Current Events > The Marvels starts at 55% on rottentomatoes

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Why is there no audience score?
isnt the movie out?

Waxitron_Gazer posted...

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New York Post
NOV 7, 2023
In order: bland, annoying and misused.

JESUS lol

I guess he didnt really care for it

Jx1010 posted...

Why is there no audience score?
isnt the movie out?

The rubes haven't had a chance to see the movie yet. It comes out tomorrow

Man this movie sure does look incredibly unremarkable. I'm sure it will be "fine" overall, but fine is pretty bad compared to the glory days of the MCU when it was just banger after banger (and Iron Man 2/3 and Thor 2 but we don't talk about those)

Jx1010 posted...

Why is there no audience score?
isnt the movie out?

Not til friday

Just finished and I thought it was pretty fun and enjoyable if a bit rushed. My biggest complaint is they should have had this as the end of Phase 4

Whoever gave it a 0 deserves to have their review credentials removed

Xerun posted...

Just finished and I thought it was pretty fun and enjoyable if a bit rushed.

Whoever gave it a 0 deserves to have their review credentials removed

Are you in LA or NYC or something? Its not supposed to be out yet in most areas

Zikten posted...

Are you in LA or NYC or something? Its not supposed to be out yet in most areas

Australia. Its been out for almost 24 hours where I live

Xerun posted...

Australia. Its been out for almost 24 hours where I live

Oh. That makes sense

Malaysian here, it's out in my country too.

Not rotten anymore at least

according to https://www.joblo.com/the-marvels-box-office-projections-fall/

The Marvels: Box office projections fall with sequel looking at a $140 million worldwide opening weekend

The Marvels is set to hit theaters in just a few days, but the studio must be getting a little anxious as the box office forecast has actually fallen from previous estimates.

It was reported just three weeks ago that The Marvels was looking at bringing in somewhere between $75-$80 million over its opening weekend, but a new forecast has lowered that estimate to $50-$60 million. International projections are sitting at $80 million, which brings the worldwide box office estimate for The Marvels to somewhere around $140 million. Depending on how the movie fares during Thursday night previews, the opening weekend could dip even lower.

To put into perspective, the worldwide opening weekend of The Marvels could very well come in under previous underperforming Marvel movies such as Eternals with $160 million and Black Widow with $148 million. Recent marketing for the film has been trying to pump up excitement for the movie, with the latest trailer teasing a moment that changes everything. There have also been rumours of multiple cameos, but I suppose well have to wait and see how many of them turn out to be true.

i wonder, if this does happen and it brings in only $140 million, what will marvel do? we know they will have to make big changes to bring fans back to the mcu. will they just rush bringing in the x-men and fantastic 4 into the mcu? will they scale back the amount of movies and tv shows per year? will the studio give more creative reign to the directors? i dont think they can just keep the status quo anymore.

Feels like MCU is another victim of corporatism.
Rather than releasing one movie with big success, they pumped a lot of mediocre movie with moderate success to maximize profits.

NhojAnec posted...

according to https://www.joblo.com/the-marvels-box-office-projections-fall/

The Marvels: Box office projections fall with sequel looking at a $140 million worldwide opening weekend

The Marvels is set to hit theaters in just a few days, but the studio must be getting a little anxious as the box office forecast has actually fallen from previous estimates.

It was reported just three weeks ago that The Marvels was looking at bringing in somewhere between $75-$80 million over its opening weekend, but a new forecast has lowered that estimate to $50-$60 million. International projections are sitting at $80 million, which brings the worldwide box office estimate for The Marvels to somewhere around $140 million. Depending on how the movie fares during Thursday night previews, the opening weekend could dip even lower.

To put into perspective, the worldwide opening weekend of The Marvels could very well come in under previous underperforming Marvel movies such as Eternals with $160 million and Black Widow with $148 million. Recent marketing for the film has been trying to pump up excitement for the movie, with the latest trailer teasing a moment that changes everything. There have also been rumours of multiple cameos, but I suppose well have to wait and see how many of them turn out to be true.

i wonder, if this does happen and it brings in only $140 million, what will marvel do? we know they will have to make big changes to bring fans back to the mcu. will they just rush bringing in the x-men and fantastic 4 into the mcu? will they scale back the amount of movies and tv shows per year? will the studio give more creative reign to the directors? i dont think they can just keep the status quo anymore.

