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Also conspiracy business, but ulti could always be godfather ninja or something.

We dont have any unaccounted for scum roles.

But also flavor cop.

I expect the last scum to be something passive like that though.

Leafeon13N posted...

Also conspiracy business, but ulti could always be godfather ninja or something.

To be clear, this could apply to just about anyone.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/01111246.jpg

my concern is somewhat mitigated by the fact that wallz' role is named kidnapper and not neighbor but it still just strikes me as really strange that ulti claimed naive neighbor.

i don't want to lean into this very hard because it begs the question whether sultan would provide a renamed vanilla fake name and that's just messy. but i feel obliged to comment nonetheless.

##vote: ulti

if chang is scum then he has earned one more day, he's been a pal and i just can't help escape the feeling that ulti was in fact trapped by wallz as opposed to being framed here. the wallz kill to avoid confirming him either way isn't lost on me but if there's no flavour godfather, leaving Lea alive is riskier imo. godfather ninja is possible but i'm more inclined to believe flavour godfather given lea's survival last night.

comedy option: ned flanders is a godly father

He would definitely provide a renamed vanilla fake claim. If we've reached the flavour arguments stage of stagnation, I hate Chang's "lucky idiot" bulletproof Ralph claim, it's so much worse than the other very flavourful roles

godiddly father

It's clearly devil Flanders if he's scum. I don't really mind if we lynch Ulti first, or at least before the final three, but I insist we hammer someone. Chang, Ulti, Ben. These are the three demons you must slay if you are to succeed in mafia.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

So were trying to mislynch me on yolo ignore all scans logic, huh

Why even have scanners in the first place if people are going to be dumb and vote for me anyway?

feel free to refer to my analysis on the previous page

Enchantress posted...

He would definitely provide a renamed vanilla fake claim. If we've reached the flavour arguments stage of stagnation, I hate Chang's "lucky idiot" bulletproof Ralph claim, it's so much worse than the other very flavourful roles

can't say this isn't true, and i still have pause about the full BP status but a role cop is somewhat helpful to mitigate that if he is in fact town?

I'll tell you what JC, if you use your second use "end the day early" power to hammer Chang here, tomorrow I will prioritize Ulti over Ben, if there is a tomorrow.

Chaeix posted...

can't say this isn't true, and i still have pause about the full BP status but a role cop is somewhat helpful to mitigate that if he is in fact town?

and vanillaizer, it's a second way to get around BP

Enchantress posted...

I'll tell you what JC, if you use your second use "end the day early" power to hammer Chang here, tomorrow I will prioritize Ulti over Ben, if there is a tomorrow.

i don't have any ladies lined up tonight unfortunately, it's ~democracy~ today

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UltimaterializerX posted...

I played a really bad game. Welcome to me as vanilla. Im trash at it.

Generally if I dont have a power role I suck at solving and get bored. I cant get motivated to play the role anymore.

while i appreciate the humility i can't say it's an entirely satisfying reply. admittedly i haven't made it to this late in a game with you before but claiming lost motivation doesn't strike me as entirely 'ulti' and has a bit of a dissonance with your confidence in each of your votes

Well. Chang is at -1.

Do with that information what you will.

I'm gonna go enjoy the weekend.

Enchantress posted...

Well. Chang is at -1.

Do with that information what you will.

I'm gonna go enjoy the weekend.

it means there's still time to switch to ulti :D

Chaeix posted...

##vote: ulti

if chang is scum then he has earned one more day, he's been a pal and i just can't help escape the feeling that ulti was in fact trapped by wallz as opposed to being framed here. the wallz kill to avoid confirming him either way isn't lost on me but if there's no flavour godfather, leaving Lea alive is riskier imo. godfather ninja is possible but i'm more inclined to believe flavour godfather given lea's survival last night.

comedy option: ned flanders is a godly father

You say this, but the guy already signed off. Tbh I see that as a nod from him to go ahead and end the game. Man isnt gonna post pictures of wolves on exit, that's not his way lol. So what do you do if you're not gonna give up? Make a few posts trying to explain what directions there are for you to win (in this case, lynch me then Lea and Sbell), defend yourself. Just ya know...go out playing the game. Not really sure what else you can expect a scum Chang to do here.

unrelated, lea i think that tomorrow, assuming you're alive, you should scan the person we don't lynch. confirming a flavour godfather would just quite frankly be helpful. like, i'd rather be in an sbell/ben/jc final 3 knowing they're both their flavour than have to weigh out the fact ben has a flavour confirm and sbell doesn't (despite the ridiculously low probability he claims peter griffin as anyone but peter griffin)

PunishedBen posted...

