Current Events > Did you know Brock from Pokemon was originally replaced for looking Asian?

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Piplup_Sniper 11/01/23 4:10:29 PM #1:	From an interview with the late Masamitsu Hidaka, the first director of the pokemon anime: The translator began to explain that the Japanese crew felt that Brock might be viewed as racist by the American people because of his eyes, and that they were even fearful of it when Pokemon first came to America. I asked if anyone ever complained, and he said no, but it was just that they were worried someone might eventually. So, they brought in a tall, white, Anglo-looking character to replace him, just to be on the safe side. Source: https://www.pokebeach.com/2008/07/second-pokemon-interview-with-masamitsu-hidaka-many-interesting-points This is also something the late Takeshi Shudo, the head writer of the original anime, also talked about: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/e17a2590.jpg --- Forbid it, Almighty God! <cite>Piplup_Sniper posted [p:976979131] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>From an interview with the late Masamitsu Hidaka, the first director of the pokemon anime:<quote>The translator began to explain that the Japanese crew felt that Brock might be viewed as racist by the American people because of his eyes, and that they were even fearful of it when Pokemon first came to America. I asked if anyone ever complained, and he said no, but it was just that they were worried someone might eventually. So, they brought in a tall, white, Anglo-looking character to replace him, just to be on the safe side. </quote>Source: https://www.pokebeach.com/2008/07/second-pokemon-interview-with-masamitsu-hidaka-many-interesting-pointsThis is also something the late Takeshi Shudo, the head writer of the original anime, also talked about:https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/e17a2590.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonTentacles 11/01/23 4:10:48 PM #2:	Yeah --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ <cite>NeonTentacles posted [p:976979138] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>Yeah </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Incredible 11/01/23 4:17:45 PM #3:	they could have just redesigned him to not look stereotypical... --- W fam <cite>Incredible posted [p:976979259] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>they could have just redesigned him to not look stereotypical... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
alphagamble 11/01/23 4:24:49 PM #4:	Just had to look up his name I hated Tracey --- ooh <cite>alphagamble posted [p:976979386] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>Just had to look up his nameI hated Tracey </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ironman2009 11/01/23 4:25:24 PM #5:	Brock's 2 best lines in the whole show are his eyes --- THRILLHO <cite>ironman2009 posted [p:976979399] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>Brock's 2 best lines in the whole show are his eyes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kimbos_Egg 11/01/23 4:29:24 PM #6:	yeah, it was fucking stupid. Brock was beloved. --- You think you've Got problems? https://imgur.com/OnEOsdT <cite>Kimbos_Egg posted [p:976979456] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>yeah, it was fucking stupid. Brock was beloved. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BombermanGold 11/01/23 4:40:12 PM #8:	I always wondered why they took Brock out only to put in Tracey who had no fans. So glad they did bring em back, but wow at not reading their audience very well. --- "I will be your superhero!!!" STEAM ID: BombermanGOLDEN <cite>BombermanGold posted [p:976979664] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>I always wondered why they took Brock out only to put in Tracey who had no fans.So glad they did bring em back, but wow at not reading their audience very well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revisited 11/01/23 4:47:01 PM #9:	So who was it, was it Tracy? It was the reason they sidelined brock during the orange islands and brought Tracy in wasn't it <cite>Revisited posted [p:976979800] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>So who was it, was it Tracy? It was the reason they sidelined brock during the orange islands and brought Tracy in wasn't it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BombermanGold 11/01/23 4:52:15 PM #10:	Revisited posted... So who was it, was it Tracy? It was the reason they sidelined brock during the orange islands and brought Tracy in wasn't it Yeah, Tracey was the replacement. Back then I thought he was the stand-in for the player of Pokmon Snap (due to his photography hobby). But that left the group down one less "strongman" and brute force Pokmon. --- "I will be your superhero!!!" STEAM ID: BombermanGOLDEN <cite>BombermanGold posted [p:976979901] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>Revisited posted... </cite><quote>So who was it, was it Tracy? It was the reason they sidelined brock during the orange islands and brought Tracy in wasn't it</quote>Yeah, Tracey was the replacement. Back then I thought he was the stand-in for the player of Pokmon Snap (due to his photography hobby).But that left the group down one less "strongman" and brute force Pokmon. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mystereave 11/01/23 5:06:54 PM #13:	BombermanGold posted... Yeah, Tracey was the replacement. Back then I thought he was the stand-in for the player of Pokmon Snap (due to his photography hobby). The player character of Pokmon Snap already had appeared in the anime, though, as the character Todd. <cite>Mystereave posted [p:976980129] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>BombermanGold posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, Tracey was the replacement. Back then I thought he was the stand-in for the player of Pokmon Snap (due to his photography hobby).</quote>The player character of Pokmon Snap already had appeared in the anime, though, as the character Todd.