Current Events > Police were alerted to the Maine shooter months ago.

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Forty_Niners
10/28/23 5:54:39 PM
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1718383430772084911

Perhaps we need to start treating every threat, veiled or not, as a red flag.

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Rexdragon125
10/28/23 6:04:48 PM
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Law enforcement: "White right wing terrorists are the biggest threat to national security."
Also law enforcement: *Treats them with kids gloves*
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Antifar
10/28/23 6:15:44 PM
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Police do not prevent crime.

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thronedfire2
10/28/23 6:20:10 PM
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he didn't break any laws until he did.

there was nothing to arrest him for

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ZEROWOLF
10/28/23 6:20:32 PM
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Antifar posted...
Police do not prevent crime.

Exactly. This isn't Minority Report. We're gonna start arresting people on 'thought crimes' now?

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Agonized_rufous
10/28/23 6:21:29 PM
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They would have arrested him, got sure, and he'd have more money for better weapons.

The ultimate American soup

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Kimbos_Egg
10/28/23 6:23:03 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
he didn't break any laws until he did.

there was nothing to arrest him for

yup.

stop blaming cops for actually following the fucking law.

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ScazarMeltex
10/28/23 6:23:31 PM
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Antifar posted...
Police do not prevent crime.
This time, like most other times, they didn't even stop the crime while it was being committed or bring the offender to justice.

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Nemu
10/28/23 6:26:01 PM
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It depends on exactly what he said, but it generally sounds like there's not much that can be done in cases like that.
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creativerealms
10/28/23 6:26:52 PM
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There are usually warnings and red flags. They are ignored.

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KnightofShikari
10/28/23 6:27:50 PM
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the article makes it sound like the shooter made threats against people and a military base, the police couldn't find him, and just forgot about it

and there's a possibility they could have taken his firearms away while he was examined for mental health problems. prevention could have done something

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StealThisSheen
10/28/23 6:30:30 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
he didn't break any laws until he did.

there was nothing to arrest him for

Sounds like we need to toughen up red flag laws when it comes to gun ownership, then, yeah? Not saying he should literally be arrested, but such flags should have an impact in owning guns, no?

After all, it's people like you who always blame these things on mental health, right?

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hockeybub89
10/28/23 6:31:47 PM
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KnightofShikari posted...
the article makes it sound like the shooter made threats against people and a military base, the police couldn't find him, and just forgot about it

and there's a possibility they could have taken his firearms away while he was examined for mental health problems. prevention could have done something
No, you see, being made aware of people that are danger to themselves and those around them and doing something about it is mInOrItY rEpOrT

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Kimbos_Egg
10/28/23 6:43:24 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
Sounds like we need to toughen up red flag laws when it comes to gun ownership, then, yeah? Not saying he should literally be arrested, but such flags should have an impact in owning guns, no?

After all, it's people like you who always blame these things on mental health, right?

..its LITERALLY about his mental health though. He was CRAZY.

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StealThisSheen
10/28/23 6:45:39 PM
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Kimbos_Egg posted...
..its LITERALLY about his mental health though. He was CRAZY.

Yes, and this was known.

So why wasn't his access to guns limited? Why was a literally known crazy person allowed to keep his access to firearms?

Because, and I don't know if you realize this, apparently... But a crazy person with no easy access to firearms can't cause NEARLY as much death.

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Waxitron_Gazer
10/28/23 6:46:58 PM
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Kimbos_Egg posted...
..its LITERALLY about his mental health though. He was CRAZY.
well, that and the piss easy access to guns.

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Cemith
10/28/23 6:47:43 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
Yes, and this was known.

So why wasn't his access to guns limited? Why was a literally known crazy person allowed to keep his access to firearms?

Because, and I don't know if you realize this, apparently... But a crazy person with no easy access to firearms can't cause NEARLY as much death.

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Cephalopods
10/28/23 6:48:14 PM
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Making threats of violence isn't a crime? I'm confuse by some of the responses here. I would think that would at least warrant questioning.
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Umbreon
10/28/23 6:49:06 PM
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"But without cops, who will protect us from the bad guys?!"


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Jiek_Fafn
10/28/23 6:51:10 PM
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Well, the article also says he was a firearms instructor which came out as not being true several days ago. So I'd like to see this from another source. I'm not taking breaking news from someplace that isn't up to date on things clearly announced 3 days ago.

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Forty_Niners
10/28/23 6:52:25 PM
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Kimbos_Egg posted...
..its LITERALLY about his mental health though. He was CRAZY.
Should mentally unstable people have access to an armory of weaponry?

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Kimbos_Egg
10/28/23 7:10:12 PM
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Forty_Niners posted...
Should mentally unstable people have access to an armory of weaponry?

Should police officers write laws?

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Forty_Niners
10/28/23 7:12:45 PM
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Kimbos_Egg posted...
Should police officers write laws?
Should they enforce them?

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StealThisSheen
10/28/23 7:12:59 PM
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Kimbos_Egg posted...
Should police officers write laws?

What a weird non-answer. Just admit you don't have an argument.

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creativerealms
10/28/23 7:17:32 PM
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Kimbos_Egg posted...
Should police officers write laws?
No one's saying they should. That's what politicians should do. As well as working on our mental health problem.

