Current Events > I'm out of the loop, is this Israel/Palestine situation genuinely 'both sides'?

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One of the rare instances where it really is both sides.

Poor civilians.

If you really want to know the truth about the current conflict between Israel and Hamas, youd have been better off reading Arab Israeli conflict for dummies than coming here.

It's not a "both sides" issue.

For decades now Israel has been brutalizing, killing, imprisoning and torturing Palestinians while systematically dispossessing them of their land and homes and denying their basic human rights.

As awful as Hamas' actions are, it takes a lot of willful ignorance to not even try and understand why people in those conditions resort to terrorism.

Most of the people who act like this is a "both sides" issue would be perfectly content if things could just go back to how they were before Oct. where the people of Gaza were dying a slow, miserable death out of sight and out of mind from the world's conscience.

At this point Israel has killed over 7 times the amount of people that Hamas did. Most being women and children. And they are just getting started. Sure, it is both sides, but the power dynamics are way in favor towards Israel. Imagine being able to cut your enemies basic services. Have a hundred times their armament and much better equipment. Also the military and financial backing of the US.

At this point, the humane thing to do would be to relocate all the refugees somewhere with all the money the US is throwing at Israel.

Are you under the impression that the way war works is by killing an equal amount of people and then calling it square?

Are you under the impression that the way war works is by killing an equal amount of people and then calling it square?

One side is pure evil. The other side is ten times worse. (In fairness, the evilness gap would likely be much smaller if both sides had similar capabilities instead of the worse side being far more wealthy and technologically advanced.)

both sides are scum and civillians are the victims.

It's not a "both sides" issue.

For decades now Israel has been brutalizing, killing, imprisoning and torturing Palestinians while systematically dispossessing them of their land and homes and denying their basic human rights.

As awful as Hamas' actions are, it takes a lot of willful ignorance to not even try and understand why people in those conditions resort to terrorism.

Most of the people who act like this is a "both sides" issue would be perfectly content if things could just go back to how they were before Oct. where the people of Gaza were dying a slow, miserable death out of sight and out of mind from the world's conscience.

It's not a "both sides" issue.

For decades now Israel has been brutalizing, killing, imprisoning and torturing Palestinians while systematically dispossessing them of their land and homes and denying their basic human rights.

As awful as Hamas' actions are, it takes a lot of willful ignorance to not even try and understand why people in those conditions resort to terrorism.

Most of the people who act like this is a "both sides" issue would be perfectly content if things could just go back to how they were before Oct. where the people of Gaza were dying a slow, miserable death out of sight and out of mind from the world's conscience.

It's not a "both sides" issue.

For decades now Israel has been brutalizing, killing, imprisoning and torturing Palestinians while systematically dispossessing them of their land and homes and denying their basic human rights.

As awful as Hamas' actions are, it takes a lot of willful ignorance to not even try and understand why people in those conditions resort to terrorism.

Most of the people who act like this is a "both sides" issue would be perfectly content if things could just go back to how they were before Oct. where the people of Gaza were dying a slow, miserable death out of sight and out of mind from the world's conscience.

Reminder that Israel counts every single Palestinian death as a "terrorist killed"

Well said. This conflict from how I understand it stems from when the Jewish people of started immigrating to the land the Palestinians are. The Palestinians welcomed them in. I don't know exactly when this all started to flip, but I can see why Hamas has rose because of the oppression Palestinians face. Israel is just going way to far.

Youve never heard of the White Paper have you?

I've heard more than once that if Hamas surrendered there would be peace in Israel and Palestine. Seeing as the West Bank is not Hamas affiliated and still has to deal with a lot of the same shit I'm skeptical of this, but at the same time it's insane to fight a war against someone you can't win against and it's diabolical to use millions of people as shields to fight said 'war.'

No. I don't know. You've peaked my interest.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_white_papers

The one you are looking for is the last one, in 1939. Kind of an important year for Jews and the world.

Israel and Zionists literally lack empathy. I could fill a whole topic with how their people, and even their government have the most disgusting ideologies towards not only Palestinians, but any non-Israeli.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Paper_of_1939

"Zionist groups in Palestine immediately rejected the White Paper and led a campaign of attacks on government property that lasted for several months."

That one?

Yes that one. The one that limited Jewish emigration to Palestine to just 75,000 in five years only months after Kristallnacht. The only that basically closed the door shut for the Jews of Europe to be condemned to whatever the Nazis had in store for them. (Dont get me wrong, I blame the US too) but I brought this up in response to a claim where Palestinians welcomed Jews in, and I wanted the facts to be set straight.

The irony of ironies is that had the Arabs been more welcoming in the 1930s, they would have been the saviors of the Jewish people, instead of spending decades perceived as an enemy. And since it happened in May 1939, which again was months after Kristallnacht of all things, its not like you can hide behind the idea that they didnt know what was going to happen. I would also add that context provides plenty of justification by Zionists to reject the white paper and fight back, as they knew what was coming if they didnt.

If youre going to claim Hamas is the result of years of oppression, then you have to at least give me that.

You're leaving out the context of decades of increased emigration to Palestine before then, driven by zionists. A sudden and large influx of people is difficult to support. Why is it the obligation of such a small country to take on the result of Europe's actions? Even so, some people in Palestine were willing:
"The proposal did not meet the political demands proposed by Arab representatives during the London Conference and was officially rejected by the representatives of Palestine Arab parties, who were acting under the influence of HajAmin Effendi al-Husseini, but the more moderate Arab opinion that was represented by the National Defence Party was prepared to accept the White Paper.[6]"

Meanwhile the US turned away Jewish immigrants even though the US has way more land and resources. Now the west just uses their vast resources to assist Israel in committing genocide.

Israel sucks.

Hamas sucks.

The Palestinian people suck less.

It's not a "both sides" issue.

For decades now Israel has been brutalizing, killing, imprisoning and torturing Palestinians while systematically dispossessing them of their land and homes and denying their basic human rights.

As awful as Hamas' actions are, it takes a lot of willful ignorance to not even try and understand why people in those conditions resort to terrorism.

Most of the people who act like this is a "both sides" issue would be perfectly content if things could just go back to how they were before Oct. where the people of Gaza were dying a slow, miserable death out of sight and out of mind from the world's conscience.

Hey you cant blame Zionists

This user's posts in a nutshell. Israel apologist, all you need to know.