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aquablack
11/07/23 8:39:46 PM
#51:


It gets a pass for having similarities to Evangelion which too many people hold regard in such a high pedestal. The writers deny this but we know it's all bs. Kind of like how Hunger Games obviously ripped off Battle Royale.

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trivialbeing
11/07/23 8:52:40 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

what's so great about the story

honest question. I never played it
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ellis123
11/07/23 8:53:48 PM
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trivialbeing posted...
honest question. I never played it
Everyone already got that about you.

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trivialbeing
11/07/23 8:54:23 PM
#54:


ellis123 posted...
Everyone already got that about you.
that I never played Xenogears?
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trivialbeing
11/07/23 8:55:04 PM
#55:


I did play Xenosaga for what it's worth
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furb
11/07/23 8:55:15 PM
#56:


Game is awesome and avant garde.

I love it and the art house second disc.

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VeggetaX
11/07/23 8:56:18 PM
#57:


PowerOats posted...
Does XenoGears even have good or great gameplay? Or is it the Music/lore/characters/something else?
Gameplay is trash and is insanely easy to abuse. Citen is a broken PoS human character and Elly's gear solos everything.

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Shishiwakamaru
11/07/23 8:56:51 PM
#58:


VeggetaX posted...
I didn't know so many people loved graphic novel video games. Did you?

Yes

Thanks for giving me a reason to play Xenogears

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VeggetaX
11/07/23 8:57:26 PM
#59:


furb posted...
Game is awesome and avant garde.

I love it and the art house second disc.
@loafy013 you seeing this shit, man?

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VeggetaX
11/08/23 9:42:38 AM
#60:


Realize that this game was way too ambitious for its own good. The game used a shit ton of religious references for it's own creation and you'd have to be a bit of a scholar of things like Cain and Abel to get what their initial objectives are.

This game is a bait and switch. All the initial incidents and shit happening are made to be trivial in the grand scheme of things. It's one of those games where you fight God at the end, or an imitation of it.

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loafy013
11/08/23 9:43:22 AM
#61:


VeggetaX posted...
Citen is a ... PoS human character
I will never fail to link to this when talking about Citan. (spoiler warning for old game)
https://lparchive.org/Xenogears-(by-The-Dark-Id)/Citan/

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Plumeofdusk
11/08/23 10:04:30 AM
#62:


Keep Xenogears name out of your filthy mouth OP. If you don't get it then it clearly wasn't meant for a surface dweller -lamb- of your sort. :v Your favorite game *wishes* it had the -depth- and -nuance- of storytelling that Xenogears has. Your favorite game will never -stand tall and shake the heavens- like Xenogears did.
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Ricemills
11/08/23 10:19:07 AM
#63:


VeggetaX posted...
Elly's gear solos everything.

not the final boss for sure :v

Anyway, the change from Shitan to Citan for English audience is pretty funny to me. Too bad the didn't change Shion to Cion too.
But the other changes are annoying to me, changing the family name to fit western convention (Wong Fei Fong to Fei Fong Wong, where it's a reference to real life martial artist Wong Fei Hung), or changing Myyah to Miang making her connection to Elhayym more obscure.


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FunWithAFryPan
11/08/23 10:34:36 AM
#64:


Its a JRPG with mechs and king fu, and it has one of the best stories of any video game ever. Of course its going to be well loved. And I think youre overstating how bad the gameplay is. Its not perfect, and it could be rebalanced a little, but its fine. And it was different than what people were used to at the time.

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VeggetaX
11/08/23 10:39:21 AM
#65:


FunWithAFryPan posted...
Its a JRPG with mechs and king fu, and it has one of the best stories of any video game ever.
Is that all what it takes to give a game a free pass for being rushed and incomplete? No Man Sky should have did this then.

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FunWithAFryPan
11/08/23 10:49:21 AM
#66:


VeggetaX posted...
Is that all what it takes to give a game a free pass for being rushed and incomplete? No Man Sky should have did this then.
Is that all? Thats a lot. The moment to moment gameplay is still extremely fun. Its unfortunate that disc 2 was rushed, but the game is remembered as one of the best PS1 rpgs for a reason.

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AnsestralRecall
11/08/23 10:51:04 AM
#67:


Xenosaga games are way better than gears and deserve a remastering.
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Plumeofdusk
11/08/23 10:53:30 AM
#68:


FunWithAFryPan posted...
Is that all? Thats a lot. The moment to moment gameplay is still extremely fun. Its unfortunate that disc 2 was rushed, but the game is remembered as one of the best PS1 rpgs for a reason.

