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Guide
02/16/24 1:14:47 PM
#51:


NightingaleMD posted...


Not at all, but it's largely outside the scope of this topic. Overall not a fan of seeing expansion of medicaid/medicare, universal health is a bad choice for a country this large (due to costs), poor immigration policy (none?????? Let everyone in??????? No plan???????), punish capitalists by taxing them to death, ignoring the free market by trying to regulate labor, so many things wrong.

None of this has any basis in anything true. Giving you the biggest possible benefit of the doubt, you're a reasonable person who bought into all the false axioms of right wing talking points.

Like, to be clear, there is an immigration policy, and it's not letting everyone. If you really believe "no policy let everyone in" to be the case, you have been lied to. What is your source, exactly?

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Kradek
02/16/24 1:15:36 PM
#52:


TC, I fully support you sitting out of elections because you think they're rigged.

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Will_VIII
02/16/24 1:15:52 PM
#53:


NightingaleMD posted...
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The Emergency National Security Supplemental Appropriations Act does not "shut down the border."

Have you read the bill? Or any summary of it? Because what you said is definitely, for sure, 100% not in the text. You can't "get" me by woefully misrepresenting a bill.
It gives Biden the power to, and he's stated as such.
I dunno why I'm expecting a reasonable or intelligent discussion with a 2 times MAGA voter though.

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TheMikh
02/16/24 1:16:00 PM
#54:


i thought biden was supposed to be more popular than obama in 2008

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NightingaleMD
02/16/24 1:17:38 PM
#55:


Will_VIII posted...
It gives Biden the power to, and he's stated as such.
I dunno why I'm expecting a reasonable or intelligent discussion with a 2 times MAGA voter though.

We must be looking at different things

https://www.appropriations.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/emergency_national_security_supplemental_bill_text.pdf

Please point out where biden can shut the border

I must have missed it on my first pass

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Will_VIII
02/16/24 1:19:07 PM
#56:


NightingaleMD posted...
We must be looking at different things

https://www.appropriations.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/emergency_national_security_supplemental_bill_text.pdf

Please point out where biden can shut the border

I must have missed it on my first pass

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YwXwjG9093E

Pay attention more "doctor"


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Nok_Su_Kow
02/16/24 1:20:21 PM
#57:


After conservatism dies off with Donald losing and dying in prison, (because they attached themselves to him), only then will you have the adult debate of what is best for the country allowing for a real conversation with other parties vying to fill that void.
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NightingaleMD
02/16/24 1:23:57 PM
#58:


Guide posted...
None of this has any basis in anything true. Giving you the biggest possible benefit of the doubt, you're a reasonable person who bought into all the false axioms of right wing talking points.

Like, to be clear, there is an immigration policy, and it's not letting everyone. If you really believe "no policy let everyone in" to be the case, you have been lied to. What is your source, exactly?

I'm unclear why I'm being attacked for being more knowledgeable about this than anyone here.

HR815 increases funding for asylum officers, increases legal immigration, allow afghan asylumees to to seek citizenship, provides alternatives to detention and expands detention especially for those that do not have reasonable grounds for asylum and specific restrictions for when crossings are > 4,000 people averaged over a week.

There are litany of other details but that's it in broad strokes. It does not "close the border" as someone stated. It does not address aliens in the US without a legal status.

Most importantly it does nothing to address the root cause of migration to begin with, an entirely different topic.

But please, tell me more about how little I know about this bill due to drinking MAGA koolaid?

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NightingaleMD
02/16/24 1:24:21 PM
#59:


Will_VIII posted...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YwXwjG9093E

Pay attention more "doctor"

I asked you about a bill, not a speech, "user"

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Will_VIII
02/16/24 1:24:52 PM
#60:


NightingaleMD posted...
I'm unclear why I'm being attacked for being more knowledgeable about this than anyone here.
Multiple lies in this sentence

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Will_VIII
02/16/24 1:25:14 PM
#61:


NightingaleMD posted...
I asked you about a bill, not a speech, "user"
What the fuck do you think he's referring to then?