I think the plan is set, and the plan is probably fine. Just need to execute better. The marvels wouldnt struggle if the movie was better and many of the recent shows/movies had been better. Guardians 3 was set for a rocky start but then made bank due to it being good

People who hate the mcu need to just calm down and ignore it. Don't like it anymore? Stop watching it. Quit worrying about it. You'll live longer

What a surprise. But I didn't need to see any reviews to know the movie looked like horse shit anyways.

Zikten posted...

People who hate the mcu need to just calm down and ignore it. Don't like it anymore? Stop watching it. Quit worrying about it. You'll live longer

But what about those who like MCU?

Ricemills posted...

But what about those who like MCU?

Then they should accept not every chapter will be Endgame. Learn to enjoy smaller stories. Or just don't watch every single installment

Zikten posted...

Then they should accept not every chapter will be Endgame. Learn to enjoy smaller stories. Or just don't watch every single installment

Did those, and this movie shouldn't be a "smaller stories".
I just wanted it to be good dammit. I'm a guy who think Black Widow, Thor L&T and qAntuMania is decent. I might ended up liking this movie too but i want many others do too.

People out here talking about how bad the MCU is must not even be old enough to drive. They have zero conception of how bad comic book movies actually were at one point.

Go back. Look at the comic movies that came before. The Spirit, The Phantom, Seth goddamn Rogan in The Green Hornet. Sin City tried hard, but ended up being tryhard. The original Howard the Duck is just infamously bad. Depending on your age, knowledge of the source material, and level of nostalgia, TMNT and The Mask were... not the best (all love to Jim Henson Workshop for the magic they did anyway on the former, though--those effects were childhood-defining). Judge Dredd, anyone? Green Lantern or any of the incarnations of Fantastic Four top out recent memory. Remember the dumpster fire that was X3? And that's just the beginning of a list probably longer than the GameFAQs character count will allow.

People need to stop bitching about phase 5 and show some appreciation for what we've got.

And then cut them some slack for having to solve for the entire workaround due to Boseman's passing. There was a lot, as I understand it, planned around him.

A mid-tier MCU film is leagues better than what we used to get. And a mid-tier comic book movie is something we can live with instead of complaining when it's not High Cinema. Some people need to temper their expectations accordingly.

DnDer posted...

People out here talking about how bad the MCU is must not even be old enough to drive. They have zero conception of how bad comic book movies actually were at one point.

Go back. Look at the comic movies that came before. The Spirit, The Phantom, Seth goddamn Rogan in The Green Hornet. Sin City tried hard, but ended up being tryhard. The original Howard the Duck is just infamously bad. Depending on your age, knowledge of the source material, and level of nostalgia, TMNT and The Mask were... not the best (all love to Jim Henson Workshop for the magic they did anyway on the former, though--those effects were childhood-defining). Judge Dredd, anyone? Green Lantern or any of the incarnations of Fantastic Four top out recent memory. Remember the dumpster fire that was X3? And that's just the beginning of a list probably longer than the GameFAQs character count will allow.

People need to stop bitching about phase 5 and show some appreciation for what we've got.

And then cut them some slack for having to solve for the entire workaround due to Boseman's passing. There was a lot, as I understand it, planned around him.

A mid-tier MCU film is leagues better than what we used to get. And a mid-tier comic book movie is something we can live with instead of complaining when it's not High Cinema. Some people need to temper their expectations accordingly.

Well, that just happened...

itcheyness posted...

Well, that just happened...

I mean he has a point though

DnDer posted...

They have zero conception of how bad comic book movies actually were at one point.

Extremely false. A modern movie can be awful while some of the older movies are also kinda bad. Both can be true.

This seems to be going upward, seems first critics were harsher and more casual viewers are kinder. Also avoids being MCU's 4th rotten title

Zikten posted...

I mean he has a point though

What? That comic movies were crappy before this so we shouldn't appreciate the MCU more?

Thats an awful take

Plumeofdusk posted...

I wonder what will take Marvel's place when they're finally dead. Will romcoms make a comeback? :v Maybe some smaller creative films?

