Current Events > Isn't it actually INSANE how "both sides" ignore Nordic countries?

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ToteAll
10/25/23 1:12:56 PM
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Nordic countries are literally the best place that has ever existed to live out a human life.

Yet one side completely ignores their existence and proposes a system that takes capitalism away from "generating riches to afford social rights" and more into "more more more me me me", while the other side says they want to emulate them, but seems to believe resources generate out of thin air.

It's a crazy world we live in.
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Antifar
10/25/23 1:13:54 PM
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Well at least you've found clarity and perspective that no one else has.

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Justin2Krelian
10/25/23 1:15:23 PM
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People talk about them a lot. Even conservatives sometimes like to claim them, see the American Choppers meme.

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Agonized_rufous
10/25/23 1:15:51 PM
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Sweden doomed it's entire population during COVID

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DarkAssassin89
10/25/23 1:16:54 PM
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Because most countries dont have the relatively small populations to relatively large amounts of natural wealth/resources like they do. Trying to compare their situation to the one in the United States for example is disingenuous and specious at best.

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ToteAll
10/25/23 1:16:57 PM
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Antifar posted...
Well at least you've found clarity and perspective that no one else has.

I disagree, most people realize this, but it doesn't serve politicians at either end of the spectrum.
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ellis123
10/25/23 1:17:08 PM
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Not really, no. Nordic countries have adopted socialist methods for the parts that are successful versus everywhere else and anyone making claims about "both sides" are conservatives and thus by default hate anything that would fall under socialism minus the end result. This is the same with how you can point out a 15 minute city in a picture and get them to say about how amazing that it looks and how they would love to have it, yet at the same time if you ask them if they wanted a 15 minute city they would either not know what it was or outright despise it.

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Foppe
10/25/23 1:17:52 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/2/0/AAA_aCAAE-Pg.jpg

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ToteAll
10/25/23 1:20:20 PM
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ellis123 posted...
Not really, no. Nordic countries have adopted socialist methods for the parts that are successful versus everywhere else and anyone making claims about "both sides" are conservatives and thus by default hate anything that would fall under socialism minus the end result. This is the same with how you can point out a 15 minute city in a picture and get them to say about how amazing that it looks and how they would love to have it, yet at the same time if you ask them if they wanted a 15 minute city they would either not know what it was or outright despise it.

How do Nordic countries generate wealth to pay for their social programs and rights?
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ellis123
10/25/23 1:21:15 PM
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ToteAll posted...
How do Nordic countries generate wealth to pay for their social programs and rights?
Taxation, like every other society that has the concept of currency?

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El_Marsh
10/25/23 1:21:32 PM
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How accepting are they of different ethnicities?

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Ronaldo
10/25/23 1:22:33 PM
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El_Marsh posted...
How accepting are they of different ethnicities?
Depends if those ethnicities positively integrate into their society
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ToteAll
10/25/23 1:27:50 PM
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ellis123 posted...
Taxation, like every other society that has the concept of currency?

Why am I not surprised you think taxation (to collect) is the same as "generate".
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Foppe
10/25/23 1:30:03 PM
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Norway is the world's 5th largest oil exporter and 3rd largest natural gas exporter.
That is how you generate currency.

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ToteAll
10/25/23 1:32:24 PM
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Foppe posted...
Norway is the world's 5th largest oil exporter and 3rd largest natural gas exporter.
That is how you generate currency.

And the others?
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pedro45
10/25/23 1:33:34 PM
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Ronaldo posted...
Depends if those ethnicities positively integrate into their society
That sounds very racist.
Who decides what's positive?

Serious question though about the diversity. I'd consider a more socialist country as long as there's diversity, or a population that isn't just white.
So, yeah, how is the diversity?

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Bandit_Keith
10/25/23 1:37:11 PM
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ToteAll posted...
And the others?
Depends on the country. Exports from most of the big ones are how they make their bank. That and high taxes while taking care of their citizens with those taxes and exports.

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ellis123
10/25/23 1:38:42 PM
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ToteAll posted...
Why am I not surprised you think taxation (to collect) is the same as "generate".
Oh, I misunderstood your question.

Mercantilism.

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ToteAll
10/25/23 1:40:46 PM
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Bandit_Keith posted...
Depends on the country. Exports from most of the big ones are how they make their bank. That and high taxes while taking care of their citizens with those taxes and exports.

Again, taxes are not a method to generate wealth.

Those natural resources explotation and exports, are they mostly/exclusively done by the state?
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ToteAll
10/25/23 1:43:43 PM
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ellis123 posted...
Mercantilism.

I'm gonna need you to elaborate a lot on that.
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Foppe
10/25/23 1:44:01 PM
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ToteAll posted...
And the others?
Finland, Norway and Sweden have large forest resources, and, thus, timber and pulp and paper have been important export products. Sweden also has significant iron ore reserves.
Finland got tech money from Nokia, Angry Birds, Max Payne, etc.
Denmark... always had money because it was a major colonial power.

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ToteAll
10/25/23 1:45:31 PM
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Foppe posted...
Finland, Norway and Sweden have large forest resources, and, thus, timber and pulp and paper have been important export products. Sweden also has significant iron ore reserves.
Finland got tech money from Nokia, Angry Birds, Max Payne, etc.
Denmark... always had money because it was a major colonial power.


ToteAll posted...
Those natural resources explotation and exports, are they mostly/exclusively done by the state?

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SaikyoStyle
10/25/23 1:47:02 PM
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It should be noted that OP is a lying alt-right and is not arguing in good faith.

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ToteAll
10/25/23 1:48:40 PM
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SaikyoStyle posted...
It should be noted that OP is a lying alt-right and is not arguing in good faith.