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NoxObscuras 11/01/23 5:09:51 PM #14:	Wow, that's why Brock left for a while? That's such a dumb reason --- PSN - NoxObscuras Z490 \| i9-10900K \| EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra \| 32GB DDR4 3600 \| 4TB SSD <cite>NoxObscuras posted [p:976980166] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>Wow, that's why Brock left for a while? That's such a dumb reason </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 11/01/23 5:12:20 PM #15:	Brock was defo the fan-favorite back in the day. I mean, it took them forever to finally replace him for real, and it's a shock they actually did do that. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 35, 500th posts: 34; PiO ATTN: 6 RotM wins 1, LETTEN MY ARROW FLYEN TRUE <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:976980218] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>Brock was defo the fan-favorite back in the day. I mean, it took them forever to finally replace him for real, and it's a shock they actually did do that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ivynn 11/01/23 5:14:08 PM #16:	Well that was dumb. The kids around me never thought he was Asian tho. Just a weird dude who always had his eyes closed. >__> --- http://i.imgur.com/vDci4hD.gif <cite>Ivynn posted [p:976980249] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>Well that was dumb.The kids around me never thought he was Asian tho. Just a weird dude who always had his eyes closed. >__> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 11/01/23 5:16:37 PM #17:	Upper management meddling at its finest. --- You can't go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending. -Misattributed to CS Lewis <cite>Squall28 posted [p:976980282] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>Upper management meddling at its finest. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rharyx211 11/01/23 5:16:54 PM #18:	I never hated Tracey, but Brock is iconic as shit. I don't think anyone cared about his eyes, and he was always one of the most liked characters. --- Watch "Final Fantasy XV Abridged" and "Kingdom Hearts Abridged" right here! https://www.youtube.com/user/mcknett3 <cite>Rharyx211 posted [p:976980285] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>I never hated Tracey, but Brock is iconic as shit. I don't think anyone cared about his eyes, and he was always one of the most liked characters. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 11/01/23 5:19:32 PM #19:	No. --- "Intelligence has no place in Politics" Londo, (Babylon Five) Save Star trek prodigy <cite>creativerealms posted [p:976980323] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>No. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 11/01/23 5:21:26 PM #20:	NoxObscuras posted... that's why Brock left for a while? there was other possible reasons. --- beware of the mayor (fall guys). currently playing: Castlevania Advance Collection (ps4) <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:976980352] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>NoxObscuras posted...</cite><quote>that's why Brock left for a while?</quote>there was other possible reasons. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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majin_nemesis 11/01/23 5:27:02 PM #22:	imagine thinking that asian characters aren't accepted in asian animes <cite>majin_nemesis posted [p:976980447] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>imagine thinking that asian characters aren't accepted in asian animes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NOM 11/01/23 5:30:35 PM #23:	I'll use my trusty frying pan.... as a drying pan! --- I dream broken dreams I make them come true <cite>NOM posted [p:976980514] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>I'll use my trusty frying pan.... as a drying pan! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BombermanGold 11/01/23 5:33:12 PM #24:	I always saw Brock as some dark skinned (or heavily tanned) dude. Dude actually had a connection to the games directly, so again, those higher-ups absolutely SUCK at reading the audience properly on who people liked. --- "I will be your superhero!!!" STEAM ID: BombermanGOLDEN <cite>BombermanGold posted [p:976980553] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>I always saw Brock as some dark skinned (or heavily tanned) dude.Dude actually had a connection to the games directly, so again, those higher-ups absolutely SUCK at reading the audience properly on who people liked. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nocturnal_traveler 11/01/23 5:36:38 PM #25:	I had watched 3x3 Eyes years prior, so an anime character with closed eyes was nothing new to me when Brock came along. I believe even the Pokemon manga made a joke about Brock always having his eyes closed. --- --I understand your opinion. I just don't care about it. ~Jedah-- <cite>nocturnal_traveler posted [p:976980603] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>I had watched 3x3 Eyes years prior, so an anime character with closed eyes was nothing new to me when Brock came along. I believe even the Pokemon manga made a joke about Brock always having his eyes closed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kimbos_Egg 11/01/23 5:45:37 PM #26:	BombermanGold posted... I always saw Brock as some dark skinned (or heavily tanned) dude. Dude actually had a connection to the games directly, so again, those higher-ups absolutely SUCK at reading the audience properly on who people liked. Oh? Old men at nintendo and anime companies were/are out of touch? --- You think you've Got problems? https://imgur.com/OnEOsdT <cite>Kimbos_Egg posted [p:976980741] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>BombermanGold posted... </cite><quote>I always saw Brock as some dark skinned (or heavily tanned) dude.Dude actually had a connection to the games directly, so again, those higher-ups absolutely SUCK at reading the audience properly on who people liked.