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ItsNotA2Mer
02/03/24 5:53:00 PM
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Humble_Novice
02/03/24 5:55:44 PM
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Cemith posted...
It's astounding to me people stroll into this topic and think all of the people who would vote Biden to prevent losing voting rights and the persecution of LGBT people somehow also hold the notion that we think he's above criticism.

Like, no. I'd vote blue down the ticket if the candidate was a day old ham sandwich. Biden is simply the head of the party that's the least likely to jail my brother or his girlfriend, so he's going to get the vote.

You can still be critical of his policies and believe he's the best option of the two. Which he is, and if you believe otherwise, you're a fucking idiot.
Leftists don't like being told to be more pragmatic because they think it means one group will have to be thrown to the wolves in order to save the rest.
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
You can push democrats to be better, but you havent really done that for most of this topic. Instead you just say theyre bad for promising things that usually get struck down by republicans.

The abortion shit you do is the best example. You blame the democrats for not enshrining the rights (that we already had under Roe), instead of the republicans for actually squashing them.
That's because it's much easier for leftists to blame liberals than it is to hold conservatives accountable. They know liberals won't retaliation against them with violence or harassment.

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1337toothbrush
02/03/24 5:58:22 PM
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
You can push democrats to be better, but you havent really done that for most of this topic. Instead you just say theyre bad for promising things that usually get struck down by republicans.

The abortion shit you do is the best example. You blame the democrats for not enshrining the rights (that we already had under Roe), instead of the republicans for actually squashing them.
If the rights were already enshrined then Obama wouldn't have campaigned on reproductive rights (and then done his about-face right after getting in and saying it's not a top priority). No shit it's the republican's fault for squashing those rights. Again, though, is your plan to petition republicans to not do that? Good luck with that. Our only option is to apply pressure on democrats to actually fight for our rights.

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1337toothbrush
02/03/24 5:58:56 PM
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So what's your plan on this?

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Kurt_Russel
02/03/24 6:02:08 PM
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CountCorvinus
02/03/24 6:02:19 PM
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Oh great Humble has joined the discussion to complain about leftists.

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lderivedx
02/03/24 6:03:57 PM
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hockeybabe89 posted...
You just told me voting for the party that isn't giving me rights out of their goodness of their hearts is the wrong choice. As opposed to what? The GOP who calls me a pedophile and promises to take away everything because I'm a danger to the country? Some third party candidate that I should wish into existence and political prominence by November? Not voting and leaving it up to chance?

Thinking it's the wrong choice is not the same as "Maybe you guys should let the party that will eliminate your rights win. Then you can start over from scratch and win them back again through like decades/centuries of death and suffering. Better than having rights that are insecure," as you put it.

Here, I'll do a similar characterization of your position. "It's actually the morally correct thing to unconditionally support people committing genocide. We should demand nothing from our leaders except that they not be the most abusive option."

This isn't productive.

My thoughts on voting are that it's nearly useless unless you are willing to withhold your vote. Republicans will try to take away rights and unless pressured to do so, Democrats will not do anything to stop them. Unconditionally pledging your vote to Democrats completely removes any pressure you could apply to them. It's, in fact, actively working against your interest.

Further, if not voting is leaving it up to chance, then voting Democrat is also leaving it up to chance.

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Humble_Novice
02/03/24 6:04:05 PM
#459:


CountCorvinus posted...
Oh great Humble has joined the discussion to complain about leftists.
What's good for liberals is also good for leftists.

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ClayGuida
02/03/24 6:04:39 PM
#460:


Why is it we just accept Republicans being pieces of shit, but it's democrats who need to be better.

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Hornezz
02/03/24 6:06:37 PM
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Cemith posted...
This is what I was talking about. Everyone knows genocide is bad, and we can criticize him for it. Everyone knows this can and will harm his turnout. This is not news to anyone
And the way to mitigate that is not by open hostility. I've seen plenty examples of critics being accused of being Trump supporters, commies, accelerationists or even nazis. It's a significant share of the voter base who has very valid moral issues on this topic, telling them to "stfu, accept that genocide is inevitable, and vote anyway" might not be the way to go.

