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cousinvini
02/02/24 10:22:37 AM
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i thought them fuckers were actually called "nazis"

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alfred_ashford
02/02/24 10:29:05 AM
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Theres more informed ppl than me but my guess is including the race further helps divide us so we do not realize we are on the same team

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mario2000
02/02/24 10:32:50 AM
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um ummm achshully they aren't nazis if they weren't part of the german army in the 1940's

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ROBANN_88
02/02/24 10:33:03 AM
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i'm making a guess that White Nationalists go hand in hand, but might not always be the same.
like maybe there's different types of White Nationalism, and not all of them are the same type.

or it's just a word that they're not comfortable using

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ScazarMeltex
02/02/24 10:36:30 AM
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It because it's what they call themselves.
American Journalism has forgotten that their job isn't if one person says it's raining and another says it's not to report both versions. It's to look out the window and see if it's raining and report that the person making the incorrect claim is a liar.

So when they report on people who call themselves white nationalists they should absolutely be clarifying it with "who are essentially just repackaged Nazis".

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ai123
02/02/24 10:36:58 AM
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alfred_ashford posted...
Theres more informed ppl than me but my guess is including the race further helps divide us so we do not realize we are on the same team
Who would be on the same team as those described as 'white nationalists'?

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Rotterdammerung
02/02/24 10:38:23 AM
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alfred_ashford posted...
Theres more informed ppl than me but my guess is including the race further helps divide us so we do not realize we are on the same team
Would you consider yourself on the same team as white nationalists?

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Hornezz
02/02/24 10:39:57 AM
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Because alt-right was considered the go-to dogwhistle term until Charlottesville publicly showed that, hey guess what: it was nazis all along. Before that it was still treated with plausible deniability (at least, to those who weren't paying attention). I even remember some users here openly identifying as such.

This is just another rebrand.

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Nok_Su_Kow
02/02/24 10:44:19 AM
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It's because the word Nazi has been overused to describe everything horrible under the sun and white nationalist is a specific term to describe "white people and fuck everyone else" that can't be twisted around. Furthermore Nazis were into genocide while white nationalists want to make everyone's life a living hell to the point that they leave the neighborhood or country. That's MAGA.
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Damn_Underscore
02/02/24 10:55:29 AM
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Nazis are a specific group of people. Neo Nazis are also a specific group of people that admire the original Nazis and dress like them, etc. They would probably agree with these white nationalists but it wouldnt be accurate to just call everyone involved a Neo Nazi. Calling them MAGAs or Trump Supporters wouldnt be accurate either because the group you are talking about goes beyond Trump.

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Tenlaar
02/02/24 11:17:41 AM
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This isnt complicated, Nazi means a specific ideology that has overlap with general White nationalism but they are not the same thing. Its the all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares thing.
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reincarnator07
02/02/24 11:46:15 AM
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White nationalism is only a part of Nazism. All Nazis are white nationalists, but not all white nationalists are Nazis.

They're all scum though.

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alfred_ashford
02/02/24 3:59:46 PM
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alfred_ashford posted...
Theres more informed ppl than me but my guess is including the race further helps divide us so we do not realize we are on the same team

Omfg everyone is misinterpreting my comment. Im not saying im on the same team as fucking white nationalists. Im saying the general population. The people who want a better, equal world. But they say "white nationalists" instead of nazis, neonazis, domestic terrorists etc etc to divide the population. Just like when a crime happens, stereotypically if it is a black perpetrator then they show a picture of them as opposed to a white perpetrator.

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02/02/24 4:01:40 PM
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alfred_ashford
02/02/24 4:05:55 PM
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Literally no reason for you tocact this way. Wtf

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GrandConjuraton
02/02/24 4:08:12 PM
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mario2000 posted...
um ummm achshully they aren't nazis if they weren't part of the german army in the 1940's


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FortuneCookie
02/02/24 4:16:43 PM
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It fits because they want America to be a white nation.

Also, I feel like calling them Nazis would be honoring them. At best, they should be called neo nazis (lower case "n") for emphasis that they are not a recognized army of fascists, but a bunch of unorganized racist shitheads with pipedreams of superiority.
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alfred_ashford
02/02/24 4:20:08 PM
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Im not sayin they do. Im saying that highlighting race in certain situations helps racial tensions grow. If racial tensions and other things, ie red vs blue ties, are strong enough to divide us then we will continue to allow the rich and the powerful to keep doing what they are doing. A house divided against itself cannot stand. Good people are the house. We are divided. We cannot stand. We are divided.

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EPR-radar
02/02/24 4:23:14 PM
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alfred_ashford posted...
Im not sayin they do. Im saying that highlighting race in certain situations helps racial tensions grow. If racial tensions and other things, ie red vs blue ties, are strong enough to divide us then we will continue to allow the rich and the powerful to keep doing what they are doing. A house divided against itself cannot stand. Good people are the house. We are divided. We cannot stand. We are divided.
Quit while you're behind.

This reads like you think civilized people should make common cause with white nationalists vs. the rich.

That's not an option because making common cause with white nationalists is unacceptable, and, anyway, white nationalists are already tools of the ultra wealthy.
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alfred_ashford
02/02/24 4:23:57 PM
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EPR-radar posted...
Quit while you're behind.

This reads like you think civilized people should make common cause with white nationalists vs. the rich.

That's not an option because making common cause with white nationalists is unacceptable, and, anyway, white nationalists are already tools of the ultra wealthy.

How tf does that even remotely sound like i want that? Fuck it. Thanks. Have a good day. Trump 2024 apparently.

