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LeoRavus
02/10/24 9:12:04 AM
#51:


Funkydog posted...
Not ignoring the genocide on the path from A to B

Within reason, what then?

Not everyone is an activist. Just because someone didn't participate in a civil rights march in 1965 doesn't mean they were racist. Some people are just trying to get to work, home, or wherever.

Exposing what the government is imposing there is fine, but making random accusations is a dick move.

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cjsdowg
02/10/24 9:13:16 AM
#52:


LeoRavus posted...


Exposing what the government is imposing there is fine, but making random accusations is a dick move.

Evil exist when good men do nothing.

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bfslick50
02/10/24 9:16:50 AM
#53:


LeoRavus posted...
Not everyone is an activist. Just because someone didn't participate in a civil rights march in 1965 doesn't mean they were racist. Some people are just trying to get to work, home, or wherever.

MLK said moderates were his biggest obstacle to progress.

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LeoRavus
02/10/24 9:19:20 AM
#54:


bfslick50 posted...
MLK said moderates were his biggest obstacle to progress.

This may be true. Not all humans are built the same.

I hope everyone who thinks these people are somehow wrong for standing at a bus stop are actively protesting atrocities themselves.

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ai123
02/10/24 9:23:08 AM
#55:


LeoRavus posted...
This may be true. Not all humans are built the same.

I hope everyone who thinks these people are somehow wrong for standing at a bus stop are actively protesting atrocities themselves.
What is your opinion on the fact that Palestinians are not allowed to walk on that road or use the bus stop?

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cjsdowg
02/10/24 9:29:42 AM
#56:


This is a longer take on this..

https://twitter.com/clikengle/status/1755623607797948868

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bfslick50
02/10/24 9:38:07 AM
#57:


LeoRavus posted...
This may be true. Not all humans are built the same.

I hope everyone who thinks these people are somehow wrong for standing at a bus stop are actively protesting atrocities themselves.

Hopefully.

You seem very upset that this guy was called a racist. You seem more upset by unkind words than the conditions the Palestinians are facing. If that guy is fighting for Palestinian rights but was uncomfortable getting into in on camera in front of soldiers or he just didn't fully understand English, then being called racist was unfair but end of the day he's going to fine. If he is just going about his life and doesn't want to get involved and doesn't care about the suffering his neighbors are going through, then he's at least a little bit racist.

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Jiek_Fafn
02/10/24 9:42:56 AM
#58:


cjsdowg posted...
This is a longer take on this..

https://twitter.com/clikengle/status/1755623607797948868
There's a really really good episode of the series Ramy on Hulu (I think early season 3) from before the current genocide that has the main character deal with the things mentioned in this interview.

For a comedy, Ramy hits some issues hard and this is one of them. Also, it's a great show I wish more people watched.

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SpiritSephiroth
02/10/24 9:44:13 AM
#59:


cjsdowg posted...
This is a longer take on this..

https://twitter.com/clikengle/status/1755623607797948868

Thanks for this, bookmarked.

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bfslick50
02/10/24 9:50:01 AM
#60:


cjsdowg posted...
This is a longer take on this..

https://twitter.com/clikengle/status/1755623607797948868

Thanks for posting this

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Jagr_68
02/10/24 10:06:12 AM
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xfd @ post #29 getting completely BTFO'd of this topic

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Ricemills
02/10/24 10:09:55 AM
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Okay, did anyone else has this David Loserberg comment replacing the community notes on these Twitter embedments?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/81f6538a.jpg
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Zikten
02/10/24 10:30:28 AM
#63:


Tyranthraxus posted...
IDF has mandatory conscription so it's not even a given that the two soldiers even wanted to be there in the first place.
The soldiers chuckled and even said they like the racism. So seem compliant
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Tyranthraxus
02/10/24 10:34:50 AM
#64:


Zikten posted...
The soldiers chuckled and even said they like the racism. So seem compliant

They're more than compliant. They're actively enforcing it. Still doesn't mean they wanted to join the IDF in the first place.

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Torgo
02/10/24 11:03:29 AM
#65:


ai123 posted...
Many people are not aware of these apartheid-like conditions.

What do you think of them?

Sadly, most of the people who are blind to the apartheid state in Israel don't see Palestinians as humans.

Political conservatives show their true colors again as they cry for the Uyghur people in China - when the oppressor is someone they hate and there is little to no political action to take beyond using them as a talking point - but when the oppressor state is a conservative ally and there is a lot the United States can immediately do to help it's - "what apartheid, they're all terrorists anyway!"

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ClayGuida
02/10/24 11:08:30 AM
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I saw a billboard off the highway yesterday that said "Palestinian Children deserve to live" with two children.

Shocking that they even allowed it.

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FlyEaglesFly24
02/10/24 11:09:15 AM
#67:


Jiek_Fafn posted...
Yes, but random guy at the bus stop is not going to make a difference here

About as much of a difference as bitching and moaning on gamefaqs is going to do.

