Current Events > What's the difference between a ceasefire and a humanitarian pause? Is Bernie

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Right in this clip?
https://twitter.com/AIPAC/status/1721208549844340973?t=gBZbFlCjNGoy6FJw77ThDw&s=19

What do most people mean by wanting America to support a ceasefire? Does Hamas support a ceasefire?

A ceasefire is an extended period with no fightng. Humanitarian pauses are repeated, short windows without fighting.

So a ceasefire would be like... "no fighting until this meeting takes place." A humanitarian pause would be "don't shoot at cars on this road between 10 and 11AM each Tuesday so aid convoys can get to camps"

emblem-man posted...

Does Hamas support a ceasefire?

no and they never will. thats why a cease fire just isn't going to happen

metralo posted...

no and they never will. thats why a cease fire just isn't going to happen

s0nicfan posted...

A ceasefire is an extended period with no fightng. Humanitarian pauses are repeated, short windows without fighting.

So a ceasefire would be like... "no fighting until this meeting takes place." A humanitarian pause would be "don't shoot at cars on this road between 10 and 11AM each Tuesday so aid convoys can get to camps"

Yeah this is what I'm thinking. A pause seems more realistic

Twitter morons that shout for stuff, but with no realistic solution in place because they want to sound like good people.

50% of them are probably bots too considering we are in the age of information bot wars.

Lmao AIPAC, if anyone else had an organization lobbying for them in America like they do, we would consider it a threat to democracy that a country like Israel gets to have so much sway over American politics.

Otherwise, this is a weak spot for Bernie like it is for Fetterman, & AIPAC tagging them for that is just to encourage infighting over policy disputes. Bernie is wrong here can't do anything about that, but HAMAS does not have the majority of the power between them & Israel, that's a gigantic false equivalence. Israel can easily push for a ceasefire first & HAMAS with everyone against them would be forced to accept, but while Israel gets to keep murdering civilians 10:1, it won't happen because they're setting the stage.

hereforemnant posted...

HAMAS with everyone against them would be forced to accept,

Have they made any indication of that?

emblem-man posted...

Have they made any indication of that?

How are they going to do otherwise? The thing a lot of people aren't understanding is that HAMAS is even smaller & more spread out than Al-Qaida, the Taliban, ISIS, Hezbollah, you name it. There's people caping for them because people still think they hold Palestine's freedom or security in their hands, they don't.

They're a terrorist organization who lost all ability to say they're fighting against Israel when they did October 7th, Israel in exchange decided to do a pound of flesh for a lb of cure, & double that tenfold as an excuse. But if enough powerful nations actually called for & forced a ceasefire on Hamas, Israel would have to back off just like they would.

The problem is that people with no power aren't calling for it, the war is just ramping up over time & getting worse. Israel if restrained & held back from killing anymore, would get more support to actually eliminate HAMAS if it was shown that they were the only aggressor.

Then with several world powers all against HAMAS, they either surrender or get annihilated. But too many in the region all hate one another, so everyone is just arming up instead of de-escalating, so Israel has an excuse to then enact a genocide.

Hamas isn't strong enough to go against more than Israel, & Israel is allowing this to be this way because they want to be the one's who get to keep killing, instead of ending the conflict & enacting a three state solution (because I believe a two state is out of the question now.)

hereforemnant posted...

They're a terrorist organization who lost all ability to say they're fighting against Israel when they did October 7th, Israel in exchange decided to do a pound of flesh for a lb of cure, & double that tenfold as an excuse. But if enough powerful nations actually called for & forced a ceasefire on Hamas, Israel would have to back off just like they would.

A ceasefire would imply negotiations afterwards right? And I'd imagine any negotiation would involve Hamas no longer existing. Why would a terrorist organization agree to negotiations in which they'd have to give themselves up

hereforemnant posted...

How are they going to do otherwise? The thing a lot of people aren't understanding is that HAMAS is even smaller & more spread out than Al-Qaida, the Taliban, ISIS, Hezbollah, you name it. There's people caping for them because people still think they hold Palestine's freedom or security in their hands, they don't.

They're a terrorist organization who lost all ability to say they're fighting against Israel when they did October 7th, Israel in exchange decided to do a pound of flesh for a lb of cure, & double that tenfold as an excuse. But if enough powerful nations actually called for & forced a ceasefire on Hamas, Israel would have to back off just like they would.