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NightingaleMD
02/16/24 1:25:57 PM
#62:


Will_VIII posted...
Multiple lies in this sentence

That's a poor retort. I gave you a description of the bill that I linked to and said what you said was in it...wasn't.

I won't respond with gifs or retorts just facts, sorry.

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NightingaleMD
02/16/24 1:26:32 PM
#63:


Will_VIII posted...
What the fuck do you think he's referring to then?

Who cares what he's referring to? Speeches are not laws. Laws are laws, and this one hasn't even been signed yet.

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02/16/24 1:27:26 PM
#64:


To clarify, TC is a known MAGA and anti vaxxer. This is just concern trolling.

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NightingaleMD
02/16/24 1:28:18 PM
#65:


--Zero- posted...
To clarify, TC is a known MAGA and anti vaxxer. This is just concern trolling.

I like vaccines and I don't support MAGA

you saying otherwise doesn't change this, but okay

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Will_VIII
02/16/24 1:28:44 PM
#66:


NightingaleMD posted...
I don't support MAGA
Who did you vote for in 2020?

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Guide
02/16/24 1:28:54 PM
#67:


NightingaleMD posted...
I'm unclear why I'm being attacked for being more knowledgeable about this than anyone here.

HR815 increases funding for asylum officers, increases legal immigration, allow afghan asylumees to to seek citizenship, provides alternatives to detention and expands detention especially for those that do not have reasonable grounds for asylum and specific restrictions for when crossings are > 4,000 people averaged over a week.

There are litany of other details but that's it in broad strokes. It does not "close the border" as someone stated. It does not address aliens in the US without a legal status.

Most importantly it does nothing to address the root cause of migration to begin with, an entirely different topic.

But please, tell me more about how little I know about this bill due to drinking MAGA koolaid?

So you understand that there is a policy, and that it's not just "let everyone in". Okay.

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AlphaWhelp
02/16/24 1:29:11 PM
#68:


NightingaleMD posted...
That's incongruent with national polling showing majority of people from both parties don't want him on the ballot

Not sure you're getting the gist of the topic here

What you're not getting is the people who don't want him to run again are not voting in any significant numbers. That's not the same thing as rigging an election. The elections are fairly counting everyone who does vote.

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Will_VIII
02/16/24 1:29:41 PM
#69:


NightingaleMD posted...
I won't respond with gifs or retorts just facts, sorry.
Big take your ball and go energy from the guy who got banned on the spin-off for supporting eugenics.

And no, we all know it wasn't sarcasm. It was the straw that broke the camel's back in your case


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LoZguy709
02/16/24 1:30:05 PM
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Looks like it's mainly just feeding the troll at this point. At least people don't seem to be going along with this shit.
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Will_VIII
02/16/24 1:32:14 PM
#72:


LoZguy709 posted...
Looks like it's mainly just feeding the troll at this point. At least people don't seem to be going along with this shit.
It's important to call out misinformation, even if it's trolling, and it's worth trying to get legitimate racist users banned


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Cemith
02/16/24 1:32:28 PM
#73:


Oh boy TC is back.

He's a right winger by the way. As evidenced by the fact this this was the topic he chose to make.

God I love the tagging feature.

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Cemith
02/16/24 1:37:19 PM
#74:


ironman2009 posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7566a728.jpg

This should have been the last post ITT

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NightingaleMD
02/16/24 1:39:05 PM
#75:




Will_VIII posted...
Who did you vote for in 2020?

I voted for a local levy and some city counsel folk/school board. Believe it or not, there are things on the ballot other than president.

I thought Trump as president ("outsider") was an interesting experiment and voted for him in 2016. I voted for neither in 2020 since I didn't care for either candidate. At the time I was leaning towards biden but his...decline...has been precipitous and I'm further from him now for that reason exclusively in 2024.

