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meatlesshotdogz 10/26/23 12:50:42 PM #1: |
Its a terrible system that lets people win elections through gerrymandering ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cheater87 10/26/23 12:51:12 PM #2: |
Agreed. It is outdated and anti democratic.
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BurmesePenguin 10/26/23 12:51:15 PM #3: |
But you cant and you are also a troll who dont want to.
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Tyranthraxus 10/26/23 12:52:24 PM #4: |
meatlesshotdogz posted...
Its a terrible system that lets people win elections through gerrymandering What does the electoral college have to do with gerrymandering? The electoral college is only for the president of the United States --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Turbam 10/26/23 12:53:01 PM #5: |
The argument I always hear against abolishing it is "But then the majority would get to decide everything!"
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trivialbeing 10/26/23 1:00:35 PM #6: |
Turbam posted... The argument I always hear against abolishing it is "But then the majority would get to decide everything!"that's not a good thing ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Unknown5uspect 10/26/23 1:01:30 PM #7: |
trivialbeing posted...
that's not a good thingHow so? --- How can the moon landing be real if the moon isn't real? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tanthalas 10/26/23 1:01:51 PM #8: |
trivialbeing posted...
that's not a good thingSo its better if the minority get to decide everything? --- Sir Markham pointed out, drinking another brandy. "A chap who can point at you and say 'die' has the distinct advantage". ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Starks 10/26/23 1:05:01 PM #9: |
meatlesshotdogz posted...
Its a terrible system that lets people win elections through gerrymanderingIt absolutely does not do that. It only highlights the artificial and arbitrary nature of state lines. --- Paid for by StarksPAC, a registered 501(c)(4) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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trivialbeing 10/26/23 1:05:23 PM #10: |
that's how you get mob rule. the tyranny of the majority ... Copied to Clipboard!
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trivialbeing 10/26/23 1:05:55 PM #11: |
Tanthalas posted... So its better if the minority get to decide everything?like an oligarchy? We don't have that ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NPC 10/26/23 1:06:49 PM #12: |
Yeah so that way NYC and LA get to pick each president, great idea. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SSMajinVegeta2 10/26/23 1:07:09 PM #13: |
I bet I know your favorite political party lol
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Starks 10/26/23 1:07:29 PM #14: |
NPC posted...
Yeah so that way NYC and LA get to pick each president, great idea.Literally every other country with a presidential system manages this just fine. --- Paid for by StarksPAC, a registered 501(c)(4) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AnsestralRecall 10/26/23 1:07:39 PM #15: |
NPC posted... Yeah so that way NYC and LA get to pick each president, great idea. And the eastern seaboard and the Midwest and texas Shut your mouth Fly over stares should not be determining the outcome of elections over places people actually live ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChocoboMogALT 10/26/23 1:09:23 PM #17: |
NPC posted...
Yeah so that way NYC and LA get to pick each president, great idea.Imagine representing the majority of the country. --- "We live in a country Hasire.." ~ yosouf06 REVOLVER STAKE! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v717/ChocoboMog123/AltEisenRChocoboMog.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kajagogo 10/26/23 1:10:02 PM #18: |
Every vote counts except in a Presidental election, because if you vote wrong, the EC overrides your vote, and it ends up not even mattering.
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texanfan27 10/26/23 1:10:09 PM #19: |
Remove winner takes all from states, then its better represented all aroind
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brestugo 10/26/23 1:13:56 PM #20: |
Should have been done with it after the Civil War.
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Unknown5uspect 10/26/23 1:15:58 PM #21: |
NPC posted...
Yeah so that way NYC and LA get to pick each president, great idea.Strong user name to post ratio --- How can the moon landing be real if the moon isn't real? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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name_unknown 10/26/23 1:17:41 PM #22: |
Also add in ranked voting on every ballot. First past the post getting everything is a terrible system. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bestoffuture 10/26/23 1:18:46 PM #23: |
trivialbeing posted...
that's how you get mob rule. the tyranny of the majority Because tyranny of the minority has been working out great --- Clap for that, you stupid bastards. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReiRei89 10/26/23 1:19:39 PM #24: |
The EC needs to be abolished because land should not win elections. Empty fucking States should not have more voting power than populated States.
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Block_that_Kick 10/26/23 1:21:08 PM #25: |
Get 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of the state legislators to agree and itll happen.
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Starks 10/26/23 1:21:23 PM #26: |
And you can't fix the EC by depopulating states. You have to distribute your voter base into them.
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Compsognathus 10/26/23 1:22:18 PM #27: |
NPC posted...
Yeah so that way NYC and LA get to pick each president, great idea.Compared to right now where everything is decided by like Ohio and Pennsylvania? Your vote inherently matters more in a direct election because it cannot be rendered meaningless just by living in a state that doesn't share your political belief. There are more Republicans in California than any other state and their votes are effectively invalidated by the EC. I've yet to actually here a good argument for the EC that isn't just vague "but NYC will control everything" or the deification of the founding fathers. Explain to me why shouldn't the majority of the population get to decide. And also explain to me that instead of that, it's better to have a couple of swing states decide instead. --- 1 line break(s), 160 characters allowed ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MICHALECOLE 10/26/23 1:22:20 PM #28: |
trivialbeing posted... that's how you get mob rule. the tyranny of the majoritythis mfer silly as heck ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kami_no_Kami 10/26/23 1:23:31 PM #29: |
NPC posted... Yeah so that way NYC and LA get to pick each president, great idea.No. So the people get to pick each President.