While I dont think theyre gonna die within the next 2-3 years, they absolutely will start plummeting not long after if they dont start course correcting now

The death of Superhero movies is coming quicker than expected. If Disney and Marvel keep this up, it'll be like the 70's-80's where it'll be seen as unprofitable.

The cure is simple, the well received ones made bank. Focus on quality over qauntity

The more people cry about this movie the more I want to see it. I was originally going to watch it on Disney+, but the usual suspects keep advertising it.

DnDer posted...

People out here talking about how bad the MCU is must not even be old enough to drive. They have zero conception of how bad comic book movies actually were at one point.

Go back. Look at the comic movies that came before. The Spirit, The Phantom, Seth goddamn Rogan in The Green Hornet. Sin City tried hard, but ended up being tryhard. The original Howard the Duck is just infamously bad. Depending on your age, knowledge of the source material, and level of nostalgia, TMNT and The Mask were... not the best (all love to Jim Henson Workshop for the magic they did anyway on the former, though--those effects were childhood-defining). Judge Dredd, anyone? Green Lantern or any of the incarnations of Fantastic Four top out recent memory. Remember the dumpster fire that was X3? And that's just the beginning of a list probably longer than the GameFAQs character count will allow.

People need to stop bitching about phase 5 and show some appreciation for what we've got.

And then cut them some slack for having to solve for the entire workaround due to Boseman's passing. There was a lot, as I understand it, planned around him.

A mid-tier MCU film is leagues better than what we used to get. And a mid-tier comic book movie is something we can live with instead of complaining when it's not High Cinema. Some people need to temper their expectations accordingly.

he's right behind me, isn't he?

GhostFaceLeaks posted...

The death of Superhero movies is coming quicker than expected. If Disney and Marvel keep this up, it'll be like the 70's-80's where it'll be seen as unprofitable.

"Death" seems like a huge exaggeration, considering they still make more money than most other movies. But even then, "quicker?" The MCU has literally been going on for over 15 years. If anything, superhero movies far outlived what was initially expected.

If anything, it was literally the MCU, itself, that shifted people's expectations. Before the MCU, do you know how hard it was to hold people's attention so much that you, constantly, had the top grossing movies every year, with very few exceptions, for as long as they have?

Now, suddenly, the rhetoric is "The MCU died quicker than expected, even though it's not dead yet, and based on expectations... Set by the MCU."

That argument is just... Something.

Yeah "death" of super hero movies is a hyperbole. They would've died years ago if that was the case. I think what people are specifically talking about is the MCU formula and if they keep making mediocre movie after mediocre movies, they'll end up like the deceased DCEU Synderverse. Granted, the MCU is still in a better position than DC movies.

Prestoff posted...

Yeah "death" of super hero movies is a hyperbole. They would've died years ago if that was the case. I think what people are specifically talking about is the MCU formula and if they keep making mediocre movie after mediocre movies, they'll end up like the deceased DCEU Synderverse. Granted, the MCU is still in a better position than DC movies.

The latter point is the important part. They can afford to have a few "down" years and still make money. Ultimately, they may have to shift their focus a bit and, over time, not make so many huge budget blockbusters, but to say "superhero movies are dying" is ridiculous, and, similarly, the MCU formula still WORKS, just potentially not as much as it has, before. And even that isn't a bad thing, it just means they need to recognize that and not expect to top the charts every single time, when they budget things.

Prestoff posted...

Yeah "death" of super hero movies is a hyperbole. They would've died years ago if that was the case. I think what people are specifically talking about is the MCU formula and if they keep making mediocre movie after mediocre movies, they'll end up like the deceased DCEU Synderverse. Granted, the MCU is still in a better position than DC movies.

Yeah, superhero movies and shows ain't going away. The "MCU formula" is what's getting stale, because if you'll notice nearly all the well-received MCU movies don't follow the same basic formula.

DcEU lasted 10 years on flop after flop and most of the movies were getting crapped on too and its still got one in the tank. Mcu got a lot more fails to go before that happens

In my opinion, Marvel needs to take a step back and basically reinvent/reassert their heroes. The MCU formula did so well because people were so attached to Captain America, and Iron Man, and so on. GotG3 did so well because they were established characters, but the movies that aren't doing as well typically feature new, or less established, characters. Granted, Ant-Man is established, but the Ant-Man movies also never particularly did well (for some reason or another, I always greatly enjoyed them.)