Hell, Nancy Pelosi decided to accuse those who call for a cease fire (which, I can't stress this enough, is 75% of Dem voters!) of being Putin plants. Hillary Clinton got a lot of shit for her 'deplorables' comment but at least she was talking about the other side, not her own damn voters.

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1337toothbrush
02/03/24 6:07:26 PM
#462:


ClayGuida posted...
Why is it we just accept Republicans being pieces of shit, but it's democrats who need to be better.
You think you can negotiate with fascists? There is no pressure for republicans to do better because democrats do not pull to the left at all. In fact, democrats fund fascist campaigns for republicans as I already pointed out:
https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/03/the-democrats-are-purposely-boosting-far-right-republicans-this-will-backfire

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hockeybabe89
02/03/24 6:09:47 PM
#463:


Hornezz posted...
And the way to mitigate that is not by open hostility. I've seen plenty examples of critics being accused of being Trump supporters, commies, accelerationists or even nazis. It's a significant share of the voter base who has very valid moral issues on this topic, telling them to "stfu, accept that genocide is inevitable, and vote anyway" might not be the way to go.
And they don't have a moral issue with millions upon millions of Americans suffering if Biden does not win? What the fuck kind of morals are those?

I'm operating under the possibility that Biden does not reverse America's support of Israel. And that Israel wouldn't give a fuck even if we did. In that scenario, of Palestine being screwed either way, are we mitigating further damage or throwing everyone off a cliff?

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havean776
02/03/24 6:12:38 PM
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Hornezz posted...
And the way to mitigate that is not by open hostility. I've seen plenty examples of critics being accused of being Trump supporters, commies, accelerationists or even nazis. It's a significant share of the voter base who has very valid moral issues on this topic, telling them to "stfu, accept that genocide is inevitable, and vote anyway" might not be the way to go.
Clearly screaming that anyone who Votes against the Repubs loves Genocide is a perfectly fine way to get a discussion going.
No fuck of with tis disingenous tactic. We are sick of it.

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Humble_Novice
02/03/24 6:13:05 PM
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hockeybabe89 posted...
And they don't have a moral issue with millions upon millions of Americans suffering if Biden does not win? What the fuck kind of morals are those?
Remember how badly Trump did during the pandemic? At least one million Americans died under his watch.

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Humble_Novice
02/03/24 6:14:01 PM
#466:


havean776 posted...
Clearly screaming that anyone who Votes against the Repubs loves Genocide is a perfectly fine way to get a discussion going.
No fuck of with tis disingenous tactic. We are sick of it.
It's triggered you enough to respond.

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havean776
02/03/24 6:15:25 PM
#467:


Humble_Novice posted...
It's triggered you enough to respond.
What good has this done you?

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CountCorvinus
02/03/24 6:17:03 PM
#468:


Humble_Novice posted...
What's good for liberals is also good for leftists.

  1. lol No
  2. Try to go five minutes without blaming leftists for something.

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lderivedx
02/03/24 6:20:06 PM
#469:


havean776 posted...
screaming that anyone who Votes against the Repubs loves Genocide

Who has said this?

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SaikyoStyle
02/03/24 6:20:29 PM
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This is embarrassing

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Hornezz
02/03/24 6:20:37 PM
#471:


havean776 posted...
Clearly screaming that anyone who Votes against the Repubs loves Genocide is a perfectly fine way to get a discussion going.
Are you saying we don't have people ITT arguing that genocide is inevitable? It's referring to statements like this: "Genocide happens either way, chief."
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80686016/978634476

hockeybabe89 posted...
And they don't have a moral issue with millions upon millions of Americans suffering if Biden does not win? What the fuck kind of morals are those?
Again, completely ignoring the part that this stance is what can cause Biden to lose. It's like talking to a brick wall.

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havean776
02/03/24 6:24:43 PM
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lderivedx posted...
Who has said this?
Dam right after you posted.

