Current Events > The sport where players actually deserve the best contracts is also the worst

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At them. NBA and MLB players act like fucking divas because they have fully guaranteed money, but NFL players go out and get crippled both mentally and physically to make pennies on the dollar. While the NFL rakes in just as much money for the owners.

America is so backwards sometimes.

Nobody deserves to make millions of dollars to play sports.

All revenue combined (That includes sponsors, NIL deals and anything else) should be capped at 1 million and all the surplus munny should be donated to poor, underprivileged, and disenfranchised folx in the communities surrounding those multi million dollar stadiums.

Flauros posted...

Nobody deserves to make millions of dollars to play sports.

All revenue combined (That includes sponsors, NIL deals and anything else) should be capped at 1 million and all the surplus munny should be donated to poor, underprivileged, and disenfranchised folx in the communities surrounding those multi million dollar stadiums.

Partially accurate but who do you think hoards all of that money? My Mariners increased their value by over $1 billion in team value and hoarded a quarter of a billion in profits in just the past 3 years. Both of those are exclusive to each other. That money didn't go to the fans or even to the players.

Maybe the NFL knows they can take advantage of their athletes bc they all have brain injuries?

chaos_knight posted...

At them. NBA and MLB players act like fucking divas because they have fully guaranteed money, but NFL players go out and get crippled both mentally and physically to make pennies on the dollar. While the NFL rakes in just as much money for the owners.

America is so backwards sometimes.

The reason that NFL contracts aren't fully guaranteed (besides the fact that the player union is kind of weak) is the same as the reason for why you would want them to be fully guaranteed though.

Tbh though I don't know how revenue split works in the leagues with non-salary caps. NHL is 50/50 revenue split for their hard cap which is better than NFL (48/52) but they're comparable.

Anteaterking posted...

The reason that NFL contracts aren't fully guaranteed (besides the fact that the player union is kind of weak) is the same as the reason for why you would want them to be fully guaranteed though.

Tbh though I don't know how revenue split works in the leagues with non-salary caps. NHL is 50/50 revenue split for their hard cap which is better than NFL (48/52) but they're comparable.

Honestly, salary caps don't matter. Garbage franchises will always be garbage franchises barring a miracle draft selection. Those teams are owned and operated by idiots that would still fail if given full opportunity to toss money at any and everyone. It's an artificial way to keep player salaries down.

Flauros posted...

Nobody deserves to make millions of dollars to play sports.

All revenue combined (That includes sponsors, NIL deals and anything else) should be capped at 1 million and all the surplus munny should be donated to poor, underprivileged, and disenfranchised folx in the communities surrounding those multi million dollar stadiums.

When you right-wing shitpost so hard you actually make a good argument lmfao

Anyone looking too closely at football would be hard pressed to agree it should be a sport at all.

lilORANG posted...

Maybe the NFL knows they can take advantage of their athletes bc they all have brain injuries?

Close. The reason the NFL doesnt have guaranteed salaries is because the window for making money in the league is so much smaller than the other leagues. They would rather take what they can get for what little time they have rather than take the risk and fight for guaranteed money.

Block_that_Kick posted...

Close. The reason the NFL doesnt have guaranteed salaries is because the window for making money in the league is so much smaller than the other leagues. They would rather take what they can get for what little time they have rather than take the risk and fight for guaranteed money.

Running backs...

Sigh.

Flauros posted...

Nobody deserves to make millions of dollars to play sports.

All revenue combined (That includes sponsors, NIL deals and anything else) should be capped at 1 million and all the surplus munny should be donated to poor, underprivileged, and disenfranchised folx in the communities surrounding those multi million dollar stadiums.

What other jobs do you think should have a capped salary? Why do people single out sports?

MICHALECOLE posted...

What other jobs do you think should have a capped salary? Why do people single out sports?

Jealousy

Flauros posted...

Nobody deserves to make millions of dollars to play sports.

I'd disagree, somewhat. "Professional athlete" is one of the careers most likely to result in injury, often multiple. And sports DO help local economies. So, yes, while I agree our current system is broken, in general... Within the current system, athletes do deserve high pay. The issue isn't that athletes are paid too much, it's that other careers are paid too little. And they're separate problems. You don't need to pay athletes less in order to pay other careers more. The problem is that, in other careers, there is usually somebody at the top making too much and not willing to cut into their own profits.