So this year once again I'll just be voting locally. I don't want to vote for either and will just accept the outcome as is. If DNC is smart Biden will win and immediately step down to settle all questions of competency to make way for Harris. If he doesn't, more talk of the 25th amendment will predominate, I predict...

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AlphaWhelp
02/16/24 1:41:31 PM
#76:


NightingaleMD posted...
At the time I was leaning towards biden but his...decline...has been precipitous and I'm further from him now for that reason exclusively in 2024.

You ever notice how LITERALLY NOBODY EVER says something like "I was leaning towards Trump in the upcoming election but when he said something stupid on TV it changed my mind a little so now I'm going to vote Biden."

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havean776
02/16/24 1:44:10 PM
#77:


--Zero- posted...
To clarify, TC is a known MAGA and anti vaxxer. This is just concern trolling.
Also a "doctor" who does not understand how the USA healthcare system works.

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DarthAragorn
02/16/24 1:45:42 PM
#78:


I think the better argument for it being rigged is that the senate and electoral college exist

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LoZguy709
02/16/24 1:47:34 PM
#79:


Will_VIII posted...
It's important to call out misinformation, even if it's trolling, and it's worth trying to get legitimate racist users banned

Sure, I understand the need and find myself responding to bullshit all the time. At a certain point, I just hate giving it the attention it seeks because it just reinforces the obnoxious behavior. It's like the goal is to make rational people feel mentally defeated by the idea that idiots will win no matter what.
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IceCreamOnStero
02/16/24 1:49:48 PM
#80:


Yeah, its not a democracy

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Will_VIII
02/16/24 1:50:48 PM
#81:


LoZguy709 posted...
Sure, I understand the need and find myself responding to bullshit all the time. At a certain point, I just hate giving it the attention it seeks because it just reinforces the obnoxious behavior. It's like the goal is to make rational people feel mentally defeated by the idea that idiots will win no matter what.
It's the gish gallop which was a rhetoric tactic used by the Nazis and saw a resurgence with right wingers in recent years. TC definitely uses it

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NightingaleMD
02/16/24 1:52:56 PM
#82:


havean776 posted...
Also a "doctor" who does not understand how the USA healthcare system works.

That's the saddest post in the topic. You don't like my opinions to the point where you just deny what I am?

I'm literally the best person on this site to ask about healthcare. The. Best.

Not only for my years as an emergency physician but also in my current role as an insurance director. Not only am I an expert of healthcare I am very much a cog in the machine turning the gears of healthcare. MCG/MTUS all day, errryday

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DarthAragorn
02/16/24 1:53:22 PM
#83:


NightingaleMD posted...
That's the saddest post in the topic. You don't like my opinions to the point where you just deny what I am?

I'm literally the best person on this site to ask about healthcare. The. Best.

Not only for my years as an emergency physician but also in my current role as an insurance director. Not only am I an expert of healthcare I am very much a cog in the machine turning the gears of healthcare. MCG/MTUS all day, errryday
LMAOOOOO

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Will_VIII
02/16/24 1:53:33 PM
#84:


NightingaleMD posted...
I'm literally the best person on this site to ask about healthcare. The. Best.
Just shut the fuck up and fuck off, liar.

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AlphaWhelp
02/16/24 1:54:51 PM
#85:


NightingaleMD posted...
That's the saddest post in the topic. You don't like my opinions to the point where you just deny what I am?

I'm literally the best person on this site to ask about healthcare. The. Best.

Not only for my years as an emergency physician but also in my current role as an insurance director. Not only am I an expert of healthcare I am very much a cog in the machine turning the gears of healthcare. MCG/MTUS all day, errryday

TC's healthcare:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a8f35469.jpg

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havean776
02/16/24 1:59:45 PM
#86:


NightingaleMD posted...
That's the saddest post in the topic. You don't like my opinions to the point where you just deny what I am?

I'm literally the best person on this site to ask about healthcare. The. Best.

