Current Events > The Nashville shooters manifesto was leaked...

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invertedlegdrop posted...

(you lose preferred pronouns when you kill innocent people imo)

Except you don't.

I've never seen you disrespect the pronouns of Chapman, Kaczynski, McVeigh, Harris, Klebold, Chauvin, Roof, Netanyahu, Holmes (James or HH), or even Trump.

You're not disrespecting pronouns because the shooter killed innocents. You're disrespecting pronouns specifically because they're trans.

Your opinion is wrong and transphobic.

There's plenty of ways to condemn and excoriate murdering scum without being a transphobe. You've chosen not to, though.

Sandalorn posted...

Ya, I'd be interested in what actually the Tran "debate" is also. I know what Hatred against Trans and Tran bigotry is but not what the "debate" is.

To people like legdrop or Republicans, the debate is, "Should they even be allowed to exist?" and go from there.

invertedlegdrop posted...

The trans pro or anti debates that have been on news outlets for the past few years now ( everything from bathrooms to athletes) don't be obtuse...

Or sometimes they just say, "Oh, you know the debate," and expect us to understand. Like this example here.

Sandalorn posted...

There is no way that smiles weren't shining bright at Fox News, Newsmax, etc when it was reported the shooting was done by a Transperson. I bet there were high-fives going on all over the place.

Jeanine Pirro probably has a Janine Melnitz impression all ready to go, so she can be be first to scream, "We got one!" and hopes to her fake evangelical prosperity God that she gets to say it on some Halloween one year, too.

-ZIO- posted...

Also keep in mind, the crusade the demonize trans individuals from conservative media and the rise in trans hate nation wide, it's not hard to think one would feels so hopeless and become deranged enough to carry out a mass shooting. It was inevitable. And in a way, I think right wing media was hoping to incite such a thing so they could prop it up as proof it's not just conservative whackos carrying out mass shootings.

When a radicalized right wing person commits terrorism (which is, again, a normal occurrence here in the US), they will deflect and "denounce" and claim plausible deniability.

But a single act by their political opposite and that condemns the entire group.

It's almost like the right hosts a bunch of gutless bigots eager to point the finger at anyone but themselves.

Sandalorn posted...

Are you really a fan of Crowder?

Crowder is a weirdo and a provocateur. I can appreciate a funny troll once in a while, but he isnt that.

So, no, I dont subscribe to him and I wouldnt call myself a fan. That doesnt mean the info provided is automatically wrong, or more interestingly that doesnt mean people here arent obviously deflecting. At least be honest. If the shooter was a conservative white incel, wed discuss it here ad nauseum and condemn the actions. Instead, its like people seem offended that were even bringing it up.

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

If the shooter was a conservative white incel, wed discuss it here ad nauseum and condemn the actions.

I certainly haven't seen many discussions of the numerous manifestos we have from white supremacist and incel shooters. I also haven't seen many NOT condemn the Nashville shooter's actions. You're being extremely disingenuous.

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Crowder is a weirdo and a provocateur. I can appreciate a funny troll once in a while, but he isnt that.

So, no, I dont subscribe to him and I wouldnt call myself a fan. That doesnt mean the info provided is automatically wrong, or more interestingly that doesnt mean people here arent obviously deflecting. At least be honest. If the shooter was a conservative white incel, wed discuss it here ad nauseum and condemn the actions. Instead, its like people seem offended that were even bringing it up.

Are you suggesting gender identity or sexual orientation is comparable to ideology?

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

At least be honest. If the shooter was a conservative white incel, wed discuss it here ad nauseum and condemn the actions. Instead, its like people seem offended that were even bringing it up.

Not a single person is doing that and you know exactly why.

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Youre missing the point, although Im not sure if its intentionally or otherwise.

Nobody wants to talk about this shooters background and motivations. Why is that exactly?

Because the people who don't wanna talk about it when it is the straight white male incel really, REALLY, REAAAALLY wanna talk about it now for some reason and so it won't be a good faith talk.

Sandalorn posted...

There is no way that smiles weren't shining bright at Fox News, Newsmax, etc when it was reported the shooting was done by a Transperson. I bet there were high-fives going on all over the place.

They called it a "genocide against Christians." The juxtaposition between their coverage of the Nashville shooter and all the white supremacist shootings was sickening.