MICHALECOLE posted...

What other jobs do you think should have a capped salary? Why do people single out sports?

Not sure if its jealousy because pro athlete salaries stand out so much or ignorance of the whole process

Sports team owners are certainly not being generous when they give out those contracts

chaos_knight posted...

Honestly, salary caps don't matter. Garbage franchises will always be garbage franchises barring a miracle draft selection. It's an artificial way to keep player salaries down.

Salary caps are not inherently anti-worker. A near 100/0 revenue split for players divided 32 ways as a salary cap would be much closer to what you'd expect from a co-op type set up.

When e.g. Joe Burrow resets the QB market, he's not winning a battle against the owners. It's money that isn't going to other players. And that's true whether owners take half the revenue split or none of it.

I think most of us can agree on one thing though. Billionaires are assholes who pocket all the wealth and very few are willing to pay out to those who helped to get them that wealth. I respect those like Steve Cohen, even though the Mets are still a dumpster fire. That said though...

Eat the rich.

chaos_knight posted...

America is so backwards sometimes.

Don't blame America for the players' inability to form a stronger union.

Flauros posted...

Nobody deserves to make millions of dollars to play sports.

These sports generate hundreds of millions in revenue. Someone's getting that money. I'd personally rather the players get the lion's share over the owners, but you're entitled to disagree.

Last NFL strike proved that fans will still watch the games and spend money. That's why the players have no power, on top of a complete shit NFLPA leadership.

StealThisSheen posted...

I'd disagree, somewhat. "Professional athlete" is one of the careers most likely to result in injury, often multiple. And sports DO help local economies. So, yes, while I agree our current system is broken, in general... Within the current system, athletes do deserve high pay. The issue isn't that athletes are paid too much, it's that other careers are paid too little. And they're separate problems. You don't need to pay athletes less in order to pay other careers more. The problem is that, in other careers, there is usually somebody at the top making too much and not willing to cut into their own profits.

Not to mention there's a much stronger correlation between athlete salaries and their observable, quantifiable performance compared to other fields where compensation is based on politics and exploitation. You don't really see athletes failing upward at the level that executives can, for instance.

chaos_knight posted...

Last NFL strike proved that fans will still watch the games and spend money. That's why the players have no power, on top of a complete shit NFLPA leadership.

The players have no power because compared to other sports, the rosters are much larger - meaning there are more players - and careers are much shorter - meaning each individual player's window to make money that's got to last them the rest of their life is small. So you've got too many people wanting to get theirs while they can.

The average length of a player's NFL career is 3.3 years. So asking them to strike for a year, to give up a third of their career earnings, is a tall ask. And you're asking them to do so for the players who will be drafted/signed to replace them on the roster sooner than later.

And on top of that, the NFL doesn't have the minor and European/Asian leagues that the NBA, NHL, and MLB have. So that 3.3 year window in the NFL is all most of them they're going to get.

myusernameislame posted...

Not to mention there's a much stronger correlation between athlete salaries and their observable, quantifiable performance compared to other fields where compensation is based on politics and exploitation. You don't really see athletes failing upward at the level that executives can, for instance.

Precisely. Athletes earn their pay, in almost the purest form. If you want to be paid better, you need to put in the work and literally get better, with very few exceptions.

System players can be problematic when theyre not based on enhancing the team (like Steve Nash)

Flauros posted...

Nobody deserves to make millions of dollars to play sports.

All revenue combined (That includes sponsors, NIL deals and anything else) should be capped at 1 million and all the surplus munny should be donated to poor, underprivileged, and disenfranchised folx in the communities surrounding those multi million dollar stadiums.

The simple fact is, they have a product that people pay around 20 billion annually to view. So you've got two paths here, either the players get paid or the owners get paid.

I personally think players should get a 60/40 split, especially when owners refuse to build their own stadiums outright, despite reaping all the rewards from that stadium.

If you get rid of the salary cap then they can get guaranteed money. But if they sign a contract for 5 years and come down with a case of got paid sickness (see Ezekiel Elliott), they become a liability on the cap.

Also,

chaos_knight posted...

Running backs...

Sigh.

divot1338 posted...