And it isn't like they rushed the game out because they wanted to, Square was literally pulling resources from Xenogears to develop FFVIII. It's a miracle they managed to actually finish the story, even if had to be delivered like a visual novel. :v
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AnsestralRecall
11/08/23 10:53:32 AM
#69:


VeggetaX posted...
Is that all what it takes to give a game a free pass for being rushed and incomplete? No Man Sky should have did this then.

No Mans Sky is a wholly different situation fwiw. They literally lost basically the entirety of their office due to a flood.

No one ever acknowledges the actual reasons why NMS launched unfinished.

The game is absolutely amazing now though.
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Zikten
11/08/23 10:54:05 AM
#70:


A fully developed modern remake would be so good. But I have never been sure if Square Enix still owns the rights to Xenogears. I once I think was told the people who made it left the company and took the rights with them. Then went on to make those Xeno something games on ps2. I forget the name.
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Zikten
11/08/23 10:54:41 AM
#71:


aquablack posted...
It gets a pass for having similarities to Evangelion which too many people hold regard in such a high pedestal. The writers deny this but we know it's all bs. Kind of like how Hunger Games obviously ripped off Battle Royale.

my own headcanon
And Battle Royale ripped off a short story by Stephen King called The Long Walk
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VeggetaX
11/08/23 10:57:14 AM
#72:


FunWithAFryPan posted...
Is that all? Thats a lot. The moment to moment gameplay is still extremely fun. Its unfortunate that disc 2 was rushed, but the game is remembered as one of the best PS1 rpgs for a reason.
So you like a lot of graphic novels in your JRPGs huh?

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Ricemills
11/08/23 10:57:27 AM
#73:


Zikten posted...
A fully developed modern remake would be so good. But I have never been sure if Square Enix still owns the rights to Xenogears. I once I think was told the people who made it left the company and took the rights with them. Then went on to make those Xeno something games on ps2. I forget the name.

They still own the rights.

Monolith Soft didn't, so Xenosaga actually didn't have a direct connection to Xenogears, only likenesses and references.

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Zikten
11/08/23 10:58:35 AM
#74:


Oh OK. So Gears could potentially be remade someday. I hope it happens in my lifetime
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VeggetaX
11/08/23 10:59:25 AM
#75:


Plumeofdusk posted...
And it isn't like they rushed the game out because they wanted to
This is assuming you believe they were going to nearly establish a very well polished game even with time and resource. The game was way too ambitious and that was part of its failing.

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creativerealms
11/08/23 11:00:37 AM
#76:


The TC thinks that his opinion is fact and everyone agrees with him

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VeggetaX
11/08/23 11:01:27 AM
#77:


Last Xenogears siting was from World of Fantasy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1Vwo2RRWMc

And they were able to license Xenogears character to gacha games like FFBE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lC6zjPBBXA

Square still owns the rights to the game.

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VeggetaX
11/08/23 11:01:46 AM
#78:


creativerealms posted...
The TC thinks that his opinion is fact and everyone agrees with him
More like the other way around.

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Ricemills
11/08/23 11:02:05 AM
#79:


If it was created nowadays, they would have simply wrap disc 1 as Xenogears: Part 1 and release the Disc 2 contents way later.


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FunWithAFryPan
11/08/23 11:18:23 AM
#80:


VeggetaX posted...
So you like a lot of graphic novels in your JRPGs huh?
Not particularly, but by the time I got to disc 2, I was invested.

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Tyranthraxus
11/08/23 11:22:19 AM
#81:


Ricemills posted...
not the final boss for sure :v

You have the Xenogears for the final boss though. That's not really a fair assessment.

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VeggetaX
11/08/23 11:25:54 AM
#82:


FunWithAFryPan posted...
Not particularly, but by the time I got to disc 2, I was invested.
Right, so you give this game a pass.

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crayola555
11/08/23 11:28:58 AM
#83:


Looks like TC reached far and wide to the stars to find a reason to hate xenogears

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AnsestralRecall
11/08/23 11:32:41 AM
#84:


crayola555 posted...
Looks like TC reached far and wide to the stars to find a reason to hate xenogears

His ass isn't in the cosmos
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ellis123
11/08/23 11:34:04 AM
#85:


VeggetaX posted...
Last Xenogears sighting was from World of Fantasy
No it wasn't. It was in Xenoblade 3.

