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meatlesshotdogz
10/26/23 12:50:42 PM
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Its a terrible system that lets people win elections through gerrymandering
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Cheater87
10/26/23 12:51:12 PM
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Agreed. It is outdated and anti democratic.

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BurmesePenguin
10/26/23 12:51:15 PM
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But you cant and you are also a troll who dont want to.

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Tyranthraxus
10/26/23 12:52:24 PM
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meatlesshotdogz posted...
Its a terrible system that lets people win elections through gerrymandering

What does the electoral college have to do with gerrymandering? The electoral college is only for the president of the United States

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Turbam
10/26/23 12:53:01 PM
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The argument I always hear against abolishing it is "But then the majority would get to decide everything!"
Like...yeah...they should

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trivialbeing
10/26/23 1:00:35 PM
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Turbam posted...
The argument I always hear against abolishing it is "But then the majority would get to decide everything!"
Like...yeah...they should
that's not a good thing
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Unknown5uspect
10/26/23 1:01:30 PM
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trivialbeing posted...
that's not a good thing
How so?

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Tanthalas
10/26/23 1:01:51 PM
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trivialbeing posted...
that's not a good thing
So its better if the minority get to decide everything?

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Starks
10/26/23 1:05:01 PM
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meatlesshotdogz posted...
Its a terrible system that lets people win elections through gerrymandering
It absolutely does not do that. It only highlights the artificial and arbitrary nature of state lines.

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trivialbeing
10/26/23 1:05:23 PM
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that's how you get mob rule. the tyranny of the majority
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trivialbeing
10/26/23 1:05:55 PM
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Tanthalas posted...
So its better if the minority get to decide everything?
like an oligarchy? We don't have that
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NPC
10/26/23 1:06:49 PM
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Yeah so that way NYC and LA get to pick each president, great idea.
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SSMajinVegeta2
10/26/23 1:07:09 PM
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I bet I know your favorite political party lol

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Starks
10/26/23 1:07:29 PM
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NPC posted...
Yeah so that way NYC and LA get to pick each president, great idea.
Literally every other country with a presidential system manages this just fine.

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AnsestralRecall
10/26/23 1:07:39 PM
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NPC posted...
Yeah so that way NYC and LA get to pick each president, great idea.

And the eastern seaboard and the Midwest and texas

Shut your mouth

Fly over stares should not be determining the outcome of elections over places people actually live
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ChocoboMogALT
10/26/23 1:09:23 PM
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NPC posted...
Yeah so that way NYC and LA get to pick each president, great idea.
Imagine representing the majority of the country.

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Kajagogo
10/26/23 1:10:02 PM
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Every vote counts except in a Presidental election, because if you vote wrong, the EC overrides your vote, and it ends up not even mattering.

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texanfan27
10/26/23 1:10:09 PM
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Remove winner takes all from states, then its better represented all aroind

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brestugo
10/26/23 1:13:56 PM
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Should have been done with it after the Civil War.

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Unknown5uspect
10/26/23 1:15:58 PM
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NPC posted...
Yeah so that way NYC and LA get to pick each president, great idea.
Strong user name to post ratio

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name_unknown
10/26/23 1:17:41 PM
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Also add in ranked voting on every ballot. First past the post getting everything is a terrible system.
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Bestoffuture
10/26/23 1:18:46 PM
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trivialbeing posted...
that's how you get mob rule. the tyranny of the majority

Because tyranny of the minority has been working out great

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ReiRei89
10/26/23 1:19:39 PM
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The EC needs to be abolished because land should not win elections. Empty fucking States should not have more voting power than populated States.

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Block_that_Kick
10/26/23 1:21:08 PM
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Get 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of the state legislators to agree and itll happen.

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Starks
10/26/23 1:21:23 PM
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And you can't fix the EC by depopulating states. You have to distribute your voter base into them.

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Compsognathus
10/26/23 1:22:18 PM
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NPC posted...
Yeah so that way NYC and LA get to pick each president, great idea.
Compared to right now where everything is decided by like Ohio and Pennsylvania?

Your vote inherently matters more in a direct election because it cannot be rendered meaningless just by living in a state that doesn't share your political belief. There are more Republicans in California than any other state and their votes are effectively invalidated by the EC.

I've yet to actually here a good argument for the EC that isn't just vague "but NYC will control everything" or the deification of the founding fathers.

Explain to me why shouldn't the majority of the population get to decide. And also explain to me that instead of that, it's better to have a couple of swing states decide instead.

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MICHALECOLE
10/26/23 1:22:20 PM
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trivialbeing posted...
that's how you get mob rule. the tyranny of the majority
this mfer silly as heck
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Kami_no_Kami
10/26/23 1:23:31 PM
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NPC posted...
Yeah so that way NYC and LA get to pick each president, great idea.
No. So the people get to pick each President.

  • Cities arent 100% Democrat. Rural areas arent 100% Republican. It only seems like they are because of our current system which paints them with one of two brushes and thereby disincentivizes dissenters from voting because, why would they? Its a waste of time.
  • The current system of people in Wyoming matter 3 times more than people in California and lets let a handful of low-population swing states decide the election is far worse than lets have everyone vote equally and pick who wins.
  • If Republican policies arent popular enough for them to win without cheating (EC), then they need to adopt better policies.
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Compsognathus
10/26/23 1:27:46 PM
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Also, congress already gives disproportionate weight to rural areas as is. So it's hardly like losing the EC completely leaves these areas defenseless against "the tyranny of the majority".