TC the kind of person to call a black criminal the n-word

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

At least be honest. If the shooter was a conservative white incel, wed discuss it here ad nauseum and condemn the actions. Instead, its like people seem offended that were even bringing it up.

Has anyone here condoned the shooter's actions? Anyone at all? You know what, you don't have to answer that. You've already said enough to tell us exactly who you are.

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

At least be honest. If the shooter was a conservative white incel, wed discuss it here ad nauseum and condemn the actions. Instead, its like people seem offended that were even bringing it up.

darkace77450 posted...

Has anyone here condoned the shooter's actions? Anyone at all? You know what, you don't have to answer that. You've already said enough to tell us exactly who you are.

Something something Kyle Rittenhouse

Lorenzo, where did you go buddy? The people have questions!

KitKats posted...

Something something Kyle Rittenhouse

something something dude that chased down Kyle Rittenhouse while he was running away from an angry mob (who were yelling get his ass) and pulled a Glock on him was acting in self defense! It was an active shooter situation!

gotta love CE man

darkace77450 posted...

fixed that for you

yeah except those have been available to the public for over 50-75 or so years. Before 1986 you could buy a machine gun at sears

our own government changed the nfa so they could sell surplus m1 carbines to civilians. Those are way more powerful than the Kel Tec 9mm used in the Nashville shooting

so why the massive uptick in mass shootings in the last 30 years if access to firearms has remained the same (actually gotten more restricted, but whatever for arguments sake well act like the 2nd amendment hasnt been butchered in that time)

Man white people discrimination is getting out of hand. Someone should help them.

supergamerbret posted...

Man white people discrimination is getting out of hand. Someone should help them.

Yeah pretty insensitive thing to say in a topic about a person who clearly wrote that they are targeting white children and hope their kill count is high

but you do you

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pretty ironic thing to say in this topic

youenjoymyself1 posted...

something something dude that chased down Kyle Rittenhouse while he was running away from an angry mob (who were yelling get his ass) and pulled a Glock on him was acting in self defense! It was an active shooter situation!

gotta love CE man

We got ourselves a live one, boys! yee-haw

youenjoymyself1 posted...

Yeah pretty insensitive thing to say in a topic about a person who clearly wrote that they are targeting white children and hope their kill count is high

but you do you

You tally up all the white people killed by mass shooters specifically targeting white people, then we'll do the same for people of color and members of the LGBT community and we'll see which group is being targeted more.

So which revolving door user dragged out this alt to shitpost?

Murphiroth posted...

So which revolving door user dragged out this alt to shitpost?

Doubt they will last long peddling their white genocide propaganda here

KitKats posted...

Doubt they will last long peddling their white genocide propaganda here

Oh yeah they're probably getting popped before this topic is over.

They know that, it's why they had to trot out the alt.

youenjoymyself1 posted...

yeah except those have been available to the public for over 50-75 or so years. Before 1986 you could buy a machine gun at sears

our own government changed the nfa so they could sell surplus m1 carbines to civilians. Those are way more powerful than the Kel Tec 9mm used in the Nashville shooting

so why the massive uptick in mass shootings in the last 30 years if access to firearms has remained the same (actually gotten more restricted, but whatever for arguments sake well act like the 2nd amendment hasnt been butchered in that time)

How exactly are you quantifying "the 2nd amendment was butchered"?

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so what happened in this case?

mental illness?

we gonna conveniently blame mental Illness on this one, but yet the other 95% are because of right wing extremists

so the obvious answer is to ban guns

youenjoymyself1 posted...

so the obvious answer is to ban guns

Yes.

youenjoymyself1 posted...

so what happened in this case?

mental illness?

we gonna conveniently blame mental Illness on this one, but yet the other 95% are because of right wing extremists

so the obvious answer is to ban guns

Generally speaking: Political violence has spiked in the last 2-3 decades with a particularly large spike in the last decade. This is predominantly either white supremacist violence or anti-government violence. Mental illness can be a factor in many of these mass shootings but a lot of the time it isn't.

The issue the United States faces on this;

-The country is geographically large and has a long standing gun culture that is clearly working against safety in civil life.