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alfred_ashford
02/02/24 4:28:25 PM
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Apparently racism according to everyone else. Even when i explicitly state NOPE NOT WHAT IM SAYING

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ai123
02/02/24 4:41:00 PM
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alfred_ashford posted...
Omfg everyone is misinterpreting my comment. Im not saying im on the same team as fucking white nationalists. Im saying the general population. The people who want a better, equal world. But they say "white nationalists" instead of nazis, neonazis, domestic terrorists etc etc to divide the population. Just like when a crime happens, stereotypically if it is a black perpetrator then they show a picture of them as opposed to a white perpetrator.
They are not called that because they are nationalists who happen to be white, but because they wish to establish a nation state of white Christians.

They are the ones who want to 'divide the population'. In a real physical sense.


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Nok_Su_Kow
02/02/24 4:46:22 PM
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alfred_ashford posted...
Im saying that highlighting race in certain situations helps racial tensions grow.

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NoxObscuras
02/02/24 4:53:44 PM
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As the Anti-Defamation League put it, white nationalist is "a new name for this old hatred." They believe in the same racial superiority that the Nazis did. They just self identified themselves with a new label.

To me, so long as the general public is clear on who and what they are, what they choose to call themselves is moot.

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reincarnator07
02/02/24 4:59:10 PM
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NoxObscuras posted...
As the Anti-Defamation League put it, white nationalist is "a new name for this old hatred." They believe in the same racial superiority that the Nazis did. They just self identified themselves with a new label.

To me, so long as the general public is clear on who and what they are, what they choose to call themselves is moot.
100% this. Even the most ignorant of the public know that Nazis are bad, so they've had to rebrand to something that doesn't cause instant disgust. It's a dogwhistle, nothing else

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Error1355
02/02/24 5:03:43 PM
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Nok_Su_Kow posted...
Furthermore Nazis were into genocide while white nationalists want to make everyone's life a living hell to the point that they leave the neighborhood or country. That's MAGA.

I feel you haven't been paying attention if you don't think some of these people are genocidal too.

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nocturnal_traveler
02/02/24 5:06:05 PM
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White nationalist may be a term they gave themselves, but for once it makes sense. It makes a great catch-all term for Nazis, KKK, skinheads, Proud Boys, MAGA, Qanon, and other types of racists and xenophobes that might fall in a separate category than the ones mentioned.

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Kradek
02/02/24 5:08:28 PM
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White supremacist Christo-fascists is most accurate.

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nocturnal_traveler
02/02/24 5:11:20 PM
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Kradek posted...
White supremacist Christo-fascists is most accurate.
Yeah, but it doesn't quite roll off the tongue, and is too wordy for their smooth brains.

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MrToothHasYou
02/02/24 5:38:34 PM
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Error1355 posted...
I feel you haven't been paying attention if you don't think some of these people are genocidal too.

Yeah, I feel like we dont want genocide, just a good old fashioned ethnic cleansing! isnt really the best argument for differentiating yourself from Nazis. Especially given that the original Nazis started off by saying the exact same thingthey only turned to the Final Solition of systematic mass killing after they realized that expelling that many people from Europe would not be logistically feasible.

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Kradek
02/02/24 5:49:02 PM
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nocturnal_traveler posted...
Yeah, but it doesn't quite roll off the tongue, and is too wordy for their smooth brains.

True, however I do feel like simplification of information/terms can provide cover that over time is designed to obfuscate key details.

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NoxObscuras
02/02/24 5:51:33 PM
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MrToothHasYou posted...
Yeah, I feel like we dont want genocide, just a good old fashioned ethnic cleansing! isnt really the best argument for differentiating yourself from Nazis. Especially given that the original Nazis started off by saying the exact same thingthey only turned to the Final Solition of systematic mass killing after they realized that expelling that many people from Europe would not be logistically feasible.
Yep and that's the scary part. So many people online talk about how we need to "deport all immigrants" or "send all African Americans back to Africa." And then there was that nutjob a few days ago that beheaded his own father and posted it as a "call to arms for american patriots." We need to nip them in the bud before they start gravitating towards, "mass murder would be faster"

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Nok_Su_Kow
02/02/24 5:59:44 PM
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Error1355 posted...
I feel you haven't been paying attention if you don't think some of these people are genocidal too.

Ok, I'll revise that. They have the potential to become genocidal, especially with how comfortable they have become with fascism and criminal behavior. They absolutely hate being compared to Nazis however, so as the southern strategy goes, they instead make life more difficult for others in ways that benefit them instead.
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Atralis
02/02/24 6:33:01 PM
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Think about it like this.

Was the Confederate States of America a "nazi" country?
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Torgo
02/02/24 6:34:27 PM
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Not all white supremacists are Nazis, but all Nazis are white supremacists.

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Torgo
02/02/24 6:39:00 PM
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Most people don't really understand the full scope of white supremacy. I didn't until pretty recently.

Conservatives especially, but also mainstream corporate media like to boil all of racism down into a binary of interpersonal bigotry "Is trump racist? Does Obama hate white people?" - that way it's a matter of individual personal integrity and nothing more.

White supremacy is also about systems. Systems that benefit one group at the expense of another. It's about public perceptions of minority groups, and who gets policed more and used to fill private prison contracts.

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MangaBroski
02/02/24 6:54:00 PM
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While Im sure many white supremacists in the USA practice some form of Christianity for christofascism, this ignores the wannabe vikings/asaboos.
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mistymermaid
02/02/24 6:55:40 PM
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Nok_Su_Kow posted...
Ok, I'll revise that. They have the potential to become genocidal, especially with how comfortable they have become with fascism and criminal behavior. They absolutely hate being compared to Nazis however, so as the southern strategy goes, they instead make life more difficult for others in ways that benefit them. But yes, we recognize these tendencies now and need to do everything in our power to prevent it coming to that point.

Genocide is always the endgame. The exact details vary though. Some brands of white supremacy are more theocratic, or have a tendency to impose servitude over immediate eradication.

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