</quote>Oh? Old men at nintendo and anime companies were/are out of touch? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 11/01/23 5:50:58 PM #27:	i still don't really understand how his eyes work or why they're drawn like that --- In this, the last I see of you Smash the glass to make it meaningful <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:976980817] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>i still don't really understand how his eyes work or why they're drawn like that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 11/01/23 5:59:52 PM #28:	viewmaster_pi posted... i still don't really understand how his eyes work or why they're drawn like that Correct me if I'm wrong, but pretty sure anime and manga always stereotype different groups of people in the same ways. When depicting someone from Hokkaido they're usually depicted with slant eyes, brown skin, and as a fisherman if the setting of the story permits it. So Brock was designed to depict a person from that region of Japan. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:976980976] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>viewmaster_pi posted... </cite><quote>i still don't really understand how his eyes work or why they're drawn like that</quote>Correct me if I'm wrong, but pretty sure anime and manga always stereotype different groups of people in the same ways. When depicting someone from Hokkaido they're usually depicted with slant eyes, brown skin, and as a fisherman if the setting of the story permits it. So Brock was designed to depict a person from that region of Japan. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BombermanGold 11/01/23 6:02:45 PM #29:	A_Good_Boy posted... Correct me if I'm wrong, but pretty sure anime and manga always stereotype different groups of people in the same ways. When depicting someone from Hokkaido they're usually depicted with slant eyes, brown skin, and as a fisherman if the setting of the story permits it. So Brock was designed to depict a person from that region of Japan. Not incorrect, really, but to also add and simplify: It's a character trait of tricksters, or of characters who are typically the wise/knowledgeable/down-to-earth types. And Brock was definitely the exposition guy of the bunch. --- "I will be your superhero!!!" STEAM ID: BombermanGOLDEN <cite>BombermanGold posted [p:976981025] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>A_Good_Boy posted... </cite><quote>Correct me if I'm wrong, but pretty sure anime and manga always stereotype different groups of people in the same ways. When depicting someone from Hokkaido they're usually depicted with slant eyes, brown skin, and as a fisherman if the setting of the story permits it. So Brock was designed to depict a person from that region of Japan.</quote>Not incorrect, really, but to also add and simplify: It's a character trait of tricksters, or of characters who are typically the wise/knowledgeable/down-to-earth types.And Brock was definitely the exposition guy of the bunch. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 11/01/23 6:04:53 PM #30:	But they're all Asian? wtf lol --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:976981049] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>But they're all Asian?wtf lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonTentacles 11/01/23 6:25:32 PM #31:	Kid me loved Brock's horny antics. Adult me still loves it >_> --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ <cite>NeonTentacles posted [p:976981429] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>Kid me loved Brock's horny antics. Adult me still loves it >_> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HannibalBarca3 11/03/23 3:20:46 PM #32:	UnfairRepresent posted... But they're all Asian? wtf lol It might have to do with Brock's eyes being different. Almosr all of the main cast have those dinner plate sized eyes while Brock has exaggerated closed eyes which are associated with Asian characters. --- Aut viam inveniam aut faciam. Will not change sig until the Tsar is put back in the Russian throne (July 08, 2010) <cite>HannibalBarca3 posted [p:977014795] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite><quote>But they're all Asian?wtf lol</quote>It might have to do with Brock's eyes being different. Almosr all of the main cast have those dinner plate sized eyes while Brock has exaggerated closed eyes which are associated with Asian characters. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cephalopods 11/03/23 3:27:10 PM #33:	Brock was always like, most people's favorite character lol. I doubt any of us as kids ever thought about what race he was supposed to be; I personally never did until I read that sentence. "Upper management" can be quite out of touch at times. <cite>Cephalopods posted [p:977014884] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>Brock was always like, most people's favorite character lol. I doubt any of us as kids ever thought about what race he was supposed to be; I personally never did until I read that sentence. "Upper management" can be quite out of touch at times. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 11/03/23 3:29:17 PM #34:	They thought a character designed by Asians....would be offensive...to....Asians... --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:977014922] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>They thought a character designed by Asians....would be offensive...to....Asians... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 11/03/23 3:29:54 PM #35:	alphagamble posted... Just had to look up his name I hated Tracey Everyone hated that tool. --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:977014929] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>alphagamble posted... </cite><quote>Just had to look up his nameI hated Tracey</quote>Everyone hated that tool. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 11/03/23 3:30:39 PM #36:	Also was it ever explained why Brock was so terrified of Professor Ivy? --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:977014940] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>Also was it ever explained why Brock was so terrified of Professor Ivy? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestoff 11/03/23 3:31:57 PM #37:	ToteAll posted... But the sexual harassment was fine? Yeah, it's one of the annoying anime tropes that got old fast. --- DI MOLTO! <cite>Prestoff posted [p:977014961] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>ToteAll posted... </cite><quote>But the sexual harassment was fine?</quote>Yeah, it's one of the annoying anime tropes that got old fast. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 11/03/23 3:32:02 PM #38:	Funny enough, the introduction of Tracey is when I stopped watching the show. I lasted a little while but it just wasn't the same without Brock. --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:977014964] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>Funny enough, the introduction of Tracey is when I stopped watching the show. I lasted a little while but it just wasn't the same without Brock. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 11/03/23 3:58:42 PM #39:	mario2000 posted... Also was it ever explained why Brock was so terrified of Professor Ivy? Gave him an itch. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://i.imgur.com/ZkQRDsR.png - https://i.imgur.com/2x2gtgP.jpg <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:977015403] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted... </cite><quote>Also was it ever explained why Brock was so terrified of Professor Ivy?</quote>Gave him an itch. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 11/03/23 4:04:21 PM #40:	In the end, I'm fine with it. Orange Islands was basically filler, so I didn't mind Tracey existing for a short while. He had some fun Pokemon, like Venonat and Scyther. And, honestly, he was a lot better than some of the later companions. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:977015485] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>In the end, I'm fine with it. Orange Islands was basically filler, so I didn't mind Tracey existing for a short while. He had some fun Pokemon, like Venonat and Scyther. And, honestly, he was a lot better than some of the later companions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revisited 11/05/23 1:02:36 AM #41:	mario2000 posted... Also was it ever explained why Brock was so terrified of Professor Ivy? I thought it was implied bdsm type stuff? <cite>Revisited posted [p:977041084] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted... </cite><quote>Also was it ever explained why Brock was so terrified of Professor Ivy?</quote>I thought it was implied bdsm type stuff?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Enclave 11/05/23 1:17:13 AM #42:	If they had actually done a focus group back in the day instead of just assuming that Brock was considered racist they would have found out people liked him more than Ash, at least that was the case among people I knew :P --- The commercial says that Church isn't for perfect people, I guess that's why I'm an atheist. <cite>Enclave posted [p:977041190] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>If they had actually done a focus group back in the day instead of just assuming that Brock was considered racist they would have found out people liked him more than Ash, at least that was the case among people I knew :P </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim_Seong-a 11/05/23 1:22:03 AM #43:	mario2000 posted... Also was it ever explained why Brock was so terrified of Professor Ivy? Sort of but technically no. Iirc the showrunner eventually came out and said they imagined the reason being that Ivy was a lesbian, though that explanation was never mentioned in the actual show>_> --- Lusa Cfaad Taydr <cite>Kim_Seong-a posted [p:977041239] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted... </cite><quote>Also was it ever explained why Brock was so terrified of Professor Ivy?</quote>Sort of but technically no. Iirc the showrunner eventually came out and said they imagined the reason being that Ivy was a lesbian, though that explanation was never mentioned in the actual show>_> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 11/05/23 1:24:22 AM #44:	Kim_Seong-a posted... Sort of but technically no. Iirc the showrunner eventually came out and said they imagined the reason being that Ivy was a lesbian, though that explanation was never mentioned in the actual show>_> Yeah, this. He said he thinks it would have hit Brock harder than a normal rejection, since it meant Brock never had a chance with her to begin with. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:977041257] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>Kim_Seong-a posted... </cite><quote>Sort of but technically no. Iirc the showrunner eventually came out and said they imagined the reason being that Ivy was a lesbian, though that explanation was never mentioned in the actual show>_></quote>Yeah, this. He said he thinks it would have hit Brock harder than a normal rejection, since it meant Brock never had a chance with her to begin with. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fenriswolf 11/05/23 3:00:14 AM #45:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/fa998fec.jpg --- Hello <cite>Fenriswolf posted [p:977041843] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/fa998fec.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AltAccount3 11/05/23 3:22:34 AM #46:	As a kid, I always understood that Brock was Asian. It wasn't a big deal, he was a staple character. The jokes made about him in the show were funny though. --- VFalcone, one of many <cite>AltAccount3 posted [p:977041959] in Did you kn... [t:80608738]...</cite> <quote>As a kid, I always understood that Brock was Asian. It wasn't a big deal, he was a staple character. The jokes made about him in the show were funny though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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