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Compsognathus 10/26/23 1:27:46 PM #31: |
Also, congress already gives disproportionate weight to rural areas as is. So it's hardly like losing the EC completely leaves these areas defenseless against "the tyranny of the majority".
Like I wish people would just be honest and say that they don't want to abolish the EC because Republicans would stop winning presidential elections. Because everyone knows that's what they mean. --- 1 line break(s), 160 characters allowed ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 10/26/23 1:27:54 PM #32: |
Just use a top two run-off like every other presidential system in the civilized world
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meatlesshotdogz 10/26/23 1:29:52 PM #33: |
name_unknown posted... Also add in ranked voting on every ballot. First past the post getting everything is a terrible system.Agreed ... Copied to Clipboard!
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brestugo 10/26/23 1:38:25 PM #34: |
Kami_no_Kami posted...
Every. God. Damn. Election. --- Putin delenda est ... Copied to Clipboard!
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the_rowan 10/26/23 1:38:37 PM #35: |
Kami_no_Kami posted...
No. So the people get to pick each President. While I think the EC system is broken, I would like to point out that people in low-density areas deserve representation too, and direct voting means that any actions taken to favor urban areas count for thousands of times more. It would remove all incentive to care about low-density areas that are already lacking in infrastructure and opportunities. --- "That is why war is so tragic. To win means to make victims of your opponents and give birth to hatred." - Kratos Aurion, Tales of Symphonia ... Copied to Clipboard!
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meatlesshotdogz 10/26/23 1:42:19 PM #36: |
the_rowan posted... While I think the EC system is broken, I would like to point out that people in low-density areas deserve representation too, and direct voting means that any actions taken to favor urban areas count for thousands of times more. It would remove all incentive to care about low-density areas that are already lacking in infrastructure and opportunities. they lack opportunities because no one fucking lives there. People in cities make more money because there are more people to do business with. thats just the way the world works ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NatsuSama 10/26/23 1:43:10 PM #38: |
the_rowan posted...
While I think the EC system is broken, I would like to point out that people in low-density areas deserve representation too, and direct voting means that any actions taken to favor urban areas count for thousands of times more. It would remove all incentive to care about low-density areas that are already lacking in infrastructure and opportunities.That's what their house rep is for. And even their 2 senators. If anything they are vastly over represented. --- WAAAH, I CAN'T BEAT THIS GUY WITH HIS TACTICS, I'M GONNA CALL IT SPAM AND CONDEMN HIM FOR USING IT ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 10/26/23 1:46:32 PM #39: |
the_rowan posted...
I would like to point out that people in low-density areas deserve representation tooPeople in low density areas elect governors, state reps, state senators, congressmen, and senators They get plenty of representation --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Were_Wyrm 10/26/23 1:50:37 PM #40: |
Honestly fixing the EC is as simple as fixing the number of reps in the house. There's no reason to cap them at 435, other than one party not wanting to lose control.
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AnsestralRecall 10/26/23 1:52:11 PM #41: |
Doom_Art posted... People in low density areas elect governors, state reps, state senators, congressmen, and senators Yep, and those positions are far better at meeting the needs of their population than the president ever would be. Their needs don't get to supercede the needs of the population at large. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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brestugo 10/26/23 1:54:04 PM #42: |
Were_Wyrm posted...
Honestly fixing the EC is as simple as fixing the number of reps in the house. There's no reason to cap them at 435, other than one party not wanting to lose control. Not necessarily disagreeing, but available space also was a consideration with that number. --- Putin delenda est ... Copied to Clipboard!
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littlebro07 10/26/23 2:06:40 PM #44: |
NPC posted...
Yeah so that way NYC and LA get to pick each president, great idea. If Republicans want to win the presidency with the popular vote then maybe they should, idk, try not being fucking terrible --- https://i.imgtc.com/MGGa6Os.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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brestugo 10/26/23 2:07:59 PM #45: |
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Well that's another issue, but there was a guy from NY who spent most of his terms (plural) in the Bahamas, so in person voting is basically a requirement now. --- Putin delenda est ... Copied to Clipboard!
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willythemailboy 10/26/23 2:09:56 PM #46: |
NatsuSama posted...
If anything they are vastly over represented.Ironically, the state that gets fucked over most in terms of House representation is Montana. The state most over represented is deep blue Rhode Island - by nearly double Montana's level of representation. Were_Wyrm posted... Honestly fixing the EC is as simple as fixing the number of reps in the house. There's no reason to cap them at 435, other than one party not wanting to lose control. texanfan27 posted... Remove winner takes all from states, then its better represented all aroind These two are better options, both individually but especially in combination. --- There are four lights. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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willythemailboy 10/26/23 2:59:22 PM #49: |
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Ahh, you are correct. I was using 2020 data. The 2020 reapportionment is the first time Montana has gotten a second representative. https://www.thegreenpapers.com/Census10/FedRep.phtml?sort=Hous#table --- There are four lights. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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furb 10/26/23 3:01:51 PM #50: |
Gerrymandering would only impact the electoral college if the college failed and selection reverted to Congress. The reason being gerrymandering would impact the actual reps serving and the districts that selected them in that scenario.
Electoral college is based on the amount of reps and senators states are allotted which is not directly related to their districts within a state- which is a concern of gerrymandering. The issue of the allotment of reps is a separate issue but gerrymandering is related to it downstream. --- You know how fads are. Today it's brains, tomorrow, pierced tongues. Then the next day, pierced brains. -Jane Lane ... Copied to Clipboard!
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