So I think they need to take time and re-establish the new "Avengers," so to speak. Don't just assume people know and care about the characters. Don't just assume they're beloved, just because they may have appeared in a few previous movies. The thing Marvel had over DC was character, pure and simple. Lower the budget, and get people invested in the characters again. Get them invested in Captain Marvel, and Ms. Marvel, and whoever else. Get them invested in new Thor, or whatever. Get them invested in the new Guardians, if you're moving forward with them. Etc. and so on. That's the key.

Toonstrack posted...

DcEU lasted 10 years on flop after flop and most of the movies were getting crapped on too and its still got one in the tank. Mcu got a lot more fails to go before that happens

If you compare how long DCEU lasted on pure failures, to how long MCU may last based on its hits, MCU has like, a good 10 years in the bank, yet.

I'm obviously using hyperbole, but I think you get what I'm saying.

StealThisSheen posted...

In my opinion, Marvel needs to take a step back and basically reinvent/reassert their heroes. The MCU formula did so well because people were so attached to Captain America, and Iron Man, and so on. GotG3 did so well because they were established characters, but the movies that aren't doing as well typically feature new, or less established, characters. Granted, Ant-Man is established, but the Ant-Man movies also never particularly did well (for some reason or another, I always greatly enjoyed them.)

Literally everything in this paragraph is outright false.

No one in the GA gave a rats ass about Iron man or cap before the mcu

Every single mcu project this year has been about pre established characters, the only ones that weren't were from 2021 with shang chi and eternals

StealThisSheen posted...

If you compare how long DCEU lasted on pure failures, to how long MCU may last based on its hits, MCU has like, a good 10 years in the bank, yet.

I'm obviously using hyperbole, but I think you get what I'm saying.

That's exactly what I'm getting at. Dceu started off mid and got exponentially worse to the point where a black panther movie outgrossed an excellent batman film last year.

There brand is well and truly tarnished and im need of repair and its entirely the DCEUs fault.

Toonstrack posted...

Literally everything in this paragraph is outright false.

No one in the GA gave a rats ass about Iron man or cap before the mcu

Every single mcu project this year has been about pre established characters, the only ones that weren't were from 2021 with shang chi and eternals

You couldn't have misunderstood my post more if you tried.

I never said BEFORE the MCU. My point was that the Avengers/later MCU movies did so well BECAUSE they got people invested in Cap and IM THROUGH the movies.

I feel like you were in such a rush to post that you just didn't take the time to comprehend what I was getting at... At all.

Captain Marvel, for example, got one movie of actual character development, and then was immediately pushed into the Avengers movies. And they were movies literally at the end of a storyline, already. She hasn't been nearly as established as others were, and yet now she's mainly appearing in team-up movies.

EDIT: Yes, Ant-Man did relatively "poorly," but Ant-Man movies never made HUGE bank. Meanwhile, Guardians did well. Dr. Strange did well. My point was, currently, they're pushing characters at people too fast. Captain Marvel shouldn't be in purely team-up movies, at this point. Not yet.

Toonstrack posted...

DcEU lasted 10 years on flop after flop and most of the movies were getting crapped on too and its still got one in the tank. Mcu got a lot more fails to go before that happens

DCEU films were not flops though till after the pandemic. Every one of them upto Aquaman made more money than all but 4 post-pandemic MCU movies. Joker and The Batman also made a lot more than any post MCU movie other than NWH. It kept DC going overall.

The real flops started with Black Adam, Shazam 2, Flash, and Blue Bettle. The MCU's first flop only happened 3 months after Black Adam with Quantumania.

HornyLevel posted...

DCEU films were not flops though till after the pandemic. Every one of them upto Aquaman made more money than all but 4 post-pandemic MCU movies. Joker and The Batman also made a lot more than any post MCU movie other than NWH. It kept DC going overall.

The real flops started with Black Adam, Shazam 2, Flash, and Blue Bettle. The MCU's first flop only happened 3 months after Black Adam with Quantumania.

...I feel like the issue with this post is blatantly that your entire premise is "Pre-pandemic DC movies did better than some post-pandemic MCU movies."

