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Oh i got distracted by Ashe basically claiming scum and then IGCD. i meant to ask you what posts you were referring to exactly so that i didn't have to hunt.

i feel more strongly about individuals' towniness than scumminess this game and this is my 5-person poe (5/17 isn't too much?). there is a lot of inactivity in there which i don't like, and probably just the right amount of OMGUS? i dunno, i feel kind of like i'm just saying words

1. Ashethan
3. Corrik7 / Corrik
7. IfGodCouldDie / IGCD
10. red13n / Leafeon13n ONE OF 12. UltimateBrohan / Brohan
13. wallmasterz / Wallz

well since you seem to be souring on the other options

Any chance we can find some common ground and lynch brohan who seems awfully scummy to me? (See his most recent post, Im on mobile and cant find but its agreeing with some absolutely insane nonsense from corrik)

The current scum team I am thinking would be something like Ashethan/JC/Brohan/Chang. Is there a fifth? I always struggle with this. 4/17 with no extra kills (so far) seems too weak. 5/17 sounds too much?

Thats to death i didnt expect like multiple other posts in the middle

i literally gave you pages to go check. i'm not hunting for you.

s I can't really tell if he's making smart Red posts, or just skimming, like when he missed Ashethan's backpedal and didn't understand it until someone clarified for him.

Dumey youve spent the entire day arguing JC is scum and now youre saying scum has no extra kill.

If we assume FD didnt lie. (and why would he). Then there is at least a poisoner out there.

You said pages in this topic that were in the future.

I mean it's hard to really classify what happened with the box as an extra kill? I mean technically yes it did take away one of our lynches? But it didn't have to? We could have lynched JC instead of ever interacting with the box?

If that's what scum extra kill is being considered, then sure, 4 scum in 17 with no extra night kills probably makes sense. But I think you know what I meant when I said no extra kills. Just that there's only been one flip per night.

JC respond to the Ethan thing please

I also guess the lack of interest in a Brohan lynch is clear in the air.

But I don't really think you've put any pressure toward Ashethan at all, only really listing him as a "I guess I'm okay with this" option. I could definitely buy a world where you're scum, list your buddy Ashethan because he could get lynched today, then only have Brohan in your maybes? It makes sense to me. I'm probably wrong somewhere in here, just because I strongly doubt I have the whole scum team down already, but nothing I see in this topic is dissuading me from thinking Ashe and JC are the best two options.

you know this post has me thinking

say i was scum. i start chain hunt. you guys lynch me. default is spare, person survives (acknowledging i said kill yesterday but again, clarifying today to say that the default was spare).

what is the scum equity in claiming at all if that gives town the ability to completely mitigate the effect of the chain hunt by lynching me. why would i claim as scum?

what is the scum equity in claiming at all if that gives town the ability to completely mitigate the effect of the chain hunt by lynching me. why would i claim as scum?

oh and i haven't asked for clarification on what happens if i die because it's not stated but i think that it's probably the same as what would happen if i don't make a choice to spare or kill before day ends, which is kill, so i think someone has to die from the chain hunt anyways even if you lynch me.

It's all WIFOM, please shut up about it. You're not gaining any ground with this. You claimed because you thought getting out ahead of it would give you town credit, and you were essentially host confirmed to have this role. If you're able to convince people that this was a town role, then you coast to endgame. That's the equity. That's the reason you claim. Also the fact that you DIDN'T tell us default was spare. You told us default was kill. So YOUR LIE TO TOWN led us to believe that if we lynched you, then an extra death on FD would happen anyway. You can't say "Why would I claim as scum if scenario B" when you actively chose scenario A instead. The hypothetical is bunk.

don't go off on me for asking people what the scum equity in something is when i've been harangued all day about what my town equity was. i'm allowed to flip the question back to people.

like your point is valid but don't tell me to shut up when i'm just doing exactly what other people have done to me

To be fair, yesterday you said:

1. the decision to claim initially
2. the decision to lie about the default outcome

and fwiw (this responds to dumey as well) we are dealing with decisions at two different points in time.

1. the decision to claim initially
2. the decision to lie about the default outcome

i didn't plan to lie about the default outcome until people were threatening to lynch me. so you have to treat those as independent decisions based off of context.

Sorry I shouldn't be so aggressive with you. My bad. I've just heard you do the whole "Why would I do this as scum?" thing all day, and I'm done with it. It's always been a WIFOM question. Any scenario in which you would utter that phrase answers your own question. You would do it as scum because it would appear to town to be something scum wouldn't do. It's always been a pet peeve of mine, even when it's players like Han that do it.

so the box dies with you after all?

But from a neutral standpoint you are correct, Sultan does need to answer those questions.

But I feel like by the time that happens, I will already be asleep.

(and I have already given up hope on Brohan and IGCD coming back in time)

Who should I vote death. If you are town ill follow you, just don't let me be lynched for it.

And truly, even if you lied about the BP, and spared FD, and said, "Hey scum you can't shoot me now" what are they gonna do? Waste a strongman shot on you? Shoot you anyway to test your bluff? It's functionally the same thing as actually getting it. But now by killing someone and being untargettable, you've made yourself unable to be scanned to be verified. Which is yet another awfully convenient thing to have happen if you were scum or anti-town.

if you saw how fast i pulled the trigger on FD you would probably not be thinking that i considered how awfully convenient these things are. my plan was to try to draw stuff to me with the BP bluff if i spared, and then if i killed, it would have ideally been a target that wouldn't have drawn suspicion on me because town would have discussed and agreed to stuff, etc.

but then FD just went and solved the box and i dm'd isquen in about 6 seconds.

just remember that by suggesting i am scum you are putting forward the idea that this was some kind of master plan that went wrong instead of me just being an idiot and kind of a dick. occam's razor is that i'm an idiot and kind of a dick.

Soo any other questions I think im stalled for today

While you're answering that, consider the idea that Ashe has been in the lead all day and we've only had a couple people like Chang really come out and champion him as town. That could either mean scum is content to let a town Ashe get killed. Or scum doesn't want to risk defending him when he's likely dead sooner or later.

Are you still voting for Brohan?

Sultan if I have to leave an hour before deadline, and I have to leave my vote on either Ashethan or JC, who do you think I should leave my vote on?

See this is my worry with both the trains on myself and Ash. It seems way too easy. Like scum doesn't have to rush to the defense of their scummates because they've got easy lynches ahead of them. It's too quiet. Scum is happy with where the votes are right now.