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Ricemills
11/08/23 11:36:41 AM
#86:


Tyranthraxus posted...
You have the Xenogears for the final boss though. That's not really a fair assessment.

I'm referring to the situation where Elly is unavailable for the last dungeon

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VeggetaX
11/08/23 11:48:24 AM
#87:


crayola555 posted...
Looks like TC reached far and wide to the stars to find a reason to hate xenogears
Oh please it takes no effort to see how bad this game is.

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FunWithAFryPan
11/08/23 12:01:45 PM
#88:


VeggetaX posted...
Right, so you give this game a pass.
No, because that implies its a bad game. Its not. Its a fantastic game.

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VeggetaX
11/08/23 12:13:54 PM
#89:


Semantics.

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AnsestralRecall
11/08/23 12:29:52 PM
#90:


VeggetaX posted...
Semantics.

Is all you ever have. Just admit you don't value anyone else's opinions and move past this fucking pageantry
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VeggetaX
11/08/23 12:31:38 PM
#91:


AnsestralRecall posted...
Is all you ever have. Just admit you don't value anyone else's opinions and move past this fucking pageantry
I'll admit that soon as you guys admit you give this game a huge fucking pass you wouldn't give the same to other rushed unfinished games

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Prismsblade
11/08/23 12:36:03 PM
#92:


Golden Sun beats it on all fronts in my opinion. Hell at least xeno had an interesting story on paper. Golden sun didnt have that or anything going for it.

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Prestoff
11/08/23 12:36:44 PM
#93:


Nostalgia, that's the answer. Same for Dragonball Z

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VeggetaX
11/08/23 12:39:44 PM
#94:


Prismsblade posted...
Golden Sun beats it on all fronts in my opinion. Hell at least xeno had an interesting story on paper. Golden sun didnt have that or anything going for it.
Golden Sun didn't try to be a wannabe epic super ambitious game. Golden Sun was bland and plain as fuck and no one should have expected anything more from the game. You want a classic style JRPG? That's what Golden Sun was trying to be, IMO.

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VeggetaX
11/08/23 12:41:08 PM
#95:


Prestoff posted...
Nostalgia, that's the answer.
Oh I know. I was just hoping someone would admit this about themselves.

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ellis123
11/08/23 12:43:00 PM
#96:


VeggetaX posted...
I'll admit that soon as you guys admit you give this game a huge fucking pass you wouldn't give the same to other rushed unfinished games
Make a topic about KotoR 2 then. It was famously horribly unfinished and rushed. See if it gets any defense as well.

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VeggetaX
11/08/23 12:46:49 PM
#97:


ellis123 posted...
Make a topic about KotoR 2 then. It was famously horribly unfinished and rushed. See if it gets any defense as well.
You make it. Another game that gets super shit on for being rushed and unfinished is FF15. Well, since the game gave me a fantastic experience then that excuses all of its flaws right?

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BakonBitz
11/08/23 12:48:47 PM
#98:


This is why the Xenoblade games are better. Sure the stories are toned down on the amount of lore-building and existential elements, but they're designed as games first and foremost.

...That said I only played Xenogears up until the desert town, which wasn't very far at all. I plan on getting back to it eventually. Xenosaga's a different story since I don't have a PS2 and copies are very expensive. I guess I could do it via other means, but...

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Justin2Krelian
11/08/23 12:51:35 PM
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This. Its weird how vehemently some people hate this game. There was a guy on another board who was even more hardcore than TC.

The chair thing was annoying, but the story was so good by the second half of disc 2 it barely mattered to me, plus you start to get used to it.

Theres areas where its flawed, but its still the GOAT in core story (arguable surpassed by Xenosaga III), ensemble cast of villains, character depth, and especially soundtrack.

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Tyranthraxus
11/08/23 12:58:10 PM
#100:


Justin2Krelian posted...
This. Its weird how vehemently some people hate this game. There was a guy on another board who was even more hardcore than TC.

The chair thing was annoying, but the story was so good by the second half of disc 2 it barely mattered to me, plus you start to get used to it.

Theres areas where its flawed, but its still the GOAT in core story (arguable surpassed by Xenosaga III), ensemble cast of villains, character depth, and especially soundtrack.
The story of disc 2 was good from a story perspective it just sucked from a video game perspective since it glossed over many major events in just text.

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