Hornezz posted...
Are you saying we don't have people ITT arguing that genocide is inevitable? It's referring to statements like this: "Genocide happens either way, chief."
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80686016/978634476
I keep getting proven right.


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Hornezz
02/03/24 6:26:14 PM
#473:


havean776 posted...
I keep getting proven right.
Quote the part where I said "anyone who Votes against the Repubs loves Genocide"

And you got the nerve to accuse me of being disingenuous.

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havean776
02/03/24 6:26:45 PM
#474:


Hornezz posted...
Are you saying we don't have people ITT arguing that genocide is inevitable? It's referring to statements like this: "Genocide happens either way, chief."
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80686016/978634476



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Humble_Novice
02/03/24 6:27:03 PM
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havean776 posted...
I keep getting proven right.
Proven right about what?

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Hornezz
02/03/24 6:29:33 PM
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@havean776 Those are two entirely different sentences.

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CountCorvinus
02/03/24 6:30:17 PM
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Hornezz posted...
Again, completely ignoring the part that this stance is what can cause Biden to lose. It's like talking to a brick wall.

Are you telling me that doubling down on support for Israel's war crimes is not a good strategy to win Michigan, a swing state with a high Arab population?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/arab-american-leaders-urge-michigan-to-vote-uncommitted-send-message-to-biden/ar-BB1hIXxX

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Humble_Novice
02/03/24 6:32:34 PM
#479:


CountCorvinus posted...
Are you telling me that doubling down on support for Israel's war crimes is not a good strategy to win Michigan, a swing state with a high Arab population?
Are you sure you don't mean Muslim population rather than Arab population? Because Arabs only count as 2% or more of Michigan's current population.

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CountCorvinus
02/03/24 6:35:34 PM
#480:


Humble_Novice posted...
Are you sure you don't mean Muslim population rather than Arab population? Because Arabs only count as 2% or more of Michigan's current population.


Michigan is a critical swing state, one that Mr. Biden won by a thin margin of about 154,000 votes in 2020, but that Hillary Clinton lost in 2016 to Donald Trump, who appears likely to be the GOP presidential nominee this year. It's home to a large community of Arab and Muslim Americans, 146,000 of whom voted for Mr. Biden in 2020, and many of whom disagree with Biden's stance on the Israel-Hamas war.

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havean776
02/03/24 6:36:15 PM
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Trumble posted... It's pretty clear that a lot of people ITT just want their team to win and don't care if they're voting for literal genocide in the process. Furthermore, these same people are perfectly content to spread the "you only have two choices" propaganda that keeps not only the Democrats, but also the very Republicans they pretend to be so upset about, in power.

Remember these people think a vote for Biden is a support for genocide. you can not reason with them.
Go and vote. Save America from the Repubs.

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Trumble
02/03/24 6:37:36 PM
#482:


There's no morally honest way that support for either Trump or Biden can be justified, hence why supporters cling to excuses, false claims, or blaming the other of those two while refusing to even acknowledge, let alone support, any other option.

The reason you keep ending up with people like those two is because you keep voting for people like those two. Of course nothing will change if you keep treating those two like they're the only options in existence.

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Humble_Novice
02/03/24 6:38:03 PM
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So basically, Michigan will be decided by an even thinner margin of 8,000 votes or less if Muslim Americans within the state stay home?

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ssb_yunglink2
02/03/24 6:39:10 PM
#484:


Trumble posted...
There's no morally honest way that support for either Trump or Biden can be justified, hence why supporters cling to excuses, false claims, or blaming the other of those two while refusing to even acknowledge, let alone support, any other option.

The reason you keep ending up with people like those two is because you keep voting for people like those two.
ok once again, what do you think about the lgbt and minority rights going to shit under trump? What are the other options you keep talking about? Not voting doesnt do anything.

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Hornezz
02/03/24 6:39:59 PM
#485:


Humble_Novice posted...
Are you sure you don't mean Muslim population rather than Arab population? Because Arabs only count as 2% or more of Michigan's current population.
First of all, I really don't want to subscribe to the idea of "minority votes are irrelevant as long as their group is small enough".