Any shmuck with a camera can go anywhere and make it look bad with the right amount of planning.

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Torgo
02/10/24 11:11:36 AM
#68:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
About as much of a difference as bitching and moaning on gamefaqs is going to do.

Any shmuck with a camera can go anywhere and make it look bad with the right amount of planning.

Are you saying the countless videos and accounts of brutality and murder are all hoaxes?

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ClayGuida
02/10/24 11:15:01 AM
#69:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
About as much of a difference as bitching and moaning on gamefaqs is going to do.

Any shmuck with a camera can go anywhere and make it look bad with the right amount of planning.
Let me ask you a legitimate question, is Jimmy Carter a liar?

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Foppe
02/10/24 11:23:49 AM
#70:


ClayGuida posted...
Let me ask you a legitimate question, is Jimmy Carter a liar?
Dont expect an answer, FEF24 is a big Israel shill that wont reply on specific questions.

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the_rowan
02/10/24 11:27:15 AM
#71:


It didn't used to be this way.
Then Arafat rejected a pretty generous two-state solution, with massive international support from both the Clinton administration and many Arab countries. This then triggered mass rioting, gunfighting, suicide bombings, and rocket attacks, which lasted for years.
This is the point where Israel built the West Bank barrier.
Associating the barrier with "racism" in the sense of "I hate them and don't want them here because they're foreign" and not "We don't want them here because some portion of them blow up busses" is a pretty false dichotomy.

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BakonBitz
02/10/24 11:29:04 AM
#72:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
Any shmuck with a camera can go anywhere and make apartheid look bad with the right amount of planning.
Fixed it for you.

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Murphiroth
02/10/24 11:30:28 AM
#73:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
About as much of a difference as bitching and moaning on gamefaqs is going to do.

Any shmuck with a camera can go anywhere and make it look bad with the right amount of planning.

Right on cue to defend Israel no matter their actions. You're so transparent it's kind of funny.
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Tyranthraxus
02/10/24 11:31:17 AM
#74:


the_rowan posted...
Associating the barrier with "racism" in the sense of "I hate them and don't want them here because they're foreign" and not "We don't want them here because some portion of them blow up busses" is a pretty false dichotomy.

I'm not seeing a huge difference between the two statements.

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ai123
02/10/24 11:35:18 AM
#75:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
About as much of a difference as bitching and moaning on gamefaqs is going to do.

Any shmuck with a camera can go anywhere and make it look bad with the right amount of planning.
So it's all fine then.

This guy just staged it all. There are no streets that Palestinians may not walk down. It was all a carefully planned hoax, and they are free to use the bus stop any time.

He is simultaneously the greatest and worst filmmaker of all time, able to carefully stage the scene to make Israel look bad (right in front of armed soldiers too!), but somehow not able to conduct an interview to the correct standards.

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DnDer
02/10/24 11:53:29 AM
#76:


Zikten posted...
The soldiers chuckled and even said they like the racism. So seem compliant

"Compliant" also works here, but the word "complicit" is used more often in the context you're commenting on.

Was compliant the word you meant to use?

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DnDer
02/10/24 11:56:17 AM
#77:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
Any shmuck with a camera can go anywhere and make it look bad with the right amount of planning.

You don't need to plan anything out when exposing Israel's apartheid treatment of Palestine.

Are you suggesting he staged this? That the apartheid isn't as bad? That it doesn't exist?

What is the thing you want us to understand when you make a statement like that?

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Zikten
02/10/24 11:56:48 AM
#78:


DnDer posted...
"Compliant" also works here, but the word "complicit" is used more often in the context you're commenting on.

Was compliant the word you meant to use?
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Sheiky-Baby
02/10/24 11:59:23 AM
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That lady soldier did not know wtf was going on, lol.

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the_rowan
02/10/24 12:00:48 PM
#80:


Tyranthraxus posted...
I'm not seeing a huge difference between the two statements.

The big difference is when you ask Israel to take the wall down, you have to add in "Oh, and hundreds to thousands more civilians will die every year" as a bullet point.

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02/10/24 12:01:38 PM
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DnDer
02/10/24 12:01:47 PM
#81:


Zikten posted...
I meant complicit I guess

That's cool.

I love sharing new words with people. This one is a favorite that I never really thought I'd use outside of some creative writing.

But goddamn if engaging in politics didn't make it almost an everyday word.

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Foppe
02/10/24 12:04:09 PM
#82:


the_rowan posted...
The big difference is when you ask Israel to take the wall down, you have to add in "Oh, and hundreds to thousands more civilians will die every year" as a bullet point.
The big wall doesnt stop Israel from killing children, journalist and medical personell.