Will there ever be a time where posting baseless, dumb lies about another user be modable?

I'm literally defending a mixed model in this very topic, with some of the highest taxes in the world. How the fuck is that "alt-right".
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Foppe
10/25/23 1:50:09 PM
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pedro45 posted...
That sounds very racist.
Who decides what's positive?

Serious question though about the diversity. I'd consider a more socialist country as long as there's diversity, or a population that isn't just white.
So, yeah, how is the diversity?
Positive means that they get a job and pay taxes.
As for diversity, in Sweden every fifth person is born in a different country.

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SaikyoStyle
10/25/23 1:50:50 PM
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Go back to 4chan OP. Before you lose your temper, go too far, and get another alt banned.

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K181
10/25/23 1:53:39 PM
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Liberals certainty don't ignore Scandinavia. Hell, that's the only part of the world that exists in their mind's eye when they try to pontificate about how the American left is to the mainstream right of everyone else on that planet.

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ToteAll
10/25/23 1:53:45 PM
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SaikyoStyle posted...
Go back to 4chan OP. Before you lose your temper, go too far, and get another alt banned.

Please leave the topic, there's adults willing to have a discussion rather than throw baseless insults and lies. Thinking "not far left" = alt right is just delusional. The far left has never done anything good for anyone either.
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Ronaldo
10/25/23 1:53:48 PM
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pedro45 posted...
That sounds very racist.
Who decides what's positive?
The society they are integrating into? How is that racist?
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ToteAll
10/25/23 1:54:20 PM
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K181 posted...
the American left is to the mainstream right of everyone else on that planet.

This is true though.
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HashtagSEP
10/25/23 1:54:54 PM
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Whose alt?

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Foppe
10/25/23 1:55:02 PM
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ToteAll posted...
Those natural resources explotation and exports, are they mostly/exclusively done by the state?
No.
Norway got like 30 different companies that produce oil/gas.

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ellis123
10/25/23 1:55:45 PM
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ToteAll posted...
I'm gonna need you to elaborate a lot on that.
I'm not a middle school teacher, so no such elaboration will be given.

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ToteAll
10/25/23 1:55:57 PM
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HashtagSEP posted...
Whose alt?

Tote_All, Eclixor. Closed them both.
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ToteAll
10/25/23 1:57:42 PM
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Foppe posted...
No.
Norway got like 30 different companies that produce oil/gas.

So we're in agreement that a mixed economic system with high taxes and an efficient state is probably the best system there is, that it is not socialism, and that despite the Nords' natural resources, it's still applicable elsewhere to some degree?
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Bandit_Keith
10/25/23 1:58:43 PM
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ToteAll posted...
there's adults willing to have a discussion rather than throw baseless insults and lies
Honestly, you're doing a terrible job attempting your discussion.

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pedro45
10/25/23 1:59:50 PM
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Ronaldo posted...
The society they are integrating into? How is that racist?
If people of one race gets to decide if another race's integration is positive or not.
How can you judge an entire ethnicity on someone's integration? They're cool with it or not. Someone being a terrible person has very little to do with race.
I'm American though, so i see white men deciding for everybody else

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Ronaldo
10/25/23 2:32:40 PM
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pedro45 posted...
If people of one race gets to decide if another race's integration is positive or not.
How can you judge an entire ethnicity on someone's integration? They're cool with it or not. Someone being a terrible person has very little to do with race.
I'm American though, so i see white men deciding for everybody else
What I'm saying has literally nothing to do with race.
Some aspects of culture are not compatible with others.
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DarkAssassin89
10/25/23 3:14:15 PM
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If someone wants to move to another country because that country offers a better quality of life, the least that person should be expected to do is to be relatively in line with and respectful of that countrys values.

The fact that a statement like mine can be construed as racist in 2023 shows how ridiculous the world has become.

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FL81
10/25/23 3:24:47 PM
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Foppe posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/2/0/AAA_aCAAE-Pg.jpg
"capitalism with strong welfare policies" doesn't appeal to either extreme

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Tyranthraxus
10/25/23 3:25:28 PM
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FL81 posted...
"capitalism with strong welfare policies" doesn't appeal to either extreme
It's almost like going to an extreme end is bad or something

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name_unknown
10/25/23 3:33:27 PM
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I only know how Norway operates through Lilyhammer
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ToteAll
10/25/23 4:04:16 PM
#44:


FL81 posted...
"capitalism with strong welfare policies" doesn't appeal to either extreme

Exactly.

The most ironic part is CE's extremists showing up to attack me personally.
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furb
10/25/23 4:07:18 PM
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Don't forget the oil, gas, and sovereign wealth funds.

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ROBANN_88
10/25/23 4:08:28 PM
#46:


ToteAll posted...
Nordic countries are literally the best place that has ever existed to live out a human life.

i assume we're ingoring how Sweden currently has the highest amount of shootings and bombings in europe, and only one where it's steadily increasing every year (except for Ukraine, but that's a special thing)

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Axiom
10/25/23 4:08:46 PM
#47:


ToteAll posted...
Exactly.

The most ironic part is CE's extremists showing up to attack me personally.
Uh huh it's certainly not because you're an obnoxious troll
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ToteAll
10/25/23 4:15:35 PM
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Axiom posted...
Uh huh it's certainly not because you're an obnoxious troll

Yes, saying that the far left is also bad and defending myself when attacked and called "alt right" obviously makes me a troll.

Also who are you?
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ToteAll
10/25/23 4:41:45 PM
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Are you trying to start a separate discussion or something? I've literally just said "far left is bad too" and people start throwing insults and nonsense like "you must be alt-right", "there is no far left", etc.
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