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rags_alt
11/15/23 1:53:43 AM
#201:


Unknown5uspect posted...
"Their bloodlust is wrong but mine is just." The Topic
I suspect that's a side effect of treating any and every bit of news or other information like it happens or exists primarily for one's own personal commentary and/or as a platform to argue with other people.
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Rika_Furude
11/15/23 3:12:42 AM
#203:


KI_Simpson posted...
The crime happened in the US, obviously the discussion over whether it was first degree murder would be based on US laws.
The discussion is about what should happen, not what did happen
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CADE_FOSTER
11/15/23 3:51:57 AM
#204:


Brutal-Truth posted...
https://www.fox5vegas.com/2023/11/15/las-vegas-police-arrest-8-suspects-murder-teens-beating-death/

8 teens between 13-17 years old have been arrested. They arrested working on charging them as adults.
Good
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KI_Simpson
11/15/23 4:43:27 AM
#205:


Rika_Furude posted...
The discussion is about what should happen, not what did happen
No, the discussion was about whether what happened was premeditated murder, and you made an absurd claim for the area where the murder happened (that impulsively killing someone after making a decision two seconds earlier was premeditated). I'd actually like an example of a country that calls that premeditated murder.

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Rika_Furude
11/15/23 6:20:56 AM
#206:


KI_Simpson posted...
you made an absurd claim
wrong. any decision to kill is premeditated. how many hours of planning, how many pages of written plans do you think are required for it to be premeditated? is it only premeditated if someone said to their mate 4 hours ago "i'm gonna run over the next bike rider I see?" what if it was only 2 minutes ago they said that? what if they didnt say it and only thought it? you are being outrageous
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KI_Simpson
11/15/23 7:06:22 AM
#207:


Rika_Furude posted...
wrong. any decision to kill is premeditated. how many hours of planning, how many pages of written plans do you think are required for it to be premeditated? is it only premeditated if someone said to their mate 4 hours ago "i'm gonna run over the next bike rider I see?" what if it was only 2 minutes ago they said that? what if they didnt say it and only thought it? you are being outrageous
You're going an an unhinged rant against the concept of premeditated murder, what the hell are you even trying to prove? That you know better than everyone professionally involved in this (you neglected to name a country's legal system that claims all murder is premeditated, which is making me doubt this is actually a cultural difference, but even if there is they wouldn't be rabidly lashing out at the concept of a country not changing it on the spot to appease them) and everyone should just tell you you're right?

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Rika_Furude
11/15/23 7:14:36 AM
#208:


KI_Simpson posted...
what the hell are you even trying to prove?
that choosing to beat someone to death is murder. theres still no convincing evidence to the contrary
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KI_Simpson
11/15/23 7:16:40 AM
#209:


Rika_Furude posted...
that choosing to beat someone to death is murder. theres still no convincing evidence to the contrary
So you aren't trying to prove anything except that you can't read, since you are fucking pretending that saying something was second degree murder is somehow denying that it was murder.

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CyricZ
11/15/23 8:37:11 AM
#210:


Revelation34 posted...
How is that personally offensive to you?
THAT'S your question? I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

It's generally considered offensive to common decency and societal norms to suggest people who are related to criminals deserve to die. Do you need me to go into further detail with regard to collective punishment?

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spikethedevil
11/16/23 4:30:23 AM
#211:


I always fine the degrees of murder interesting as over here its just murder or manslaughter.

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majin_nemesis
11/16/23 4:35:32 AM
#212:


LeoRavus posted...
If certain factors were different this would be called a lynching.
what factors have to be different? this is definitely lynching
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spikethedevil
11/16/23 4:43:57 AM
#213:


majin_nemesis posted...
what factors have to be different? this is definitely lynching

Manslaughter is covers things like accidental murder or causing someones death by your own stupidity or negligence.

This would be murder.

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Sufferedphoenix
11/16/23 6:39:41 AM
#214:


spikethedevil posted...
Manslaughter is covers things like accidental murder or causing someones death by your own stupidity or negligence.

This would be murder.

Maybe 2nd degree if not planned. Which I doubt it was.

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majin_nemesis
11/16/23 6:50:32 AM
#215:


spikethedevil posted...
Manslaughter is covers things like accidental murder or causing someones death by your own stupidity or negligence.

This would be murder.
this is 15 people killing a person, it's not very different from lynching

Sufferedphoenix posted...
Maybe 2nd degree if not planned. Which I doubt it was.
15 guys beating a person up, they definitely weren't planning to kill him,it's like in some cases when a person stabs the others and the person dies and then the guy goes "i wasn't trying to kill him" like you just stabbed him what the heck do you think it was going to happen?
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Sufferedphoenix
11/16/23 6:52:47 AM
#216:


majin_nemesis posted...
this is 15 people killing a person, it's not very different from lynching

15 guys beating a person up, they definitely weren't planning to kill him,it's like in some cases when a person stabs the others and the person dies and then the guy goes "i wasn't trying to kill him" like you just stabbed him what the heck do you think it was going to happen?

A lot of stuff like this isn't intentional. It's not a defense for them. But it's why I was told if get jumped by like 3 or more people I can go straight to lethal self defense cause when it's a group on one person the victim dying from injuries is more common than you'd think.

Nobody thinks about how easy it can be to kill without weapons

To make it clear I am not defending them. I can give a fuck less if they get first degree murder.

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FurryPhilosifer
11/16/23 8:16:38 AM
#217:


Gross. Killing people is bad.

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Revelation34
11/16/23 9:28:22 AM
#218:


CyricZ posted...

THAT'S your question? I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

It's generally considered offensive to common decency and societal norms to suggest people who are related to criminals deserve to die. Do you need me to go into further detail with regard to collective punishment?


It's a stupid comment but in no way should you PERSONALLY find it offensive.

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CyricZ
11/16/23 9:29:34 AM
#219:


Revelation34 posted...
It's a stupid comment but in no way should you PERSONALLY find it offensive.
You don't get to decide what I find offensive.

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