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They need to raise the hoop 5 feet, make it smaller by 2 inches, add 27 pounds to the ball, increase the court twofold and raise the foul limit to 10 before ejection

berlyman101 posted...

There's average vs. median. I imagine the best players are one-and-dones but they also have the most busts.

So the best players with the highest upsides are the one and dones playing 15+ years into their mid 30s, while the less successful 4 year players are playing maybe 10 years into their mid 30s, unless they decline out of the league sooner?

FactsKeepHurtin posted...

So the best players with the highest upsides are the one and dones playing 15+ years into their mid 30s, while the less successful 4 year players are playing maybe 10 years into their mid 30s, unless they decline out of the league sooner?

that seems like it could be right but I don't really know.

Teams have not started scoring 150 points as a routine just because "everyone got so much better at shooting

NBA is the best its ever been.

R1masher posted...

They need to raise the hoop 5 feet, make it smaller by 2 inches, add 27 pounds to the ball, increase the court twofold and raise the foul limit to 10 before ejection

People have already experimented with other gases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vCOrRzzl6k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp2oj7rfzvM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSVCzoRWgqY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z51ImmUk2w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eKg94EdJQ4

All you need to do is replace the standard air with pure Hydrogen.

That would dramatically change the bounce/flight characteristics of the ball.

Helium isn't light enough and it's a resource we're running out of .

_Valigarmanda_ posted...

Teams have not started scoring 150 points as a routine just because "everyone got so much better at shooting

Yall are acting like scoring 150 is normal LMAO.

Sorozone posted...

NBA is the best its ever been.

i hope i'm wrong, but i feel like there's going to be a hole once lebron retires. i'm not even a lebron fan, but the nba is going to miss him.

_Valigarmanda_ posted...

Teams have not started scoring 150 points as a routine just because "everyone got so much better at shooting

Teams have not started scoring 150 points "as a routine". Teams are only averaging around 114 PPG right now, which is only 5 points more per game than they were in the 70s and 80s.

Dark_Arbron posted...

The core problem is that its a boring sport.

But Ill concede as an Australian that its still not as boring as cricket.

Edit: Feck me, I just confused basketball with baseball? Nah, basketball is alright. Not deleting this post because I shouldnt be able to hide the fact I mixed up my sports acronyms. NBA != NBL.

Based accountable chad

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Teams have not started scoring 150 points "as a routine". Teams are only averaging around 114 PPG right now, which is only 5 points more per game than they were in the 70s and 80s.

Which is a bit weird for the 1970s, as the 3-point line didn't exist until the 1979-80 season.

https://theathletic.com/4063884/2023/01/06/nbas-scoring-explosion/

Offense is too strong, Defense isn't strong enough and not enough options for defense.

pauIie posted...

i hope i'm wrong, but i feel like there's going to be a hole once lebron retires. i'm not even a lebron fan, but the nba is going to miss him.

I mean sure, but NBA has tons of star power nowadays. Lebron and the old gang are still putting up astronomical numbers too(Steph, KD, ect).

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

https://theathletic.com/4063884/2023/01/06/nbas-scoring-explosion/

Offense is too strong, Defense isn't strong enough and not enough options for defense.

offense too strong? Offense on average only makes 30%-40% of its shots.

Wait there are people denying that scoring is even up? lol I shouldn't be surprised after flat earth.

No one is denying that scoring is up. We're denying that it's averaging at 150 LMAO.

TyVulpine posted...

offense too strong? Offense on average only makes 30%-40% of its shots.

Whether or not they make the shot is neither here or there.

The options you have for defense sucks IMO.

FIBA is looser on Goal Tending:
https://fansided.com/posts/what-is-the-fiba-and-international-goaltending-rule-01h9363w27rc

But I don't find it "Loose Enough"

Here's the NBA rules on GoalTending:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7457c828.jpg

Here's what I want to see changed:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5a9ec421.jpg