Sadly it is in some people's best interest to make it easy for the mentality disturbed to have easy access to guns.

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Kimbos_Egg
10/28/23 7:18:48 PM
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Forty_Niners posted...
Should they enforce them?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/27/maine-shooting-suspect-violence-army-reservist

"The state does not allow police to remove guns temporarily from people whose behavior may be a risk"

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Kimbos_Egg
10/28/23 7:19:14 PM
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creativerealms posted...
No one's saying they should. That's what politicians should do. As well as working on our mental health problem.

Sadly it is in some people's best interest to make it easy for the mentality disturbed to have easy access to guns.

these genius's are. They expect police to arrest people for breaking laws that don't exist in their state.

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StealThisSheen
10/28/23 7:20:18 PM
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Kimbos_Egg posted...
these genius's are. They expect police to arrest people for breaking laws that don't exist in their state.

Who said that? Why won't you respond to the actual arguments being made, instead of strawmen?

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LeoRavus
10/28/23 7:20:41 PM
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Authorities probably get so many of these tips they wouldn't be able to investigate them all. People vent and talk crazy shit all the time.

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Kimbos_Egg
10/28/23 7:21:02 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
Who said that? Why won't you respond to the actual arguments being made, instead of strawmen?


Shh. Adults are talking.

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Forty_Niners
10/28/23 7:21:17 PM
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Kimbos_Egg posted...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/27/maine-shooting-suspect-violence-army-reservist

"The state does not allow police to remove guns temporarily from people whose behavior may be a risk"

While Maine does not have a red flag law, it does have a more limited yellow-flag law that would still allow police to petition a judge to take a persons firearms away if a medical practitioner deems that person to be a threat.

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Kimbos_Egg
10/28/23 7:21:46 PM
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Forty_Niners posted...
away if a medical practitioner deems that person to be a threat


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thronedfire2
10/28/23 7:24:47 PM
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but no medical people deemed him a threat. he checked himself into therapy, he was free to leave.

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Kimbos_Egg
10/28/23 7:25:40 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
but no medical people deemed him a threat. he checked himself into therapy, he was free to leave.

but no, thats the police's fault too, don't you understand?

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StealThisSheen
10/28/23 7:41:21 PM
#35:


Kimbos_Egg posted...
Shh. Adults are talking.

So, in other words, you don't actually want to respond to the questions that require you to actually think, you just want to troll and use buzzwords.

Gotcha.

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StealThisSheen
10/28/23 7:43:06 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
but no medical people deemed him a threat. he checked himself into therapy, he was free to leave.

So, in your own words, if somebody checks themselves in to therapy, admitting that they have thoughts about killing people, they should NOT be studied further, to see why they did so, and to potentially limit their gun usage, based on the findings? Since they're free to go since they checked themselves in, right? Fuck the reason, let them just go free and shoot people?

I get it. People like you simp for guns, and subsequently, shooting deaths. You don't have to say any more.

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thronedfire2
10/28/23 7:44:14 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
So, in your own words, if somebody checks themselves in to therapy, admitting that they have thoughts about killing people, they should NOT be studied further, to see why they did so, and to potentially limit their gun usage, based on the findings?

I get it. People like you simp for guns, and subsequently, shooting deaths. You don't have to say any more.

in my own words the law was being followed

go complain to congress, not me.

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StealThisSheen
10/28/23 7:45:17 PM
#38:


thronedfire2 posted...
in my own words the law was being followed

go complain to congress, not me.

That is literally what people are discussing. We want Congress to change things.

You're the one going "Well ackshually he was free to shoot people! Go guns! Go America! Hell yeah shooting deaths!"

And you're doing so in response to people pointing out how our current system obviously doesn't work.

Your only response is "Well that's our system! Shutup, stop complaining!"

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steve_madsci
10/28/23 7:46:40 PM
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Antifar posted...
Police do not prevent crime.
There's no way to prevent crimes like this /s
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thronedfire2
10/28/23 7:47:47 PM
#41:


StealThisSheen posted...
That is literally what people are discussing. We want Congress to change things.

You're the one going "Well ackshually he was free to shoot people! Go guns! Go America! Hell yeah shooting deaths!"

And you're doing so in response to people pointing out how our current system obviously doesn't work.

Your only response is "Well that's our system! Shutup, stop complaining!"

I was literally just pointing out why nothing else had been done about him. you're the only one overreacting

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thronedfire2
10/28/23 7:48:38 PM
#42:


steve_madsci posted...
There's no way to prevent crimes like this /s

so what's your solution?

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Forty_Niners
10/28/23 7:50:58 PM
#43:


thronedfire2 posted...
so what's your solution?
Common sense gun laws.

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bfslick50
10/28/23 7:55:34 PM
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KnightofShikari posted...
and there's a possibility they could have taken his firearms away while he was examined for mental health problems. prevention could have done something

Wed need much better gun laws for that to be an option

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thronedfire2
10/28/23 7:56:20 PM
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Forty_Niners posted...
Common sense gun laws.

those require funding from congress

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Forty_Niners
10/28/23 8:05:27 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
those require funding from congress
States can enact them.

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spikethedevil
10/28/23 8:15:00 PM
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Kimbos_Egg posted...
Should police officers write laws?

Answer his question instead if dodging it with your own.

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