Current Events > How do you feel about male characters in fiction, displaying emotion?

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majin_nemesis posted...

it's more accepted then you want it to be,again it's okay to show emotion,people are more willing to accept it then you think, the problem with men it's that men don't want to show emotion it has nothing to do with other people they don't want to accept their own emotions,it's men that have to accept themselves as vulnerable,it has nothing to do with society, society accepts it pretty well

No one said it's not accepted at all.

I said it's not equally as accepted as woman being emotional. Which it's not.

The rest of your post is a bunch of words that still amounts to men being emotional in today's society is still not accepted just as much as it is for woman being emotional in real life.

I cant think of single piece of good media where the character doesnt show emotion

We need more of it

NatsuSama posted...

the suicide rates literally skewing towards being mostly men.

Now do suicide attempt rates.

Seaman_Prime posted...

I cant think of single piece of good media where the character doesnt show emotion

Nightcrawler with Jake Gyllenhaal.

NatsuSama posted...

No one said it's not accepted at all.

I said it's not equally as accepted as woman being emotional. Which it's not.

The rest of your post is a bunch of words that still amounts to men being emotional in today's society is still not accepted just as much as it is for woman being emotional in real life. Which regardless of whatever excuse you come up with, it's still society still not being equally okay with men being emotional as woman in real life. Which per usual, has some who don't and refuse to acknowledge it's not equally accepted.

it's okay for men to be emotional and it's very accepted, the people that don't accept it their opinion also doesn't matter anyway

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Either way, he was mind controlled to do bad things and mind controlled to enjoy them. It just comes across as whiny and weak when it takes him 5 years to get over that.

What makes you believe he was mind controlled to enjoy it? The scene of him attacking Kyrestia in Bastion definitely shows him being shocked.

Ruvan22 posted...

What makes you believe he was mind controlled to enjoy it? The scene of him attacking Kyrestia in Bastion definitely shows him being shocked.

I'm saying that his revelation that he enjoyed some of it was definitely a side effect of the influence taking control of him. He has always had a gentle and compassionate nature. He was never like Arthas.

majin_nemesis posted...

it's okay for men to be emotional and it's very accepted, the people that don't accept it their opinion also doesn't matter anyway

Once again no one said it's not okay for men to be emotional. You keep repeating it's okay, and that hasn't been argued even once.

I said it's not equally as accepted as woman being emotional in real life. Which it's not, as its stereotypically marked as "less manly" which is not a positive connotation. And the people that don't acerpt it equally, very much matter as they are the reason it's not equally accepted. People that don't want to even acknowledge it's a problem in the first place.

NatsuSama posted...

I said it's not equally as accepted as woman being emotional in real life. Which it's not, as its stereotypically marked as "less manly" which is not a positive connotation

I've never heard someone say a man shouldn't be POTUS because they're too emotional. But go on, tell us about how men have it worse than women when it comes to stereotypes of emotions.

darkace77450 posted...

I've never heard someone say a man shouldn't be POTUS because they're too emotional. But go on, tell us about how men have it worse than women when it comes to stereotypes of emotions.

I'm amazed you think that's something that goes against my point. You are actually helping my point if you aren't aware.

For starters I didn't say men have it worse when it comes to stereotypes and emotions. Once again for the umpteenth time I said, it's not equally as accepted as woman being emotional in real life. You are conflating a totally different argument to something I never said. Yes woman have their own nuanced negative stereotypes and issues associated with them that aren't true and are not good things to perpetuate. Stereotypes used against them to argue they are "irrational" or a "ticking time bomb" because they are "too emotional." My post didn't argue they dont have their own nuanced problems, and they most certainly have it worse in that specific nuance of "being an emotional woman" is used to argue they can't hold important positions. Once again, that is different from what I was discussing which was specifically it being equally accepted of a man being emotional which brings me to the next point.

Second, your own example paints a story that says a woman cant be trusted because shes naturally emotional, but men somehow naturally aren't supposed to be emotional. (Which unfortunately I think I'm going to have to repeat once again, that doesn't mean I agree with that sentiment of woman are too emotional. But your example certainly paints the societal stereotype that woman are the irrational and emotional creatures while men are not. A stereotype that I know Im going to have to repeat again, that... I. Do. Not. Agree. With.)

Yes I know, nuanced conversation is tough nowadays since so many take an all or nothing, Team A vs Team B approach. But both genders can have it worse for very specific and different reasons to this actually nuanced discussion. Woman can have it worse in one area while men can have it worse in another. No where do I argue men have it worse overall when it comes to emotions and stereotypes.

majin_nemesis posted...

it's been very okay for men to show emotion for a long time not sure why now suddenly it isn't again,people need to stop listening to the right wing"alpha males" on youtube

stop trying to tell other people what their fuckin life experiences have been man. Congratulations, your family didn't slap the shit out of you for crying because "crying is for sissies". Want a fuckin cookie or somethin?

Gremlynn posted...

stop trying to tell other people what their fuckin life experiences have been man. Congratulations, your family didn't slap the shit out of you for crying because "crying is for sissies". Want a fuckin cookie or somethin?

and why didn't you kept crying anyway? and why do you most keep following what you family said? they don't own you or rule you

majin_nemesis posted...

and why didn't you kept crying anyway? and why do you most keep following what you family said? they don't own you or rule you

Learn to actually recognize the point being made. I'm not addressing who i am now, or what i've chosen to be despite society is, i am addressing the bullshit claim that society at large doesn't view displays of emotion as a negative.

Gremlynn posted...

Learn to actually recognize the point being made. I'm not addressing who i am now, or what i've chosen to be despite society is, i am addressing the bullshit claim that society at large doesn't view displays of emotion as a negative.

your family not accepting doesn't mean that society doesn't,your family just isn't a very good one

majin_nemesis posted...

your family not accepting doesn't mean that society doesn't,your family just isn't a very good one

Except my case is far from unique or isolated and is in fact extremely common?

Just because we're gradually getting better about it (primarily just in more progressive-leaning communities, but still) doesn't mean a significant portion of our generation did not grow up with and internalize the notion that displays of emotion are a weakness and to be discouraged.

Like, if that wasn't your experience then cool, i'm genuinely happy for you. I'm not saying literally everybody had that experience, or that even most who did had it to such a severe level that violence and physical abuse was expected. But these experiences do not happen in a vacuum, they happen in a patriarchal society that associates displays of emotion with femininity, and femininity with weakness.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

I'm saying that his revelation that he enjoyed some of it was definitely a side effect of the influence taking control of him. He has always had a gentle and compassionate nature. He was never like Arthas.

Sure - unintended being the key word, and why I liked the story/character arc. It's not about him trying to undo actions but put this completely unexpected but concrete aspect of himself into the broader picture of how he views himself. For me that makes for a better story and reason for absence than the last part of Legion overused trope of "Can I live up to the responsibilities"