But even then, it's not only Arabs and Muslims who take issue with Biden's stance. It's 70% of all Democrats under 45.

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Trumble
02/03/24 6:40:56 PM
#486:


ssb_yunglink2 posted...
ok once again, what do you think about the lgbt and minority rights going to shit under trump? What are the other options you keep talking about? Not voting doesnt do anything.
You offer nothing at all besides "just vote for the guy who supports one less genocide" so don't criticize me for at least offering a first step.

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CountCorvinus
02/03/24 6:41:44 PM
#487:


Humble_Novice posted...
So basically, Michigan will be decided by an even thinner margin of 8,000 votes or less if Muslim Americans within the state stay home?

Great campaign strategy from the person with 38% approval rating and polling 5 points behind Trump in the state.

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Cemith
02/03/24 6:42:04 PM
#488:


Trumble posted...
You offer nothing at all besides "just vote for the guy who supports one less genocide" so don't criticize me for at least offering a first step.

You failed to answer the question again. Twice.

You could not be more transparent.

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KajeI
02/03/24 6:42:33 PM
#489:


Trumble posted...
You offer nothing at all besides "just vote for the guy who supports one less genocide" so don't criticize me for at least offering a first step.

KajeI posted...
So who's the viable third option you're gonna vote for in these upcoming elections that's gonna get you what you want?
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ssb_yunglink2
02/03/24 6:42:39 PM
#490:


Trumble posted...
You offer nothing at all, so don't criticize me for at least offering a first step.
??????

you: bro just dont vote, maybe trump wins but itll be genocide either way

rational people: okay what next after Trump and project 2025 are instituted

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ItsNotA2Mer
02/03/24 6:43:33 PM
#491:


lderivedx posted...
My thoughts on voting are that it's nearly useless unless you are willing to withhold your vote.

There it is.

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havean776
02/03/24 6:43:47 PM
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Trumble posted...
You offer nothing at all besides "just vote for the guy who supports one less genocide" so don't criticize me for at least offering a first step.
Your first step is to throw my friends into the Gulag.
How brave of you to sacrafice other peoples rights.

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Cemith
02/03/24 6:44:48 PM
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Also, in case anyone's wondering, this is the order of blame if Trump wins:

1.) Conservatives. They're evil ( . . ) . They've orchestrated the fall of modern voting rights.

2.) Those who abstain. You're not as culpable as I do fully believe you believe you're doing the right thing, but it won't really matter when LGBT people are imprisoned how good you felt about yourself. If Trump wins, you're nearly as culpable.

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Humble_Novice
02/03/24 6:44:59 PM
#494:


ItsNotA2Mer posted...
There it is.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/ee721969.jpg
Chaos agents are everywhere, it seems.

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Humble_Novice
02/03/24 6:47:08 PM
#495:


Cemith posted...
2.) Those who abstain. You're not as culpable as I do fully believe you believe you're doing the right thing, but it won't really matter when LGBT people are imprisoned how good you felt about yourself. If Trump wins, you're nearly as culpable.
The leftists who've chosen not to vote are already expecting liberals to fully blame them for this and they are defiantly gleeful over it.

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Cemith
02/03/24 6:48:33 PM
#496:


Humble_Novice posted...
The leftists who've chosen not to vote are already expecting liberals to fully blame them for this and they are defiantly gleeful over it.

It's a shame we've come to a point as a society where people are driven by schadenfreude over morality.

I can't forget to tag all the abstainers so I know exactly who caused my brothers imprisonment

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hockeybabe89
02/03/24 6:48:54 PM
#497:


Hornezz posted...
Again, completely ignoring the part that this stance is what can cause Biden to lose. It's like talking to a brick wall.
We are going to get shot in the head (figuratively or literally) of Biden loses. How are any Americans too fucking stupid to need more?

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Smiffwilm
02/03/24 6:49:42 PM
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02/03/24 6:49:45 PM
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