-The nature of the states being spread out typically diffuses individual attempts at gun control. A common narrative point is that it doesn't work, but this is by design: Indiana is next to Chicago, so a gun control bill passed in Illinois is going to be useless because other states refuse to engage with the ban. Typically only one part of the whole is even engaging in the concept at all when it requires a collective effort.

-Calls for mental health reform are appropriate and good, but this is often simply used as a tactic to divert the conversation from guns. Republicans, the main political force in the country opposing gun restrictions, have also refused to engage in spending on mental health access.

-One of the primary Republican 2024 candidates, Vivek Ramaswamy - who has tried to engage with youth voters who are conservative - gives the game away on this by saying we need "prayer based initiative" to fix mental health issues, a vague and nonsensical concept when Christian Nationalism is a predominant reason political violence has increased.

I don't think banning all guns is realistic but it's worth noting that politicians have literally stated they don't intend to fix it, and these are predominantly conservatives that also refuse to offer mental health solutions that involve actual legwork and funding.

There's clearly one end of the political spectrum at fault on refusal to limit gun access and they also refuse to do anything else to stop the problem and their extreme wings are the ones committing over half of the terror attacks in the USA.

Zero_Destroyer posted...

-One of the primary Republican 2024 candidates, Vivek Ramaswamy - who has tried to engage with youth voters who are conservative - gives the game away on this by saying we need "prayer based initiative" to fix mental health issues, a vague and nonsensical concept when Christian Nationalism is a predominant reason political violence has increased.

To expand on this, most of our European and East Asian counterparts are far more secular than us yet have none of our gun violence issues.

youenjoymyself1 posted...

pretty ironic thing to say in this topic

They were talking about the "massive uptick in mass shootings over the last 30 years," not this particular mass shooting. Come on man, you have to focus.

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

This doesnt fit with the usual narrative of violent young white male incel, so not many on CE are going to care anyway. Besides, the victims are Christians.

Look at how fast they deflected to Crowder.

By "usual narrative" do you mean "the fucking way it actually is 99.9% of the time in these cases"?

Zero_Destroyer posted...

Generally speaking: Political violence has spiked in the last 2-3 decades with a particularly large spike in the last decade. This is predominantly either white supremacist violence or anti-government violence. Mental illness can be a factor in many of these mass shootings but a lot of the time it isn't.

The issue the United States faces on this;

-The country is geographically large and has a long standing gun culture that is clearly working against safety in civil life.

-The nature of the states being spread out typically diffuses individual attempts at gun control. A common narrative point is that it doesn't work, but this is by design: Indiana is next to Chicago, so a gun control bill passed in Illinois is going to be useless because other states refuse to engage with the ban. Typically only one part of the whole is even engaging in the concept at all when it requires a collective effort.

-Calls for mental health reform are appropriate and good, but this is often simply used as a tactic to divert the conversation from guns. Republicans, the main political force in the country opposing gun restrictions, have also refused to engage in spending on mental health access.

-One of the primary Republican 2024 candidates, Vivek Ramaswamy - who has tried to engage with youth voters who are conservative - gives the game away on this by saying we need "prayer based initiative" to fix mental health issues, a vague and nonsensical concept when Christian Nationalism is a predominant reason political violence has increased.

I don't think banning all guns is realistic but it's worth noting that politicians have literally stated they don't intend to fix it, and these are predominantly conservatives that also refuse to offer mental health solutions that involve actual legwork and funding.

There's clearly one end of the political spectrum at fault on refusal to limit gun access and they also refuse to do anything else to stop the problem and their extreme wings are the ones committing over half of the terror attacks in the USA.

Very well thought out post. Can't wait for the 60 karma chud alt to handwave it, ignore it, or cherry pick one sentence to respond to.

Zero_Destroyer posted...

-The nature of the states being spread out typically diffuses individual attempts at gun control. A common narrative point is that it doesn't work, but this is by design: Indiana is next to Chicago, so a gun control bill passed in Illinois is going to be useless because other states refuse to engage with the ban. Typically only one part of the whole is even engaging in the concept at all when it requires a collective effort.

It's how they made a federal drinking age without technically having that power.

Some fed highway program has a rider attached that requires said drinking age or you lose like 90% of the funding.

Before that it was up to the state, so you'd have people crossing borders to where they could drink legally and then drive back.

I hope that post disappeared because a mod nuked it