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Necronmon
11/15/23 12:50:44 AM
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Demilitarize Israel and station a neutral third party peacekeeping force in Israel and Palestine.

So you want to just go back to it being a colonized nation and say that decolonization was a failure? Not sure that will go over well.
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Ronaldo
11/15/23 12:59:33 AM
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Trumble posted...
Demilitarize Israel and station a neutral third party peacekeeping force in Israel and Palestine.
Israel is surrounded by countries that fund terrorists, publicly claim they want it destroyed and have attempted multiple times in the past.
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TheJustice
11/15/23 1:01:27 AM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Its amazing what kind of person it takes to dismiss the notion of stop indiscriminately killing civilians so nonchalantly

Wrong noun.

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Dark_Arbron
11/15/23 1:02:51 AM
#104:


Ronaldo posted...
Israel is surrounded by countries that fund terrorists, publicly claim they want it destroyed and have attempted multiple times in the past.

Military for defensive purposes only then?

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TheJustice
11/15/23 1:03:44 AM
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...
More specifically, what practical action should be taken to ensure October 7 does not happen again?
All Im hearing is people demanding that Israel stop winning this war, which is pretty much the same as allowing Hamas to recuperate, rearm and recruit more combatants. I mean I dont remember anyone here even considering how they would get Hamas to surrender, even though that would be the fastest way to end this conflict and prevent more deaths. And stop using that word indiscriminate because its stupid and untrue. Everybody knows Israel has the firepower and air capability to level the entire area into rubble, thus suffering no casualties of their own, but that would be indiscriminate and cause maximum civilian casualties so they dont do it.

This. Is. Not. A. War! It is one-sided genocide.

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TheJustice
11/15/23 1:07:05 AM
#106:


Ronaldo posted...
Israel is surrounded by countries that fund terrorists, publicly claim they want it destroyed and have attempted multiple times in the past.


TheJustice posted...
That's like saying I need a tank for self-defense after I willingly air-dropped myself into the Australian Outback. They need a homeland for self-defense that just so happens to be pincered between every race and creed that despises them including one in their direct line of sight that they are now trying to steal land from. Maybe they didn't pick the best spot?

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Necronmon
11/15/23 1:07:55 AM
#107:


This. Is. Not. A. War! It is one-sided genocide.

Forget all the ones they killed in the invasion after only a month? Its NOT one sided.
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TheJustice
11/15/23 1:10:17 AM
#108:


Necronmon posted...
Forget all the ones they killed in the invasion after only a month? Its NOT one sided.

That's like saying 9/11 was a war. George W Douche may have started the War on Terror but it wasn't actually a war.

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Ronaldo
11/15/23 1:11:52 AM
#109:


Dark_Arbron posted...
Military for defensive purposes only then?

You might be on to something. What if they are called the Israel Defense Forces?

Kidding of course, I know what you mean but Israeli leadership does this great trick where they say all actions taken by IDF are to "protect Israel and its independence and ensure the security of its residents".
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Necronmon
11/15/23 1:15:58 AM
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That's like saying 9/11 was a war. George W Douche may have started the War on Terror but it wasn't actually a war.

I mean when you kill that many pepole that was a act of war...Bush was just a idiot and brought the war to Iraq instead of not cleaning house were it needed to be cleaned, the Taliban deserved to be wiped out for there part in 9 11, if we just focused on them and not diverted pressure on Iraq at the same time maybe the nation would not have reverted back to there control.

America Nuked Japan for Pearl Harbor, not saying that Israel has done no wrong, it really should have been more focused in its attacks. But still...anyone that thinks if your nation loses over a thousand and they are just going to be ok with the nation that did that to them and not do everything to destroy who hurt them...they are delusional about human nature. We spent more then a decade hunting Bin Ladin cause we were never going to forgive him for what he did...Israel hates Hamas just as much if not more at the moment.

That being said...Israel is morons for attacking Gaza when the true leaders are not even in the damn country. Netanyahu is just like Bush, going after the wrong targets to make himself look good while the real ones that did the damage are not even in the area just so he can look tough, and drag everyone down as a result.
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IceCreamOnStero
11/15/23 5:45:06 AM
#111:


Lorenzo_2003 posted...
More specifically, what practical action should be taken to ensure October 7 does not happen again?

All of the things I mentioned would further stopping Hamas because Israel comitting atrocities is exactly what emboldens Hamas' propaganda. Gazans see Palestinians in West Bank (where they're doing the "peaceful cooperation" thing) be abused and humiliated by the occupation, while they see their houses, friends and family bombed in Gaza. They are pushed into a corner all their lives and then Israel complains when they lash out instead of dying quietly. That's not how humans work, you don't oppress people into docility.

All Im hearing is people demanding that Israel stop winning this war, which is pretty much the same as allowing Hamas to recuperate, rearm and recruit more combatants. I mean I dont remember anyone here even considering how they would get Hamas to surrender, even though that would be the fastest way to end this conflict and prevent more deaths.