The problem is that people with no power aren't calling for it, the war is just ramping up over time & getting worse. Israel if restrained & held back from killing anymore, would get more support to actually eliminate HAMAS if it was shown that they were the only aggressor.

Then with several world powers all against HAMAS, they either surrender or get annihilated. But too many in the region all hate one another, so everyone is just arming up instead of de-escalating, so Israel has an excuse to then enact a genocide.

Hamas isn't strong enough to go against more than Israel, & Israel is allowing this to be this way because they want to be the one's who get to keep killing, instead of ending the conflict & enacting a three state solution (because I believe a two state is out of the question now.)

Yet my idiot grandfather prayed for Isreal this morning at breakfast.

At least my brother acknowledges the whole thing is a shitshow and is concerned about innocent causalties like a normal person.

Well we know a cease fire wont be possible until Hamas surrenders which wont happen. I think people mean stop, let refugees get help, get transported to less dangerous areas and keep at it afterwards?

emblem-man posted...

Does Hamas support a ceasefire?

Yes, they do. Two weeks ago, negotiations brokered by Egypt and Qatar, a Hamas leader proposed releasing all foreign civilian hostages for a five day ceasefire and Israeli hostages in exchange for the release of Palestinian women and children in Israeli prisons and the opening of Rafah border crossing. Netanyahu said no.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/26/israel-gaza-war-hamas-civilians/

s0nicfan posted...

A ceasefire is an extended period with no fightng. Humanitarian pauses are repeated, short windows without fighting.

So a ceasefire would be like... "no fighting until this meeting takes place." A humanitarian pause would be "don't shoot at cars on this road between 10 and 11AM each Tuesday so aid convoys can get to camps"

This is weird to me. I mean it's nice if they accept these kinda terms. But it's weird in the sense of "ok I'll hold off for right now but tomorrow I'm definitely gonna try to kill you"

I doubt Hamas or IDF want a ceasefire

emblem-man posted...

A ceasefire would imply negotiations afterwards right? And I'd imagine any negotiation would involve Hamas no longer existing. Why would a terrorist organization agree to negotiations in which they'd have to give themselves up

Because it proves if they're actually freedom fighters for the Palestinian people, or just the terrorist organization that they showed the world they are on October 7th. If everything else was united in negotiations & the only obstacle in the way was the dissolvement of Hamas in a perfect world, I'd have no qualms with them being eradicated from the face of the earth if they decided to not dissolve as a group.

But this also doesn't take into account Israel's bullshit about every building they blow up having 5 Israeli or Palestinian citizens being used as shields each time either. It's fucked

DementedDurian posted...

Yet my idiot grandfather prayed for Isreal this morning at breakfast.

At least my brother acknowledges the whole thing is a shitshow and is concerned about innocent causalties like a normal person.

Israel gets to play the "we're a country full of Jews so you can't criticize us" card & that gets them a lot of virtue signal points around the world when you look back after WW2 & so on. The problem is, Israel as a state isn't Jewish & not all Jews live in Israel, but calling that out gets you potentially fired from your job, schooling, & so on.

But then people are defending Hamas brutally murdering civies because bloodshed just begets more bloodshed, so then everyone just looks like crazy psychos if you're heavily invested in it.

Imma sound really arrogant when I say this, but like two weeks ago I just about got enough of the information on the war I needed then I tried to push it out of mind. The whole thing is just an aggressively disgusting shit show by all fronts involved that trying to pay attention to it more would drive me insane. I can give decent info on the first few weeks, & then after that to me it just seems like a war of atrocity after atrocity, & the protests & behavior by people around it are just too much.

Praying for Hamas or Israel usually just sounds like bullshit to me as prayer is just a way for people to abdicate humanity's responsibility in a situation, as if there's a prayer:fix ratio that just needs to be hit & everything will be all better.

Biden & the government of Israel are the only two entities that could stop it immediately & they clearly don't want to, so anyone else getting into screaming matches or fights with people in public about it just needs to log off & take a step back

CommonStar posted...

Yes, they do. Two weeks ago, negotiations brokered by Egypt and Qatar, a Hamas leader proposed releasing all foreign civilian hostages for a five day ceasefire and Israeli hostages in exchange for the release of Palestinian women and children in Israeli prisons and the opening of Rafah border crossing. Netanyahu said no.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/26/israel-gaza-war-hamas-civilians/

Watch how many posts in the future pretend this one didnt happen.