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Enclave
02/10/24 12:21:05 PM
#84:


cjsdowg posted...
This is a longer take on this..

https://twitter.com/clikengle/status/1755623607797948868

This reminded me HEAVILY of an interview Michael Brooks had a few years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62I61kBahNY

Rest in power Michael, we lost you too soon.

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FlyEaglesFly24
02/10/24 1:07:52 PM
#85:


ai123 posted...
So it's all fine then.

This guy just staged it all. There are no streets that Palestinians may not walk down. It was all a carefully planned hoax, and they are free to use the bus stop any time.

He is simultaneously the greatest and worst filmmaker of all time, able to carefully stage the scene to make Israel look bad (right in front of armed soldiers too!), but somehow not able to conduct an interview to the correct standards.

  1. The film was made in Hebron, which is in the West Bank, not Israel proper.
  2. Finding an ultra orthodox guy and two soldiers who may or may not speak English at a bus stop and ambushing them with a camera with leading questions is not my definition of proper journalism.

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ai123
02/10/24 1:12:25 PM
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FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
1. The film was made in Hebron, which is in the West Bank, not Israel proper.
Who is preventing Palestinians from using the street and the Bus Stop?

2. Finding an ultra orthodox guy and two soldiers who may or may not speak English at a bus stop and ambushing them with a camera with leading questions is not my definition of proper journalism.

No it isn't. But when you have a group of people subject to ongoing apartheid-like conditions, and three people accused of racism at a bus stop for a minute, I know which issue is deserving of greater attention.


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Vyrulisse
02/10/24 1:32:48 PM
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Can't believe there are people in this topic actually defending what we can see with our own eyes in that video.

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Aloc
02/10/24 1:33:34 PM
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Flyeaglesfly needs to be put on blocked lists so he can't damage control and try to gaslight this board.

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ai123
02/10/24 2:00:23 PM
#91:


Aloc posted...
Flyeaglesfly needs to be put on blocked lists so he can't damage control and try to gaslight this board.
I don't agree with him, but he's not so extreme that you can't have a conversation.

I won't block him.

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Prestoff
02/10/24 2:07:44 PM
#92:


Yep, not even surprise people are calling this video "anti-semetic" on one of my feeds on facebook. And then there are even some people not even trying to hide it's an apartheid with "it's simply national security we have to do this. They gave us no choice!".

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MorbidFaithless
02/10/24 2:19:57 PM
#93:


Vyrulisse posted...
Can't believe there are people in this topic actually defending what we can see with our own eyes in that video.
This is an all time CE low. Either they're trolls, or... deeply, deeply racist? I mean most likely both I guess.

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BakonBitz
02/10/24 2:40:51 PM
#94:


MorbidFaithless posted...
This is an all time CE low. Either they're trolls, or... deeply, deeply racist? I mean most likely both I guess.
I'm of the belief that if someone trolls about something, they more than likely believe it in some capacity. There's exceptions of course.

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FlyEaglesFly24
02/10/24 4:19:31 PM
#95:


Aloc posted...
Flyeaglesfly needs to be put on blocked lists so he can't damage control and try to gaslight this board.

Dude, if you were going to block me, youd have done it along time ago.

Im a counterweight, is all. Reminding people that we are in the middle of a hostage situation doesnt make me a genocidal maniac. It makes me sympathetic to the victims of state sponsored terror, in the same way that many perceive the plight of the people in Gaza. Sorry if that bothers you, but theres a hundred plus families right now whose families are literally stuck in limbo because on the one hand, terrorists have their family members in a dungeon, and on the other hand their own government isnt taking every measure available to them to get them out.

Someone needs to speak for them.

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Dark_Arbron
02/10/24 4:30:47 PM
#96:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
Dude, if you were going to block me, youd have done it along time ago.

Im a counterweight, is all.

You blocked me for asking why renouncing citizenship in protest was treason.

Still waiting on an answer to that question, BTW.

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Dark_Arbron
02/10/24 4:32:17 PM
#97:


Revelation34 posted...
apartheid
noun
apart heid -pr-tt -tt
: racial segregation
especially : a policy of racial segregation formerly practiced in the Republic of South Africa

There is only one definition of the word apartheid. It doesn't exist anymore.

This isn't really any different to "excuse me, it's not pedophilia, it's ephebophilia!"

The term doesn't matter when the concept is the same.

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Enclave
02/10/24 4:37:07 PM
#98:


Dark_Arbron posted...
This isn't really any different to "excuse me, it's not pedophilia, it's ephebophilia!"

The term doesn't matter when the concept is the same.

I'd argue the fact that South Africa is saying it's apartheid suggests that it's even more idiotic than "umm, actually it's ephebophilia".

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Dark_Arbron
02/10/24 4:38:53 PM
#99:


Enclave posted...
I'd argue the fact that South Africa is saying it's apartheid suggests that it's even more idiotic than "umm, actually it's ephebophilia".

Probably. Either way the lazy deflection is real.

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