You say this, but the guy already signed off. Tbh I see that as a nod from him to go ahead and end the game. Man isnt gonna post pictures of wolves on exit, that's not his way lol. So what do you do if you're not gonna give up? Make a few posts trying to explain what directions there are for you to win (in this case, lynch me then Lea and Sbell), defend yourself. Just ya know...go out playing the game. Not really sure what else you can expect a scum Chang to do here.

idk it reads to me as 'you guys have the game solved anyways and it doesn't look like you want to consider ben today'

i feel like scum chang would at least have ulti not at the very bottom of his lynch list given the active choice to kill wallz.

What was Ulti's reason for telling everyone he moves randomly at night if he was only going to end up being ninja or not moving? There's not a good scum reason since it just attracts attention and people telling him he lied if they see him not moving. I see the town motivation but no scum motivation. If he is scum he says that with the intention of making sure no one uses a track on him, but then what is the purpose if he is not going to move anyway or be a Ninja?

Chaeix posted...

idk it reads to me as 'you guys have the game solved anyways and it doesn't look like you want to consider ben today'

i feel like scum chang would at least have ulti not at the very bottom of his lynch list given the active choice to kill wallz.

to elaborate on this, chang having ulti at the bottom of his list means that he guarantees that, if he's in a final 3 with ulti, he is receiving ulti's vote (given ulti's pressure on him today)

i mean i guess if he's just given up then it doesn't matter but the amount of content he provided before signing off doesn't read as giving up to me, he shot his shot

PunishedBen posted...

What was Ulti's reason for telling everyone he moves randomly at night if he was only going to end up being ninja or not moving? There's not a good scum reason since it just attracts attention and people telling him he lied if they see him not moving. I see the town motivation but no scum motivation. If he is scum he says that with the intention of making sure no one uses a track on him, but then what is the purpose if he is not going to move anyway or be a Ninja?

bait a cop scan? be 'town ulti who fake claims d1 like he always does'?

i mean, the reason he claimed was allegedly to avoid being tracked, being tracked was an unintended consequence

and if he's town he definitely can't claim he wanted to bait a track, that's anti-town.

Chaeix posted...

idk it reads to me as 'you guys have the game solved anyways and it doesn't look like you want to consider ben today'

i feel like scum chang would at least have ulti not at the very bottom of his lynch list given the active choice to kill wallz.

Because before CHang ever got a chance to post, a bunch of us said out loud that scum probably killed Wallz to push an Ulti lynch the next day. He then was unable to push an Ulti lynch without being the exact guy we described.

PunishedBen posted...

Because before CHang ever got a chance to post, a bunch of us said out loud that scum probably killed Wallz to push an Ulti lynch the next day. He then was unable to push an Ulti lynch without being the exact guy we described.

yeah but putting ulti below sbell?

though admittedly it's a strange thing to do regardless of alignment

Chaeix posted...

to elaborate on this, chang having ulti at the bottom of his list means that he guarantees that, if he's in a final 3 with ulti, he is receiving ulti's vote (given ulti's pressure on him today)

i mean i guess if he's just given up then it doesn't matter but the amount of content he provided before signing off doesn't read as giving up to me, he shot his shot

I think today he would have to be more concerned with getting through the one day than setting up his whole end game

PunishedBen posted...

Because before CHang ever got a chance to post, a bunch of us said out loud that scum probably killed Wallz to push an Ulti lynch the next day. He then was unable to push an Ulti lynch without being the exact guy we described.

is this more likely than ulti, who begged not to be tracked day 1, being forced to kill the guy who perma-tracked him?

PunishedBen posted...

I think today he would have to be more concerned with getting through the one day than setting up his whole end game

if you're the last remaining scum at this point you have to think about endgame. if you don't, you've already given up, and you don't make the very long posts chang made today imo

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/6711c8ed.jpg

votals or whatever
(3)Chang- Lea Ben, (Sbell), ultI
(1)Ben- Chang
(1)Ulti- JC

Chaeix posted...

if you're the last remaining scum at this point you have to think about endgame. if you don't, you've already given up, and you don't make the very long posts chang made today imo

Well its fine because its easy to change one's mind. And in a final 3 you would only have to worry about hammering a potential Ulti anyway. I feel like all I'm doing is arguing reasons why Chang CAN be scum, as I do believe he can.

I'm really bad at catching actual scum for reasons that prove them scum. I'm only good at town clearing everyone else and then pointing at the one guy I dont have a bunch of reasons to clear. Chang has ended up in that spot by a mile.

Chaeix posted...

is this more likely than ulti, who begged not to be tracked day 1, being forced to kill the guy who perma-tracked him?

Fair. I am only clearing Ulti because I have other reasons, I'm definitely not thinking that a dead Wallz points to Ulti being town in any way.