New Guarding Rules for more reasonable Goal Tending rules:
- No Sticking your (hands, limbs, or any body part) through the hoop to deflect the Ball from entering the 'Basket Hoop'
- Your (hands, limbs, or any body part) must go around the hoop to deflect the Ball.
- The (hands, limbs, or any body part) must never penetrate the imaginery plane inside the 'Basket Hoop' when deflecting the ball
- Going above or below the plane is perfectly legal, but never penetrate the imaginary plane inside the 'Basket Hoop'.
- If the defending players (hands, limbs, or any body part) penetrates the imaginary plane, it'll be considered a 'GoalTending Foul'
Upon receiving the 'GoalTending Foul', this will give the opponent making the shot a Free Throw Shot from their Shot Zone that they were originally in when attempting to make that original shot.
- All Defenders must pay attention to stay out of the standard 4' Radius RAA (Restricted Area Arc) marked on the court
- GoalTending Fouls will be enforced explicitly if a player violates the RAA by moving through it with their feet touching the ground
- Defenders must stay outside the standard 4' Radius RAA (Restricted Area Arc) marked on the court as long as their feet are touching the ground, when attempting to block the shot made by the opposing team's players.
- Specifically, if a 'Defending Player's' feet leaves the ground to go airborne, they must start from outside the RAA and end up outside the RAA when they land
- This allows the 'Defending Player' to jump & fly through the opposing team's RAA zone to defend the goal in a legal manner as long as they land outside the RAA
- If the 'Defending Player' intentionally collides with the opposing player who has control of the ball and physically lands within the RAA,
a 'GoalTending Foul' can be called upon the 'Defending Player'; this gives the opponnent a Free Throw Shot
- DO NOT Trap the ball against the face of the backboard after it has been released into the Play-Able Area.
(To be a trapped ball, three elements must exist simultaneously. The hand, the ball and the backboard must all occur at the same time. A batted ball against the backboard is not a trapped ball.)
- DO NOT Move/Shake/Vibrate the Basket Ring/Net/BackBoard/Base to interfere with a ball trying to go through the imaginary cylinder.

foreverzero212 posted...

Wait there are people denying that scoring is even up? lol I shouldn't be surprised after flat earth.

i picked last year, and a few years. 3 years 110 league average, 1978 is 108.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/average-score-nba-in-2022
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nba-league-average-points-per-game-1984
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nba-league-average-points-per-game-1985
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nba-league-average-points-per-game-1978

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

Whether or not they make the shot is neither here or there.

The options you have for defense sucks IMO.

FIBA is looser on Goal Tending:
https://fansided.com/posts/what-is-the-fiba-and-international-goaltending-rule-01h9363w27rc

But I don't find it "Loose Enough"

Here's the NBA rules on GoalTending:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7457c828.jpg

Here's what I want to see changed:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5a9ec421.jpg

New Guarding Rules for more reasonable Goal Tending rules:
- No Sticking your (hands, limbs, or any body part) through the hoop to deflect the Ball from entering the 'Basket Hoop'
- Your (hands, limbs, or any body part) must go around the hoop to deflect the Ball.
- The (hands, limbs, or any body part) must never penetrate the imaginery plane inside the 'Basket Hoop' when deflecting the ball
- Going above or below the plane is perfectly legal, but never penetrate the imaginary plane inside the 'Basket Hoop'.
- If the defending players (hands, limbs, or any body part) penetrates the imaginary plane, it'll be considered a 'GoalTending Foul'
Upon receiving the 'GoalTending Foul', this will give the opponent making the shot a Free Throw Shot from their Shot Zone that they were originally in when attempting to make that original shot.
- All Defenders must pay attention to stay out of the standard 4' Radius RAA (Restricted Area Arc) marked on the court
- GoalTending Fouls will be enforced explicitly if a player violates the RAA by moving through it with their feet touching the ground
- Defenders must stay outside the standard 4' Radius RAA (Restricted Area Arc) marked on the court as long as their feet are touching the ground, when attempting to block the shot made by the opposing team's players.
- Specifically, if a 'Defending Player's' feet leaves the ground to go airborne, they must start from outside the RAA and end up outside the RAA when they land
- This allows the 'Defending Player' to jump & fly through the opposing team's RAA zone to defend the goal in a legal manner as long as they land outside the RAA
- If the 'Defending Player' intentionally collides with the opposing player who has control of the ball and physically lands within the RAA,
a 'GoalTending Foul' can be called upon the 'Defending Player'; this gives the opponnent a Free Throw Shot
- DO NOT Trap the ball against the face of the backboard after it has been released into the Play-Able Area.
(To be a trapped ball, three elements must exist simultaneously. The hand, the ball and the backboard must all occur at the same time. A batted ball against the backboard is not a trapped ball.)
- DO NOT Move/Shake/Vibrate the Basket Ring/Net/BackBoard/Base to interfere with a ball trying to go through the imaginary cylinder.

Go ahead and send your "suggestions" to the commissioner of the NBA, instead of complaining here. Let me know what their response is, okay?

TyVulpine posted...

Go ahead and send your "suggestions" to the commissioner of the NBA, instead of complaining here. Let me know what their response is, okay?

Do you think they listen to anybody outside their little "Inner Circle"?

Those are Rich/Elite/Powerful folks.

They only really answer to the Team Owners and those who hold the $$$.