Like I wish people would just be honest and say that they don't want to abolish the EC because Republicans would stop winning presidential elections. Because everyone knows that's what they mean.

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Doom_Art
10/26/23 1:27:54 PM
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Just use a top two run-off like every other presidential system in the civilized world

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meatlesshotdogz
10/26/23 1:29:52 PM
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name_unknown posted...
Also add in ranked voting on every ballot. First past the post getting everything is a terrible system.
Agreed
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brestugo
10/26/23 1:38:25 PM
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Kami_no_Kami posted...


* The current system of people in Wyoming matter 3 times more than people in California and lets let a handful of low-population swing states decide the election is far worse than lets have everyone vote equally and pick who wins.


Every. God. Damn. Election.

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the_rowan
10/26/23 1:38:37 PM
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Kami_no_Kami posted...
No. So the people get to pick each President.

* Cities arent 100% Democrat. Rural areas arent 100% Republican. It only seems like they are because of our current system which paints them with one of two brushes and thereby disincentivizes dissenters from voting because, why would they? Its a waste of time.
* The current system of people in Wyoming matter 3 times more than people in California and lets let a handful of low-population swing states decide the election is far worse than lets have everyone vote equally and pick who wins.
* If Republican policies arent popular enough for them to win without cheating (EC), then they need to adopt better policies.

While I think the EC system is broken, I would like to point out that people in low-density areas deserve representation too, and direct voting means that any actions taken to favor urban areas count for thousands of times more. It would remove all incentive to care about low-density areas that are already lacking in infrastructure and opportunities.

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meatlesshotdogz
10/26/23 1:42:19 PM
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the_rowan posted...
While I think the EC system is broken, I would like to point out that people in low-density areas deserve representation too, and direct voting means that any actions taken to favor urban areas count for thousands of times more. It would remove all incentive to care about low-density areas that are already lacking in infrastructure and opportunities.

they lack opportunities because no one fucking lives there. People in cities make more money because there are more people to do business with.

thats just the way the world works
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NatsuSama
10/26/23 1:43:10 PM
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the_rowan posted...
While I think the EC system is broken, I would like to point out that people in low-density areas deserve representation too, and direct voting means that any actions taken to favor urban areas count for thousands of times more. It would remove all incentive to care about low-density areas that are already lacking in infrastructure and opportunities.
That's what their house rep is for. And even their 2 senators.

If anything they are vastly over represented.

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Doom_Art
10/26/23 1:46:32 PM
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the_rowan posted...
I would like to point out that people in low-density areas deserve representation too
People in low density areas elect governors, state reps, state senators, congressmen, and senators

They get plenty of representation

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Were_Wyrm
10/26/23 1:50:37 PM
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Honestly fixing the EC is as simple as fixing the number of reps in the house. There's no reason to cap them at 435, other than one party not wanting to lose control.

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AnsestralRecall
10/26/23 1:52:11 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
People in low density areas elect governors, state reps, state senators, congressmen, and senators

They get plenty of representation

Yep, and those positions are far better at meeting the needs of their population than the president ever would be.

Their needs don't get to supercede the needs of the population at large.
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brestugo
10/26/23 1:54:04 PM
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Were_Wyrm posted...
Honestly fixing the EC is as simple as fixing the number of reps in the house. There's no reason to cap them at 435, other than one party not wanting to lose control.

Not necessarily disagreeing, but available space also was a consideration with that number.

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littlebro07
10/26/23 2:06:40 PM
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NPC posted...
Yeah so that way NYC and LA get to pick each president, great idea.

If Republicans want to win the presidency with the popular vote then maybe they should, idk, try not being fucking terrible

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brestugo
10/26/23 2:07:59 PM
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Well that's another issue, but there was a guy from NY who spent most of his terms (plural) in the Bahamas, so in person voting is basically a requirement now.

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willythemailboy
10/26/23 2:09:56 PM
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NatsuSama posted...
If anything they are vastly over represented.
Ironically, the state that gets fucked over most in terms of House representation is Montana. The state most over represented is deep blue Rhode Island - by nearly double Montana's level of representation.

Were_Wyrm posted...
Honestly fixing the EC is as simple as fixing the number of reps in the house. There's no reason to cap them at 435, other than one party not wanting to lose control.

texanfan27 posted...
Remove winner takes all from states, then its better represented all aroind

These two are better options, both individually but especially in combination.

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willythemailboy
10/26/23 2:59:22 PM
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Ahh, you are correct. I was using 2020 data. The 2020 reapportionment is the first time Montana has gotten a second representative.

https://www.thegreenpapers.com/Census10/FedRep.phtml?sort=Hous#table

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furb
10/26/23 3:01:51 PM
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Gerrymandering would only impact the electoral college if the college failed and selection reverted to Congress. The reason being gerrymandering would impact the actual reps serving and the districts that selected them in that scenario.

Electoral college is based on the amount of reps and senators states are allotted which is not directly related to their districts within a state- which is a concern of gerrymandering.

The issue of the allotment of reps is a separate issue but gerrymandering is related to it downstream.

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