Hamas aren't a standing military, you don't get them to "surrender". They're an extremist terrorist group. They live and die by propaganda and every Israeli killed, not their own numbers or military targets.

And stop using that word indiscriminate because its stupid and untrue. Everybody knows Israel has the firepower and air capability to level the entire area into rubble, thus suffering no casualties of their own, but that would be indiscriminate and cause maximum civilian casualties so they dont do it.

I'll stop saying they indiscriminately bomb Gaza when they stopnindiscriminately bombing Gaza.


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FlyEaglesFly24
11/15/23 7:07:59 AM
#112:


Trumble posted...
Demilitarize Israel and station a neutral third party peacekeeping force in Israel and Palestine.

Yeah no. Unless you plan on demilitarizing every other country in the region, that aint going to happen.

1.You have no exit strategy.

2. Putting 100k troops in a country that isnt yours is an occupation. If Israel isnt allowed to do it, then why should anyone else?

3.The UN is run by five countries that are split down the middle politically. US, Britain, France, China, and Russia. You expect them to suddenly just play ball politically over this issue? At the expense of taking away self defense rights for a particular group - because I notice theres no call for Hamas and Hezbollah to disarm at the same time.

Yeah no. Its not going to happen. Its a bad idea, and even suggesting it on a political level will only make the conflict worse.

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TheJustice
11/15/23 4:44:51 PM
#113:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...


Yeah no. Unless you plan on demilitarizing every other country in the region, that aint going to happen.

1.You have no exit strategy.

2. Putting 100k troops in a country that isnt yours is an occupation. If Israel isnt allowed to do it, then why should anyone else?

3.The UN is run by five countries that are split down the middle politically. US, Britain, France, China, and Russia. You expect them to suddenly just play ball politically over this issue? At the expense of taking away self defense rights for a particular group - because I notice theres no call for Hamas and Hezbollah to disarm at the same time.

Yeah no. Its not going to happen. Its a bad idea, and even suggesting it on a political level will only make the conflict worse.

I think he means have a Japan-like situation, but more extreme. No weapons whatsoever in the hands of Israel or Palestine. American troops stationed in the country as peacekeepers. That would be the best and least bloody way of ensuring peace between the two.

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Doe
11/15/23 4:46:48 PM
#114:


How come any time I respond to someone in one of these Israel threads, they fly the coop? Happened twice just ITT

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Trumble
11/15/23 4:57:00 PM
#115:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
because I notice theres no call for Hamas and Hezbollah to disarm at the same time.
Do you really think getting rid of Hamas wouldn't be one of the first tasks for said force?

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FlyEaglesFly24
11/15/23 11:27:25 PM
#116:


Trumble posted...
Do you really think getting rid of Hamas wouldn't be one of the first tasks for said force?

Good luck with that. Its not just Hamas. Its Hezbollah. It Basher Al Assad and Syria. Its Islamic Jihad. Its Yemen. Its Iran. You gonna demilitarize the entire Middle East?

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sfcalimari
11/15/23 11:39:41 PM
#117:


JacobyCrane posted...
No two events will ever produce an oranges to oranges comparison but find me a better comparison to what's happening in Gaza than the Imperialist and sectarian occupation of Northern Ireland by the British?

Because Northern Ireland has been 100% a part of the United Kingdom for centuries. Northern Ireland did not invade England and commit a pogrom that led to England invading Northern Ireland in the late 20th century. I could go on but you clearly don't know anything about the Troubles.
JacobyCrane posted...
And while you're at it, ask yourself why you felt the need to dismiss Israel killing 11,000 people in less than 40 days.

Hamas invaded Israel and committed a pogrom where they killed 1800 civilians in less than 24 hours but everyone seems to have forgotten that.

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sfcalimari
11/15/23 11:47:08 PM
#118:


ModernPost posted...
Why are they incomparable? The OP drew a direct comparison between the two in plain English.

Because it's a ridiculous comparison. A better comparison to the Troubles would be the plight of the 20% of Israeli citizens who are Arabs.

And if you want to look at British cruelty in Ireland, the Irish famine and the hundreds of years of violent Irish history leading up to Irish independence would be way more apt.

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Foppe
11/16/23 5:43:32 AM
#119:


sfcalimari posted...
Hamas invaded Israel and committed a pogrom where they killed 1800 civilians in less than 24 hours but everyone seems to have forgotten that.
1200.

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JacobyCrane
11/16/23 7:00:28 AM
#120:


sfcalimari posted...
Because Northern Ireland has been 100% a part of the United Kingdom for centuries. Northern Ireland did not invade England and commit a pogrom that led to England invading Northern Ireland in the late 20th century. I could go on but you clearly don't know anything about the Troubles.

