Current Events > Waitress upset over an 8% tip. Is she in the right?

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If you get two dishes that are cheap vs two that are more expensive, why should the server get more tip when it's the same amount of work?

Villain_S_Fiend posted...

You prefer to punish the exploited worker who bears no fault in the system, making it harder for them to get by on their meager wages? Don't try to frame that as a stance against an exploitative system; be honest with yourself and admit that it's about justifying apathy.

I think a big part of the problem is that people have been conditioned to see going out to eat as just another meal choice to weigh against eating in. Dining out is meant to be something of a treat; something you do when you have the money to spend on the full experience/service, not something you do multiple times per week as an easy alternative to popping some chicken in the oven.

This post is bad.

Oh you sooo worried about the worker.

If people just ate out for special occassion they would have no job LMAO.

Also they are not being punished. Tip is extra.
They will always make whatever wage they agreed to.
If that wage is terrible there are other jobs without the juicy tips that have better base pay.

WingsOfGood posted...

If people just ate out for special occassion they would have no job LMAO.

We know this isn't true, because restaurants existed since before gluttonous consumerism became the norm.

WingsOfGood posted...

Also they are not being punished. Tip is extra.
They will always make whatever wage they agreed to.
If that wage is terrible there are other jobs without the juicy tips that have better base pay.

Villain_S_Fiend posted...

ITP it's easy for anybody anywhere to just hop jobs, and they should never have expectations based on what everyone knows those jobs entail.

WingsOfGood, PostsOfBad

if i got a $15 tip on anything id be hyped. this bitch is just a toxic ass worker with an over privileged attitude.

not their fault erica cant pay her tuition. maybe she should start an onlyfans.

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true but thats the kitchen who is doing the extra work, not the wait staff bringing it out. If a portion of the tip goes to kitchen, sure but thats not always the case

MrMolinaro posted...

Yeah, Im not interested in debating the issue. Im merely stating the reality of the situation. If you cant tip, dont go out to eat.

Reality is when tipping is optional, be prepared to get less than ideal tips sometimes.

Villain_S_Fiend posted...

We know this isn't true, because restaurants existed since before gluttonous consumerism became the norm.

How many?

HOLY MOLY

Use some logic for once.

Oh so because it is not easy to hop jobs do you then tip the bank teller?
Do you tip the garbage man?
Do you tip cashier at the clothing store?

No because you don't actually believe in your own BULL

WingsOfGood posted...

Oh so because it is not easy to hop jobs do you then tip the bank teller?
Do you tip the garbage man?
Do you tip cashier at the clothing store?

Do you know how server wages work vs other employment?

It's amazing the lengths that people go to try to justify being cheapskates.

Villain_S_Fiend posted...

Do you know how server wages work vs other employment?

Are you suggesting server is bottom rung of society and needs alms but cashier doesn't?
Like giving alms to a beggar on the street?

Surely not.

And do you not know other jobs like cashier can pay much less than server.

Yet you don't tip them

Why?

WingsOfGood posted...

Are you suggesting server is bottom rung of society and needs alms but cashier doesn't?
Like giving alms to a beggaf on the street?

Surely not.

You didn't answer the question.

Villain_S_Fiend posted...

You didn't answer the question.

They make more than many cashiers depends on the place.

So you refuse to tip those who make less than servers even do?

WingsOfGood posted...

They make more than many cashiers depends on the place.

WingsOfGood posted...

They make more than many cashiers depends on the place.

True. But its kinda risk / reward. Servers get paid less than minimum wage. Cashiers get minimum wage.

SHRlKE posted...

True. But its kinda risk / reward. Servers get paid less than minimum wage. Cashiers get minimum wage.

Risk reward as in they chose to not be a cahsier to make more money as a server?

Hmmm

Hmmmmmmmmmm

WingsOfGood posted...

They make more than many cashiers depends on the place.

WingsOfGood posted...

So you refuse to tip those who make less than servers even do?

You seem to be operating on the misconception that I'm just all-in on everything a server might want. I'm aware that there exist servers who would even prefer to keep the tipping business model because of where they work and the tips they can earn, but that doesn't convince me that it should stay as it is.

But really, your argument here is nothing more than you insisting that everyone is secretly as apathetic and stingy as you.

WingsOfGood posted...

Risk reward as in they chose to not be a cahsier to make more money as a server?

Hmmm

Hmmmmmmmmmm

Again:

ITP it's easy for anybody anywhere to just hop jobs, and they should never have expectations based on what everyone knows those jobs entail.

Villain_S_Fiend posted...

But really, your argument here is nothing more than you insisting that everyone is secretly as apathetic and stingy as you.

Do you give alms to the homeless?

Do you help those in low minimum wage jobs like cashier as I mentioned?

Or do you only argue about servers out of your own selfish egotistical indulgence because you are

Gasp

A server and want to make big money?

