a music festival and forced them to unfortunately catch some civilians in the crossfire when they defended themselves. Terrorists are fighting fascists. Who fucking cares which side is less evil when they're both evil? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png he/him/they/them <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:976837241] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite><quote>Who is?You are upset about an article saying beheaded babies did happen?Ummm....</quote>People are looking for any excuse to justify the ongoing genocide perpetrated by Israel, and pretending Israel was just minding their own businesses until terrorist animals parachuted into a music festival and forced them to unfortunately catch some civilians in the crossfire when they defended themselves.Terrorists are fighting fascists. Who fucking cares which side is less evil when they're both evil? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
McSame_as_Bush 10/24/23 3:10:59 PM #30:	hockeybub89 posted... Oh good another round of "Which side has been more humanely murdering innocents?" like it fucking matters. The world is sick. I think the primary importance of this is because of the people minimizing/denying what happened. --- not a lot, just forever <cite>McSame_as_Bush posted [p:976837289] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted...</cite><quote>Oh good another round of "Which side has been more humanely murdering innocents?" like it fucking matters. The world is sick.</quote>I think the primary importance of this is because of the people minimizing/denying what happened. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 10/24/23 3:11:21 PM #31:	Zikten posted... If you kill kids, you are in the wrong. Simple as that. No excuses If you hide behind civilians and children, you're as complicit or worse. These people have no interest in fighting fair. They will use every single inch of your mercy and conscience to fuck you This is not to say Israel or other parties are innocent or don't deserve to be criticized, but you also have to be very aware of those who will take advantage of your empathy. --- The name is wackyteen for a reason. Never doubt. <cite>wackyteen posted [p:976837292] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite><quote>If you kill kids, you are in the wrong. Simple as that. No excuses</quote>If you hide behind civilians and children, you're as complicit or worse. These people have no interest in fighting fair. They will use every single inch of your mercy and conscience to fuck you This is not to say Israel or other parties are innocent or don't deserve to be criticized, but you also have to be very aware of those who will take advantage of your empathy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZaruenKosai 10/24/23 3:14:38 PM #32:	CyborgSage00x0 posted... So long as they weren't directly targeted, then it's a false equivalency. All wars have kids dies. It shouldn't happen, but it does. That's pretty different than deliberately targeting children for murder. There's plenty legit critism of Israel without having to play this game, here. Nope, they deserve criticism here too, they do not try to avoid civilian casualties. Israel has just as much if not more blood on their hands so they deserve to get called out on their atrocities. They have murdered thousands of children in the last two weeks, and calling it collateral damage is repulsive. They have started the first step and are beginning to expel Palestinians from Israel, they have opened detainment camps in palestine. Isreal does not get to get away with ethnic cleansing and genocide. (Well they probably will actually.) At the very least, the world can protest against it since we are powerless to do anything else. WingsOfGood posted... Who is? Lots of people are.... many times I have seen users on this board excusing everything Israel has done, because of hamas, or some other bullshit reason I have seen people be called Hamas Supporters/Terrorist Sympathizers or even anti-semite for being a harsh critic of Israel. --- RTX 3080 - i9 10850k - LFII 360mm - Enthoo 719/Luxe 2 + 7 140mm ARGB Fans - Z490P - 850w + Plat - 120 Inch Epson 5050UB + QN90NB + Q90R <cite>ZaruenKosai posted [p:976837328] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>CyborgSage00x0 posted... </cite><quote>So long as they weren't directly targeted, then it's a false equivalency. All wars have kids dies. It shouldn't happen, but it does. That's pretty different than deliberately targeting children for murder.There's plenty legit critism of Israel without having to play this game, here.</quote>Nope, they deserve criticism here too, they do not try to avoid civilian casualties. Israel has just as much if not more blood on their hands so they deserve to get called out on their atrocities. They have murdered thousands of children in the last two weeks, and calling it collateral damage is repulsive.They have started the first step and are beginning to expel Palestinians from Israel, they have opened detainment camps in palestine.Isreal does not get to get away with ethnic cleansing and genocide. (Well they probably will actually.)At the very least, the world can protest against it since we are powerless to do anything else.WingsOfGood posted... </cite><quote>Who is?</quote>Lots of people are.... many times I have seen users on this board excusing everything Israel has done, because of hamas, or some other bullshit reasonI have seen people be called Hamas Supporters/Terrorist Sympathizers or even anti-semite for being a harsh critic of Israel. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 10/24/23 3:14:55 PM #33:	wackyteen posted... They will use every single inch of your mercy and conscience to fuck you it's true. used all over the world. we're all fucked when they invoke that. --- beware of the mayor (fall guys). currently playing: WRC 9 (ps4) <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:976837337] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>wackyteen posted...