Hamas invaded Israel and committed a pogrom where they killed 1800 civilians in less than 24 hours but everyone seems to have forgotten that.


No two situation will ever be an oranges to oranges comparison but find me a better one. Even still, why do you feel the need to excuse Israel killing over 11,000 people in less than 40 days?

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hockeybub89
11/16/23 7:30:17 AM
#121:


JacobyCrane posted...
No two situation will ever be an oranges to oranges comparison but find me a better one. Even still, why do you feel the need to excuse Israel killing over 11,000 people in less than 40 days?
Because Israel shills are just going to shriek "THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. WARS HAVE COLLATERAL DAMAGE" until they pass out.

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sfcalimari
11/16/23 9:01:22 PM
#122:


JacobyCrane posted...
No two situation will ever be an oranges to oranges comparison but find me a better one.

I just did but guess you can't read. The oppression of Arabs in Israel (not the West Bank or Gaza) is more like modern Northern Ireland, and the Irish Famine is a lot more like what Israel has been doing in Gaza and the West Bank for the last 20-30 years. Ireland's population was 8.5 million before the famine and it never recovered, today it is about 5 million.

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1337toothbrush
11/16/23 9:46:24 PM
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Disgusting seeing people here supporting genocide and the mass killing of children.

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FlyEaglesFly24
11/16/23 10:34:38 PM
#124:


1337toothbrush posted...
Disgusting seeing people here supporting genocide and the mass killing of children.

You know whats disgusting. Drawing a line in the sand firmly on one side of this conflict to the point where youve literally tried to turn the victims of a terror attack into bad guy, and then just waste your time on social media calling everyone who isnt lock step with you on it a genocide supporter and someone who hates kids. Taking the nuance completely out of it all together.

Because the other side does have people who support said terrorists, and while those people have been condemned, that condemnation has been completely drowned out as far as this board is concerned with the constant Israel bashing.

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Fenriswolf
11/16/23 10:48:29 PM
#125:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
You know whats disgusting. Drawing a line in the sand firmly on one side of this conflict to the point where youve literally tried to turn the victims of a terror attack into bad guy, and then just waste your time on social media calling everyone who isnt lock step with you on it a genocide supporter and someone who hates kids. Taking the nuance completely out of it all together.

Because the other side does have people who support said terrorists, and while those people have been condemned, that condemnation has been completely drowned out as far as this board is concerned with the constant Israel bashing.

You aren't fooling anyone. You're the only one here putting words into people's mouths by claiming that any criticisms of Israel's far right government equates to supporting Hamas. You remind me of the GWB era nationalists claiming "you're either with us or with the terrorists".

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hockeybub89
11/16/23 10:50:45 PM
#126:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
You know whats disgusting. Drawing a line in the sand firmly on one side of this conflict to the point where youve literally tried to turn the victims of a terror attack into bad guy, and then just waste your time on social media calling everyone who isnt lock step with you on it a genocide supporter and someone who hates kids. Taking the nuance completely out of it all together.

Because the other side does have people who support said terrorists, and while those people have been condemned, that condemnation has been completely drowned out as far as this board is concerned with the constant Israel bashing.
Fuck Israel. They are a legitimate government of a recognized country, and they suck as bad as a terror group.

Nuance in this conflict means recognizing both sides are evil and unjustified and should only be given assistance as far as preventing them from hurting more innocent people.

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legendary_zell
11/16/23 11:16:32 PM
#127:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
You know whats disgusting. Drawing a line in the sand firmly on one side of this conflict to the point where youve literally tried to turn the victims of a terror attack into bad guy, and then just waste your time on social media calling everyone who isnt lock step with you on it a genocide supporter and someone who hates kids. Taking the nuance completely out of it all together.

Because the other side does have people who support said terrorists, and while those people have been condemned, that condemnation has been completely drowned out as far as this board is concerned with the constant Israel bashing.


You're calling others out for allegedly calling you a supporter of genocide, meanwhile you call others supporters of terrorists based on nothing. I've said it before and I'll say it again, no one here supports Hamas. No one has posted anything in favor of Hamas.

Lots of people, including you have posted things that in effect give Israel a blank check to commit genocide or at least ethnic cleansing. The apparently policy of the state of Israel is to push North Gazans into the South, then the South Gazans....somewhere else and to never let any of them return, then take the land for settlement. Why shouldn't that be bashed? Why doesn't doing that make a country a bad guy (certainly not the only bad guy when Hamas is involved)? As an active ethnic cleansing is being carried out by a powerful sovereign nation against a captive population, you want us to spend our time continuing to condemn a terrorist group we all condemn instead of the military and government carrying out the cleansing?

Being the victim of a heinous terrorist attack does not entitle you to do even worse to innocents you were already oppressing, kill kids you were already slowly starving, ethnically cleanse an area, force a whole population you were already imprisoning to become permanent refugees, and settle an area after leveling it. You are never going to get people to agree that's okay.

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