They don't care about fans.

pauIie posted...

i picked last year, and a few years. 3 years 110 league average, 1978 is 108.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/average-score-nba-in-2022
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nba-league-average-points-per-game-1984
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nba-league-average-points-per-game-1985
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nba-league-average-points-per-game-1978

I'm not old enough to care about cherry picked years from the 1970s. And league averages can be deceiving with how many have-nots there are. Plenty of games you're going to actually watch these days are getting like 125 ppg.

I grew up watching 90s-2010s ball where it was considered a high scoring game if both teams were firmly in the triple digits. 150 points wasn't just "ok that happens but not the norm" it was a "no that never happens."

Why spend an hour watching buckets that are meaningless when the final 2 min 50 point blitz decides games. It's felt too easy to score the last few years.

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

They don't care about fans.

No they don't care about what you think

VeggetaX posted...

No they don't care about what you think

Because they won't listen to regular fans.

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

Because they won't listen to regular fans.

Define "regular fans".

I dunno how to tell you this but you're not a representation of what a regular normal fan is. None of us are. Our opinions are not important.

foreverzero212 posted...

I'm not old enough to care about cherry picked years from the 1970s. And league averages can be deceiving with how many have-nots there are. Plenty of games you're going to actually watch these days are getting like 125 ppg.

I grew up watching 90s-2010s ball where it was considered a high scoring game if both teams were firmly in the triple digits. 150 points wasn't just "ok that happens but not the norm" it was a "no that never happens."

Why spend an hour watching buckets that are meaningless when the final 2 min 50 point blitz decides games. It's felt too easy to score the last few years.

Your nostalgia for those years makes you blind.

foreverzero212 posted...

I'm not old enough to care about cherry picked years from the 1970s. And league averages can be deceiving with how many have-nots there are. Plenty of games you're going to actually watch these days are getting like 125 ppg.

I grew up watching 90s-2010s ball where it was considered a high scoring game if both teams were firmly in the triple digits. 150 points wasn't just "ok that happens but not the norm" it was a "no that never happens."

Why spend an hour watching buckets that are meaningless when the final 2 min 50 point blitz decides games. It's felt too easy to score the last few years.

if you don't care about certain eras, fine. but comparing it to flat earthers when the nba has factually had equivalent league average scoring decades ago is you being the flat earther.

You disagree with me so that makes you a flat earther.

TyVulpine posted...

Define "regular fans".

People who watch the NBA normally and aren't involved in the business side of the NBA.

VeggetaX posted...

I dunno how to tell you this but you're not a representation of what a regular normal fan is. None of us are. Our opinions are not important.

Yeah, because we aren't part of the elite upper management / team owners.

They have FAR more influence on what goes on in the NBA than any of us normal fans will.

VeggetaX posted...

You disagree with me so that makes you a flat earther.

Ok, whatever bro!

rynobot posted...

Your nostalgia for those years makes you blind.

Possible. I yearn for the last 30 years of the NBA.

pauIie posted...

if you don't care about certain eras, fine. but comparing it to flat earthers when the nba has factually had equivalent league average scoring decades ago is you being the flat earther.

If people say "I don't like that scoring is up recently" what is the point of trying to deny that by bringing up the 1970s? Not only is that not recent but those years have no relation to what's happening with scoring today.

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

People who watch the NBA normally and aren't involved in the business side of the NBA.

So....basically everyone. Got it.
Those that come in and demand everything be changed just to suit them aren't "regular fans". That would be people like you.

TyVulpine posted...

So....basically everyone. Got it.
Those that come in and demand everything be changed just to suit them aren't "regular fans". That would be people like you.

Oh well, fans wants lots of things, we don't always get what we want.

I've long since accepted that.

Doesn't mean that I won't keep advocating for change.

foreverzero212 posted...

Possible. I yearn for the last 30 years of the NBA.

If people say "I don't like that scoring is up recently" what is the point of trying to deny that by bringing up the 1970s? Not only is that not recent but those years have no relation to what's happening with scoring today.

my point is the nba has had 110 scoring averages in multiple decades, so it's not some crazy flat earth ignoring facts thing to point it out. it's higher than your favorite era, and you don't like it. that's fine. everybody has a favorite era.

pauIie posted...

my point is the nba has had 110 scoring averages in multiple decades, so it's not some crazy flat earth ignoring facts thing to point it out. it's higher than your favorite era, and you don't like it. that's fine. everybody has a favorite era.

Which is a bad point to make. Using a single metric to compare scoring from 50 years ago to deny that scoring is up now from recent years is either flat earth crazy or irrelevant nitpicking.

Scoring is up recently. People aren't wrong to say that because of league averages in the 1970s. They aren't hypocrites either because 1. The people complaining now were not watching in 1970. 2. The reasons for higher scores in the 1970s are not in any way related to the reasons for higher scores today.

foreverzero212 posted...