</cite><quote>They will use every single inch of your mercy and conscience to fuck you</quote>it's true. used all over the world.we're all fucked when they invoke that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 10/24/23 3:37:42 PM #34:	hockeybub89 posted... People are looking for any excuse to justify the ongoing genocide perpetrated by Israel, and pretending Israel was just minding their own businesses until terrorist animals parachuted into a music festival and forced them to unfortunately catch some civilians in the crossfire when they defended themselves. Terrorists are fighting fascists. Who fucking cares which side is less evil when they're both evil? thread is about a jounralistic question of facts: Did the beheaded babies exist or was it just Israeli propaganda? Turns out they did according to the article as in it was not false. What to do with this information is a matter of politics but getting upset that the truth was investigated is very strange. Probably some users had the kneejerk reaction when they first heard this story and said immediately it was fake and now they have to eat crow and don't like that. Don't see a single person in the thread or article using this to demonize the Palestinian people and justify genocide. <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:976837712] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite><quote>People are looking for any excuse to justify the ongoing genocide perpetrated by Israel, and pretending Israel was just minding their own businesses until terrorist animals parachuted into a music festival and forced them to unfortunately catch some civilians in the crossfire when they defended themselves.Terrorists are fighting fascists. Who fucking cares which side is less evil when they're both evil?</quote>thread is about a jounralistic question of facts:Did the beheaded babies exist or was it just Israeli propaganda?Turns out they did according to the article as in it was not false.What to do with this information is a matter of politics but getting upset that the truth was investigated is very strange.Probably some users had the kneejerk reaction when they first heard this story and said immediately it was fake and now they have to eat crow and don't like that.Don't see a single person in the thread or article using this to demonize the Palestinian people and justify genocide.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
froghunter75 10/24/23 3:40:55 PM #35:	CyborgSage00x0 posted... So long as they weren't directly targeted, then it's a false equivalency. All wars have kids dies. It shouldn't happen, but it does. That's pretty different than deliberately targeting children for murder. There's plenty legit critism of Israel without having to play this game, here. Easy to say from where you're at but I suspect that if a bomb killed your kid or someone you love you wouldn't feel a whole lot better if the person who sent it told you they weren't the specific target. The discourse around this has been fucking insane, it's pretty easy to say Hamas is a terrorist organization that needs to be eradicated but we shouldn't kill innocent civilians to do it I mean wtf. It's also easy to say that Israel needs to reckon with the things they've done to create the conditions for a group like Hamas to even exist and take responsibility for that but Israeli citizens don't deserve to die for the actions of their government. Like if someone shoots my family and then goes into a like a crowded town square am I justified in throwing a grenade at them and when people ask me "wtf why did you use a grenade for that?" I respond with "well they were using them as a human shield what else could I do? Do you expect me not to react to someone shooting my family?". Does that sound right to any of you? --- Temporary signature <cite>froghunter75 posted [p:976837766] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>CyborgSage00x0 posted... </cite><quote>So long as they weren't directly targeted, then it's a false equivalency. All wars have kids dies. It shouldn't happen, but it does. That's pretty different than deliberately targeting children for murder. There's plenty legit critism of Israel without having to play this game, here.</quote>Easy to say from where you're at but I suspect that if a bomb killed your kid or someone you love you wouldn't feel a whole lot better if the person who sent it told you they weren't the specific target. The discourse around this has been fucking insane, it's pretty easy to say Hamas is a terrorist organization that needs to be eradicated but we shouldn't kill innocent civilians to do it I mean wtf.It's also easy to say that Israel needs to reckon with the things they've done to create the conditions for a group like Hamas to even exist and take responsibility for that but Israeli citizens don't deserve to die for the actions of their government.Like if someone shoots my family and then goes into a like a crowded town square am I justified in throwing a grenade at them and when people ask me "wtf why did you use a grenade for that?" I respond with "well they were using them as a human shield what else could I do? Do you expect me not to react to someone shooting my family?". Does that sound right to any of you? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kradek 10/24/23 4:27:45 PM #36:	These are already old numbers, however the first 6 days of their aerial bombings saw 6000 bombs dropped, the same amount they dropped over 52 days in 2014. We know it's their SOP to bomb an entire neighborhood after confirming a Hamas member is within a single household. We know for a fact that they are bombing South Gaza "safe zones", the direction they're telling people to evacuate after giving a million people merely 24 hours to evacuate. We know for a fact they've bombed emergency vehicles such as ambulances. And we've really got people here trying to say the IDF does not kill indiscriminately, is not responsible for any dead civilians/children, and that it's all on Hamas using civilians as human shields. None of those excuses or condones the actions of Hamas, but come the fuck on, get your heads out of your asses already, people. Israel is 100% responsible for dead Palestinian children even if they are not responsible for all of the dead children. --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) <cite>Kradek posted [p:976838526] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>These are already old numbers, however the first 6 days of their aerial bombings saw 6000 bombs dropped, the same amount they dropped over 52 days in 2014. We know it's their SOP to bomb an entire neighborhood after confirming a Hamas member is within a single household.We know for a fact that they are bombing South Gaza "safe zones", the direction they're telling people to evacuate after giving a million people merely 24 hours to evacuate.We know for a fact they've bombed emergency vehicles such as ambulances.And we've really got people here trying to say the IDF does not kill indiscriminately, is not responsible for any dead civilians/children, and that it's all on Hamas using civilians as human shields.None of those excuses or condones the actions of Hamas, but come the fuck on, get your heads out of your asses already, people. Israel is 100% responsible for dead Palestinian children even if they are not responsible for all of the dead children. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 10/24/23 4:45:22 PM #37:	hamas is horrible, so why did netanyahu support them? https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ Really makes one think. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://i.imgur.com/ZkQRDsR.png - https://i.imgur.com/2x2gtgP.jpg <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:976838848] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>hamas is horrible, so why did netanyahu support them?https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/Really makes one think. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZaruenKosai 10/24/23 5:03:33 PM #38:	WingsOfGood posted... Who is? You are upset about an article saying beheaded babies did happen? Ummm.... He's not getting upset over it being true. aside for the fact that it means more death and suffering for innocents that didnt deserve it, which is always a good reason to be upset, but, you're starting to throw blind accusations around which is a common IDF shill tactic . Whether it was true or not did not change that it was a horrible thing to have happenned and no one deserves to have that happen, it's inhumane, it's monstrous. It being true or not does not change the fact that Israel is still responsible for the murder and deaths of thousands of Palestinians Children who also did not deserve to die . It still does not change the fact that Israel has essentially tortured the people of Palestine for decades now and exploited and abused the population there by poisoning their resources and than forcing them to rely on Israel instead. It still does not change the fact that Israel is rounding up Palestinians both in Israel, and in Palestine and putting them in prison camps, it's despicable when Hamas, a terrorist Organization commits war crimes and atrocities. It's also despicable when Israel does it, it makes them no better than they are resorting to the same and far worse tactics. WingsOfGood posted... What to do with this information is a matter of politics but getting upset that the truth was investigated is very strange. no one is upset about the truth being revealed, only that the pain and suffering was true. WingsOfGood posted... Did the beheaded babies exist or was it just Israeli propaganda? Still does not wash away any of Israels War Crimes. WingsOfGood posted... Probably some users had the kneejerk reaction when they first heard this story and said immediately it was fake and now they have to eat crow and don't like that. no, we have very good reason not to trust Israel, because the government in charge are liars and have lied many times tthroughout the conflict..... aint no onee eating crow.. --- RTX 3080 - i9 10850k - LFII 360mm - Enthoo 719/Luxe 2 + 7 140mm ARGB Fans - Z490P - 850w + Plat - 120 Inch Epson 5050UB + QN90NB + Q90R <cite>ZaruenKosai posted [p:976839202] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite><quote>Who is?You are upset about an article saying beheaded babies did happen?Ummm....</quote>He's not getting upset over it being true. aside for the fact that it means more death and suffering for innocents that didnt deserve it, which is always a good reason to be upset, but, you're starting to throw blind accusations around which is a common IDF shill tactic .Whether it was true or not did not change that it was a horrible thing to have happenned and no one deserves to have that happen, it's inhumane, it's monstrous.It being true or not does not change the fact that Israel is still responsible for the murder and deaths of thousands of Palestinians Children who also did not deserve to die .It still does not change the fact that Israel has essentially tortured the people of Palestine for decades now and exploited and abused the population there by poisoning their resources and than forcing them to rely on Israel instead.It still does not change the fact that Israel is rounding up Palestinians both in Israel, and in Palestine and putting them in prison camps, it's despicable when Hamas, a terrorist Organization commits war crimes and atrocities. It's also despicable when Israel does it, it makes them no better than they are resorting to the same and far worse tactics.WingsOfGood posted... </cite><quote>What to do with this information is a matter of politics but getting upset that the truth was investigated is very strange.</quote>no one is upset about the truth being revealed, only that the pain and suffering was true.WingsOfGood posted... </cite><quote>Did the beheaded babies exist or was it just Israeli propaganda?</quote>Still does not wash away any of Israels War Crimes.WingsOfGood posted... </cite><quote>Probably some users had the kneejerk reaction when they first heard this story and said immediately it was fake and now they have to eat crow and don't like that.</quote>no, we have very good reason not to trust Israel, because the government in charge are liars and have lied many times tthroughout the conflict..... aint no onee eating crow.. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PballDepot 10/24/23 5:51:27 PM #39:	WingsOfGood posted... What to do with this information is a matter of politics but getting upset that the truth was investigated is very strange. No one was upset that the truth was investigated in this case. --- https://youtu.be/Nysb-m49Ol0?si=qo6rSvX3qdRngnMV <cite>PballDepot posted [p:976839979] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite><quote>What to do with this information is a matter of politics but getting upset that the truth was investigated is very strange.</quote>No one was upset that the truth was investigated in this case. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClayGuida 10/24/23 5:55:17 PM #40:	So how many dead children is a reasonable response to this? We're at 2k right now and there doesn't seem to be any signs of stopping. Is 4k enough? 8k? 100k? How many dead Palestinian children is an 'eye for an eye' to the IDF? --- lolAmerica <cite>ClayGuida posted [p:976840047] in There were... [t:80600458]...</cite> <quote>So how many dead children is a reasonable response to this? We're at 2k right now and there doesn't seem to be any signs of stopping. Is 4k enough? 8k? 100k? How many dead Palestinian children is an 'eye for an eye' to the IDF? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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