Enchantress posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/6711c8ed.jpg

exactly!

but they read to me as town deflecting in limited directions (i mean what, he has sbell and ben to push if not ulti) and not scum trying to desperately make any endgame happen

i will acknowledge he does know that ulti is almost certainly getting lynched tomorrow given that was the general discourse earlier on in the day, so could say whatever, but idk it just doesn't read like that

the worst part was definitely trying to raise doubts about Lea but cornered town draws a bigger paintbrush on ulti regardless of the 'well everyone expects the ulti trap!' argument. they were also 'if lea survives' which is kind of a fair comment given none of us expect lea to survive (though since d7 is endgame and lea's spent at that point, they could nk me instead). deliberately making an argument about why we should lynch Lea after he himself dies would be a brilliant scum move.

but yeah anyways it's not just chang's effort today, it's been his consistency all game, it's been his poignant observations (like pointing out that i was clearly a unique power role that wasn't renamed) and other stuff that just scream town chang to me. i don't think his claim is bad enough to justify lynching him over ulti at this stage.

"cornered town draws a bigger paintbrush on ulti regardless of the 'well everyone expects the ulti trap!' argument."

meant to read cornered scum, mistyped

And that weird argument that Chang brought up to clear Ulti because "Death cant poison and factional kill in the same night",
that had to be bogus he came up with quickly to try and form a fake worldview of the game right? We've all been scum here at least once. Has ANYONE seen a game where the factional kill didn't count as its own separate action that could be done alongside others? Ulti ate it right up of course

I don't think Chang was expecting lethal pressue the instant the day started

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80698586

PunishedBen posted...

And that weird argument that Chang brought up to clear Ulti because "Death cant poison and factional kill in the same night",
that had to be bogus he came up with quickly to try and form a fake worldview of the game right? We've all been scum here at least once. Has ANYONE seen a game where the factional kill didn't count as its own separate action that could be done alongside others? Ulti ate it right up of course

isn't it just as bad that ulti latched on to it when it was so bad?

and devil's advocate for chang there is that scum would know how death worked and that would have to be a very deliberate misdirect that... clears the guy who he saved at night to avoid clearing?

Chaeix posted...

isn't it just as bad that ulti latched on to it when it was so bad?

and devil's advocate for chang there is that scum would know how death worked and that would have to be a very deliberate misdirect that... clears the guy who he saved at night to avoid clearing?

Yeah but that's...so Ulti. >.< As town too. I think its Null if anything.

And often manipulation isn't so overt. Sure, Chang said never lynch Ulti times a thousand, but in a final three he'd just say "oh I had to reassess" or some such. It's not directly taking advantage of killing Wallz, but it's allowing others to come to that conclusion without getting his hands dirty. It's getting hard to type now that I'm hepped up on goofballs

PunishedBen posted...

Yeah but that's...so Ulti. >.< As town too. I think its Null if anything.

idk i still don't get why scum chang would go through the effort to clear ulti as town given the dire situation for scum, especially when the alleged scum equity in killing wallz was preventing ulti being cleared.

i would rather believe ulti just killed wallz than believe chang had some elaborate plan and had to bail, deciding to clearthe person he originally planned to frame.

Chaeix posted...

and devil's advocate for chang there is that scum would know how death worked and that would have to be a very deliberate misdirect that... clears the guy who he saved at night to avoid clearing?

A decent point though. Chang would really have to extend himself to lie about how factional kills work and to have this ability exclusive way on his mind in the first place.

Baaaah. That's the second thing that's ever been said that gives me doubt, since Chang said he was frustrated people weren't saying he had a good town game.

These are still smaller things compared to the big reasons I have to believe literally every other player is town.

Also apologies I have am having new carpet put in tomorrow and thus today is really being spent cleaning things out. So quite busy.

i just went and did a limited iso of ulti to make sure i had reviewed his full game and there's just so little to go off of.

d2 he has a lot of commentary on wallz, he votes isquen because of the one bad post, then backs it up with OMGUS (fair). he unvotes to think at eod d2 but then says he was baiting.

then d3 corrik is lynched. it's short. ez. ulti comments that he thinks death is town. talks a bit more about wallz being town.

d4 agrees with me on a message questioning wallz. first chink in the wallz being town armor. disallows an fd lynch despite limited to no opinions on fd prior. more paranoia about wallz. votes sbell because lea led the way, didn't offer his own opinion. didn't really budge on thinking death was town. as well, but ben asks for the town case on sbell and lea responds, quoting ulti saying 'he's not depressed/lazy/inactive'? ulti voting sbell and then lea quoting ulti to state the town case on sbell is... strange? i need to find the original context for ulti saying that.