Which is a bad point to make. Using a single metric to compare scoring from 50 years ago to deny that scoring is up now from recent years is either flat earth crazy or irrelevant nitpicking.

Scoring is up recently. People aren't wrong to say that because of league averages in the 1970s. They aren't hypocrites either because 1. The people complaining now were not watching in 1970. 2. The reasons for higher scores in the 1970s are not in any way related to the reasons for higher scores today.

it's up recently yes. if anyone denies it's up compared to the mid 90s and 00s, sure. did people deny it's up compared to mid 90s-00s, or just in general? because it's not up when considering the entire history of the nba, including the era that saved it. it's just a fact. you caring about your favorite era is your nitpick.

pauIie posted...

it's up recently yes. if anyone denies it's up compared to the mid 90s and 00s, sure. did people deny it's up compared to mid 90s-00s, or just in general? because it's not up when considering the entire history of the nba, including the era that saved it. it's just a fact. you caring about your favorite era is your nitpick.

It's up from the 90s.
It's up from the 00s.
It's up from the 2010s.

Someone didn't like the high scoring seen today. Countering with the 1970s is not a relevant point. We had 30 years of a certain range and it hasn't reverted back to the 1970s ball. It's something entirely new. It's not just about the scores, it's how it's happening. "Unwatchable, defense is different" You're not capturing the complaint with a single metric from a distant era.

And even if it was, where's the line? If we got 3 million years of 90-2010s scoring and it changed, would you still cite the 1970s to deny that there's been a change?

foreverzero212 posted...

It's up from the 90s.
It's up from the 00s.
It's up from the 2010s.

Someone didn't like the high scoring seen today. Countering with the 1970s is not a relevant point. We had 30 years of a certain range and it hasn't reverted back to the 1970s ball. It's something entirely new. It's not just about the scores, it's how it's happening. "Unwatchable, defense is different" You're not capturing the complaint with a single metric from a distant era.

And even if it was, where's the line? If we got 3 million years of 90-2010s scoring and it changed, would you still cite the 1970s to deny that there's been a change?

Someone tried to say 150 points is normal which is a hilarious hyperbole so of course you're going to get statistics and the beyond to prove that point wrong.

VeggetaX posted...

Someone tried to say 150 points is normal which is a hilarious hyperbole so of course you're going to get statistics and the beyond to prove that point wrong.

At least TC saying 120-130 happening on a nightly basis isn't hyperbole though. Which is what started the discussion.

To say there is no defense is hyperbole. Players are more skilled and talented then ever before.

foreverzero212 posted...

At least TC saying 120-130 happening on a nightly basis isn't hyperbole though. Which is what started the discussion.

That's simply a lesser hyperbole and doesn't make your argument or point anymore valid LMAO. Last year's average, which was the highest its ever been, was at 114. Stop trying to spread misinformation. This is just nostalgia simply blinding you.

rynobot posted...

To say there is no defense is hyperbole. Players are more skilled and talented then ever before.

You're just justifying why there's no defense, not countering that there is defense.

If players are too skilled to be contained by defense that hasn't equally scaled, then there is no defense.

VeggetaX posted...

That's simply a lesser hyperbole and doesn't make your argument or point anymore valid LMAO. Last year's average, which was the highest its ever been, was at 114. Stop trying to spread misinformation. This is just nostalgia simply blinding you.

Does no one itt know how averages work.

foreverzero212 posted...

You're just justifying why there's no defense, not countering that there is defense.

If players are too skilled to be contained by defense that hasn't equally scaled, then there is no defense.

You just don't get it. Please return to the NFL board or wherever.

There is defense. A lot of casual fans who think they're "true" fans laser focus on a guy like James Harden and thinks everyone plays like him. It's very obvious you only want to see the bad and don't want to see the good. Nostalgia blinds you.

foreverzero212 posted...

Does no one itt know how averages work.

Oh are we at the point where you're going to use semantics and nuances to rationalize your hyperboles?

VeggetaX posted...

Someone tried to say 150 points is normal which is a hilarious hyperbole so of course you're going to get statistics and the beyond to prove that point wrong.

Here's the Per Game average over the years for the entire NBA league:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats_per_game.html
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/26627613.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c6d852f9.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/003aa432.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b204460a.jpg

Outside the early ears of the NBA, the Average Points per Game in the NBA are
(> 90 to < 120) Point range.

Yeah the guys are more talented and score more points. Along with the use of advanced cyber metrics scoring has become more efficient.

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

(> 90 to < 114) Point range.

Fixed it for ya

VeggetaX posted...

Fixed it for ya

The (< 114) is true of more recent decades, but it's not impossible to break that barrier historically.

Some of the earlier NBA years got past 114 average

So, that's why I listed (< 120)

But it's a far cry from 120-150 Hyperbole.