Wow

Villain_S_Fiend posted...

Again:

What is the risk they refers to?

Think about it for a moment

WingsOfGood posted...

Or do you only argue about servers out of your own selfish egotistical indulgence because you are

Gasp

A server and want to make big money?

This was in my first post in another topic, but you're in there too, so...

And just to make it clear my argument isn't secretly about me or whatever: I'm fortunate enough to have never had to work a food service job.

You really have nothing but empty, emotional spurts you think are points because you're heated. Shoo.

Villain_S_Fiend posted...

This was in my first post in another topic, but you're in there too, so...

You really have nothing but empty, emotional spurts you think are points because you're heated. Shoo.

You didn't answer my question!

Wow

WingsOfGood posted...

Risk reward as in they chose to not be a cahsier to make more money as a server?

Hmmm

Hmmmmmmmmmm

They get paid more if people tip well.

WingsOfGood posted...

Risk reward as in they chose to not be a cahsier to make more money as a server?

Hmmm

Hmmmmmmmmmm

I don't think its that simple. Maybe the only jobs are cashiers.

creativerealms posted...

They get paid more if people tip well.

Dun dun dun

So they takr on risk for reward.

But then when said risk is realized, they get upset and whine....uhhh

And knight come to their defence.

Then is it truly a risk if people argue it is mandatory?

WalkingPlague posted...

if i got a $15 tip on anything id be hyped. this bitch is just a toxic ass worker with an over privileged attitude.

not their fault erica cant pay her tuition. maybe she should start an onlyfans.

Maybe you should be angry at employers and the government instead of insulting workers and posting sexist bullshit.

Karovorak posted...

The staff is responsible for the job they take.

If I complain about my shitty job and shitty pay (it's fine), my customers would not give a shit either, everyone would tell me to look for another job. Especially everyone here on CE.

Being part of a system that exploits them and then blaming the customers for it because they don't take the responsibility?

Any who works a service job is pretty much in a system that exploits them and your brilliant advice is "Well just take responsibility and get a better job! Otherwise shut the fuck up and deal with it!"

Abusive customers in general are a symptom of an exploitative system and you don't think those customers have any culpability because "Well people are taking jobs for bad employers instead of being unemployed so it's their own damn fault! They volunteered!"

This makes it sound like it isn't the employer's responsibility either.

Deutschenlied posted...

Any who works a service job is pretty much in a system that exploits them and your brilliant advice is "Well just take responsibility and get a better job! Otherwise shut the fuck up and deal with it!"

Abusive customers in general are a symptom of an exploitative system and you don't think those customers have any culpability because "Well people are taking jobs for bad employers instead of being unemployed so it's their own damn fault! They volunteered!"

This makes it sound like it isn't the employer's responsibility either.

Yet not all these jobs are even tippable.

So instead of whining about some guy who DID tip and it just "wasn't enough" why are we not discussing something like UBI which would help everyone who has minimum wage jobs?

It seems odd to me how much focus restaurant servers get in these conversation whereas everyone else in worse shape than them gets left out.

Why is that?

I think I may have figured it out:

Villain_S_Fiend posted...

And just to make it clear my argument isn't secretly about me or whatever: I'm fortunate enough to have never had to work a food service job.

Why would someone who never worked as a server argue about this so staunchly?

Simple.

It is easier to, as rich person, feel like you did your part giving a tip to a server and end it there than to actually do something constructive to society.
After all the people who hate raising minimum wages and hate UBI and hate welfare....do they hate tipping?
Actually I find they often love tipping.

Why?

1. Makes them feel superior
2. Makes them feel like they did enough

The server is wrong. The customer tips the same way I do. They use the tip to round out the bill. Sometimes the tip ends up being huge and sometimes it's small. But as long as it rounds out to a good looking number it's fine. I have friends that calculate the tip with their phone. I think that's worse.

JVillJags posted...

The server is wrong. The customer tips the same way I do. They use the tip to round out the bill. Sometimes the tip ends up being huge and sometimes it's small. But as long as it rounds out to a good looking number it's fine. I have friends that calculate the tip with their phone. I think that's worse.

That's a horrible way to tip if it ends up way below. You can use common sense to at least get into the proper ballpark.

You could put that next to the dictionary definition of entitlement.

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Lmao she didn't cook the food homie.

Yes.

You aren't entitled to a tip. Let alone a certain amount.

hockeybabe89 posted...

If you don't tip, you are gutter tier trash and you should fuck off from society. You don't actually give a rat's ass about changing anything or doing what's best for society

You don't get to just reject societal norms. Fight to change them, but you have to participate in them until they change. Don't like it? Move to the woods.

Troll opinions like this is why Americas work culture is fucked

DnDer posted...

The actual answer is post-slavery conditions and racism in general.