System players can be problematic when theyre not based on enhancing the team (like Steve Nash) otherwise you end up having to constantly slash players because they dont fit (Harden)

Just to be clear, you're using Steve Nash as an example of a GOOD system player, right? Because, otherwise, I would have to fight you so hard.

MICHALECOLE posted...

Why do people single out sports?

because it's something anybody could do
I could be the quarterback of the Vikings if I wanted to be

It's actually...ironic doesn't seem like the best term for it, but DeShaun Watson's fully guaranteed contract being an absolute disaster is going to hurt the NFLPA's leverage in the next CBA for guaranteed contracts and it could have been totally avoided if they hadn't tried to leverage all of their resources to get his suspension lessened.

StealThisSheen posted...

Just to be clear, you're using Steve Nash as an example of a GOOD system player, right? Because, otherwise, I would have to fight you so hard.

Yeah that was a weird double negative.

Statistically any player could be standing right on there ideal shooting spot with the ball and theyd be more likely to make it if they tossed it to Steve who threw it right back.

Guy was a maniac.

Anony1125 posted...

because it's something anybody could do
I could be the quarterback of the Vikings if I wanted to be

Yeah but what about a real sports team?

divot1338 posted...

Yeah that was a weird double negative.

Statistically any player could be standing right on there ideal shooting spot with the ball and theyd be more likely to make it if they tossed it to Steve who threw it right back.

Guy was a maniac.

Alright, good. I loved Steve Nash, for that specific reason. Possibly the most selfless person in basketball, yet he always contributed.

Anony1125 posted...

because it's something anybody could do
I could be the quarterback of the Vikings if I wanted to be

Go tear your Achilles or get brain damage then. Also throw a football first.

StealThisSheen posted...

Alright, good. I loved Steve Nash, for that specific reason. Possibly the most selfless person in basketball, yet he always contributed.

My favorite move of his is where hed just dribble in a circle under the basket until the forwards and center were all snarled up then just kick it out to the guard while going to camp out at the free throw line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez7G2liHBag

Never forget
https://youtu.be/z5f6GxvHr9g?si=1SeayQaYZPpInspG

Anteaterking posted...

It's actually...ironic doesn't seem like the best term for it, but DeShaun Watson's fully guaranteed contract being an absolute disaster is going to hurt the NFLPA's leverage in the next CBA for guaranteed contracts and it could have been totally avoided if they hadn't tried to leverage all of their resources to get his suspension lessened.

Cousins has had fully guaranteed contracts his entire career.

NFL tickets are like $400. Superbowl $8K. How are they the lowest paid?

Fans make all this possible by purchasing those highass tickets then food and drink that's marked up 1000% to watch a bunch of grown men play games that school kids play for free.

divot1338 posted...

Never forget
https://youtu.be/z5f6GxvHr9g?si=1SeayQaYZPpInspG

All joking aside, and one of the things I appreciated about him was how happy he was to joke at his own expense... Yes, he was a tough son of a bitch.

LeoRavus posted...

NFL tickets are like $400. Superbowl $8K. How are they the lowest paid?

Fans make all this possible by purchasing those highass tickets then food and drink that's marked up 1000% to watch a bunch of grown men play games that school kids play for free.

Because there is 53 players to a team

And they only play 17 games a season

That post wasn't even worth responding to, for so many reasons.

Forty_Niners posted...

Cousins has had fully guaranteed contracts his entire career.

Rookie contract isn't guaranteed and his fully guaranteed contracts have mostly been 1-3 year extensions (which is also what the franchise tag falls under). And he's also shown a level of durability (well until this year =( ) that he's earned it.

That's much different than a 5 year fully guaranteed contract for Watson. NFLPA doesn't want everyone on 1-2 year fully guaranteed contracts either.

Anony1125 posted...

because it's something anybody could do
I could be the quarterback of the Vikings if I wanted to be

If you think you can do a better job than Josh Dobbs I encourage you to call up Kevin OConnell and ask for a tryout.

Block_that_Kick posted...

If you think you can do a better job than Josh Dobbs I encourage you to call up Kevin OConnell and ask for a tryout.

Can you do this? Say a Saiyan came to earth and wanted to show his skills. How do you get an NFL tryout?