That's a faulty logic point to start from, to begin with.

StealThisSheen posted...

...I feel like the issue with this post is blatantly that your entire premise is "Pre-pandemic DC movies did better than some post-pandemic MCU movies."

That's a faulty logic point to start from, to begin with.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

DCEU movies didn't start flopping till last year. So that poster's "DcEU lasted 10 years on flop after flop" is incorrect.

HornyLevel posted...

I have no idea what you're talking about.

DCEU movies didn't start flopping till last year. So that poster's "DcEU lasted 10 years on flop after flop" is incorrect.

They flopped in comparison to MCU, and against their own budget. Very few DC movies, even pre-pandemic, made anywhere near as much bank as MCU, vs. budget, and thus they can be considered "flops" in that manner, since MCU basically dictated what superhero movies COULD accomplish.

EDIT: The DC movies that are flopping now are flopping to the extent where they're literally struggling to break even, or even losing money. Which is much worse, yes, but even before the pandemic, DC movies were only doing "okay," which can be considered a "flop" for the genre.

StealThisSheen posted...

Captain Marvel, for example, got one movie of actual character development, and then was immediately pushed into the Avengers movies. And they were movies literally at the end of a storyline, already. She hasn't been nearly as established as others were, and yet now she's mainly appearing in team-up movies.

What? Capt. America, Hulk, Thor, Ant-Man and Dr. Strange all had 1 movie before appearing in a team-up. Scarlet Witch, Vision, Black Panther and Spider-Man even debuted in team-up movies.

It's literally only Iron Man and Guardians who had more than 1 movie before a team-up appearance.

What's different for Captain Marvel?

Hornezz posted...

What? Capt. America, Hulk, Thor, Ant-Man and Dr. Strange all had 1 movie before appearing in a team-up. Scarlet Witch, Vision, Black Panther and Spider-Man even debuted in team-up movies.

What's different for Captain Marvel?

All of those characters either had multiple solo movies, or multiple team-up movies, prior to Endgame. Captain Marvel, basically, only had one. So they should have built on her with a solo focus after that, instead of continuing to relegate her to team-up movies. The only exemption is I think Dr. Strange, but he immediately followed up Endgame with a solo movie. That's what should have happened with Captain Marvel.

EDIT: And, yes, I get MoM did introduce new characters, but Dr. Strange was still the focal point, and he also appeared in a Spiderman movie.

EDIT EDIT: And, to be clear, I'm specifically using Endgame as a "cutoff," here, because that's clearly when the story shifted, and a lot of the previous heroes that carried movies are now gone. I'm not saying "Appearing in a solo movie and then a team-up" is bad. I'm saying it's bad in the context of where they are in the story, since Endgame was such a dramatic shift.

Tbh a $140 million dollar opening weekend being seen as a "flop" is a really good indication that these movies need to lower their budgets.

Looks like the checks started to clear

StealThisSheen posted...

They flopped in comparison to MCU, and against their own budget. Very few DC movies, even pre-pandemic, made anywhere near as much bank as MCU, vs. budget, and thus they can be considered "flops" in that manner, since MCU basically dictated what superhero movies COULD accomplish.

EDIT: The DC movies that are flopping now are flopping to the extent where they're literally struggling to break even, or even losing money. Which is much worse, yes, but even before the pandemic, DC movies were only doing "okay," which can be considered a "flop" for the genre.

Dude, a flop is something that lost money. None of those movies lost money, thus the DCEU wasn't flopping for a decade and continued making movies because they were making money. It has nothing to do with comparisons.

The DCEU is flopping now, as in losing money. Words have meanings.

HornyLevel posted...

Dude, a flop is something that lost money. None of those movies lost money, thus the DCEU wasn't flopping for a decade and continued making movies because they were making money. It has nothing to do with comparisons.

The DCEU is flopping now, as in losing money. Words have meanings.

"Flop" has long since also applied to movies that barely broke even, not just lost money. Whether a movie is a flop or not is dependent on expectations. The DC movies were expected to do much better than they did, thus, several of them were considered "flops."

EDIT: For example. WW84 technically didn't lose money, but it was still considered a flop. And it's why, now, anytime WW84's performance is talked about, the corporate tactic is to say "Well, it did well on streaming!"