Here's one of the easiest to consume articles on the topic.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/16/fact-check-tipping-kept-wages-low-formerly-enslaved-black-workers/3896620001/

So tipping is racist lol that's interesting

Rika_Furude posted...

Troll opinions like this is why Americas work culture is fucked

is also why wages remain depressed

"fight to change the wage system while supporting the ability to depress it!"

genius

in the most moronic terms of geniusness

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Its not clear this was the case though

WingsOfGood posted...

After all the people who hate raising minimum wages and hate UBI and hate welfare....do they hate tipping?

I despise tipping. I would much rather see the laws changed.

That said, I'm also not going to pretend that customers going out to eat and willingly participating in the system and then refusing to tip are doing some grand stand against the system. They're being cheap, hurting servers, and don't give a shit and want their dining-out luxuries. Customers shouldn't be expected to subsidize wages, and workers stuck in the system are right to be angry at the customers they, unjustly or not, are forced to rely on. Both things can be true at once.

WingsOfGood posted...

Yet not all these jobs are even tippable.

So instead of whining about some guy who DID tip and it just "wasn't enough" why are we not discussing something like UBI which would help everyone who has minimum wage jobs?

It seems odd to me how much focus restaurant servers get in these conversation whereas everyone else in worse shape than them gets left out.

Why is that?

You're right man. When has anyone ever discussed UBI or raising wages for non-server jobs? I surely can't think of one person on CE or anywhere in the world who has discussed these things. Literally only servers deserve higher wages.

/s

SAlYAN posted...

I despise tipping. I would much rather see the laws changed so employers just pay a living wage.

That said, I'm also not going to pretend that customers going out to eat and willingly participating in the system and then refusing to tip are doing some grand stand against the system. They're being cheap, hurting servers, and don't give a shit and want their dining-out luxuries. Customers shouldn't be expected to subsidize wages, and workers stuck in the system are right to be angry at the customers they, unjustly or not, are forced to rely on. Both things can be true at once.

Except theyre not. In your brain youre desperate to convince yourself that a customer is at fault. How much money does a waiter earn in both these scenarios?

1: a customer orders food and then doesnt tip
2: there is no customer

theres nothing you can say that shows that scenario 2 hurts waiters less than scenario 1

lol of course CE defends not tipping
Total social rejects

Cant wait until robots take over these waiter/waitresses positions.

Background_Guy posted...

lol of course CE defends not tipping
Total social rejects

If you want to pay someone that is not employed by you, by all means you do you.

Background_Guy posted...

lol of course CE defends not tipping
Total social rejects

I mean a difference between not tipping versus wanting tipping culture to be gone should be a distinction here no?

Rika_Furude posted...

Except theyre not. In your brain youre desperate to convince yourself that a customer is at fault. How much money does a waiter earn in both these scenarios?

1: a customer orders food and then doesnt tip
2: there is no customer

theres nothing you can say that shows that scenario 2 hurts waiters less than scenario 1

And I wouldn't pretend otherwise.

I would say scenario 2 actually hurts the people responsible. The business owners. The ones who need to be hurt. And is thus a far more effective protest than scenario 1, which basically gives the boss their money, while fucking over the little guy exclusively.

SAlYAN posted...

That said, I'm also not going to pretend that customers going out to eat and willingly participating in the system and then refusing to tip are doing some grand stand against the system. They're being cheap,

They aren't being cheap not participating in something that is literally not required by law to participate just because you feel they are entitled to a tip.

People like you also need to get it out of your head that not participating in tip culture is some grand stand to fight the system. I'll let you in a little secret, many just see it as no different than not tipping their cashier at the grocery store which btw may shock you that the cart boy or cashier at your local grocery store likely makes less than that server you put on a mile high pedestal.

By all means tip if you want to. I'm not saying don't if you don't want to. But thinking those that point out its not my responsibility to pay staff, it's the employers responsibility? It's not some grand standing, or stick it to the man agenda. It's a person treating the server like any other customer service worker who is likely making less than that server. Don't look at me for an entitled bonus, and it's not just you we are treating this way.

Also let's get honest that many of these servers make more than minimum wage, and likely aren't tipping minimum wage workers making less than them.

Baha05 posted...

I mean a difference between not tipping versus wanting tipping culture to be gone should be a distinction here no?

You can want tipping to be gone but if you don't tip you're still scum

Background_Guy posted...

You can want tipping to be gone but if you don't tip you're still scum

So its damn if you do and damned if you dont.

Deutschenlied posted...

Maybe you should be angry at employers and the government instead of insulting workers and posting sexist bullshit.

angry at employees? you do realize if money was an issue maybe she should find a better job?

instead she finds peace insulting someone who paid her a decent tip. she can get fucked.

and how is what i said sexist? did i hurt your yittle feelings. go back to reddit, softy.