Not only for my years as an emergency physician but also in my current role as an insurance director. Not only am I an expert of healthcare I am very much a cog in the machine turning the gears of healthcare. MCG/MTUS all day, errryday
Yes I deny you are a doctor.

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MangaBroski
02/16/24 2:00:02 PM
#87:


SauI_Goodman posted...
He's only being forced on us because you, the American people, voted him in. There were tons of other candidates but this is the guy you (america) wanted.
I mean, the fact his competition in 2020 dropped after South Carolina when Biden had been performing poorly until that point shows that machine thought Biden was the safest bet.
For 2024, itd be riskier to not have the incumbent run. As mediocre as Biden has been, the fact that Biden would still be president while someone else is attempting to run for president instead of Biden will split focus in the public eye between the two. Its also way too late with elections this year.
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LoZguy709
02/16/24 2:00:19 PM
#88:


Will_VIII posted...
It's the gish gallop which was a rhetoric tactic used by the Nazis and saw a resurgence with right wingers in recent years. TC definitely uses it

It's unfortunate that it works really well when people are only willing to do a surface-level look at all the issues being thrown about. I'm just disheartened by the trend showing a legitimate need to address arguments with purely divisive intentions. Maybe it won't be this topic, but one topic has the potential to reach someone impressionable, especially after such points are made ad nauseum, making it sort of a numbers game when it comes to people who spread Republican and Russian propaganda.
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Cemith
02/16/24 2:00:28 PM
#89:


AlphaWhelp posted...
TC's healthcare:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a8f35469.jpg

Fwiw, TC. I believe you're a doctor. But, I don't actually think that makes you smart. In fact, I can say confidently that you're not, given that you voted Trump in 2016 as a "fun experiment".

You're not worth taking seriously.

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Will_VIII
02/16/24 2:01:35 PM
#90:


Cemith posted...
Fwiw, TC. I believe you're a doctor. But, I don't actually think that makes you smart. In fact, I can say confidently that you're not, given that you voted Trump in 2016 as a "fun experiment".

You're not worth taking seriously.
I believe they attended medical school but couldn't cut it.

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NightingaleMD
02/16/24 2:03:22 PM
#91:


havean776 posted...
Yes I deny you are a doctor.


Hard to argue with facts. Dunno what to say.

I can actually help any other doc do insurance medicine if they like. It's actually a pretty easy field to get into.

I started by doing medical necessity work as an IC as a side gig. Used that to buff my CV and approach my health system to be a physician advisor to help determine inpatient vs obs status payments. Insurance companies value that experience because I'd have to argue with an insurance director to get payments.

Then I just used all that to apply for an insurance director spot. Gonna do my time for a few years and apply for a regional position. End goal is to be CMO of one of the bigguns.

But, of course, I just made all of that up.....?

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Murphiroth
02/16/24 2:06:40 PM
#92:


NightingaleMD posted...
But, of course, I just made all of that up.....?

Correct.

Even if it were true, you're still the kind of person who voted for Trump as an "experiment" which speaks volumes about you. If that's the kind of thought process you have, you definitely shouldn't be a doctor, because you 100% treat your patients like shit.
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DarthAragorn
02/16/24 2:07:46 PM
#93:


Murphiroth posted...
you definitely shouldn't be a doctor, because you 100% treat your patients like shit.
Pretty sure he's made posts bragging about just that

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Will_VIII
02/16/24 2:11:23 PM
#94:


If a lot of people don't believe you're a doctor, that's your own doing.

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havean776
02/16/24 2:12:37 PM
#95:


DarthAragorn posted...
Pretty sure he's made posts bragging about just that
Hes also made a lot of posts shilling for insurance companies against people who need medical care.

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HashtagSEP
02/16/24 2:15:08 PM
#97:


NightingaleMD posted...
Hard to argue with facts. Dunno what to say.

I can actually help any other doc do insurance medicine if they like. It's actually a pretty easy field to get into.

I started by doing medical necessity work as an IC as a side gig. Used that to buff my CV and approach my health system to be a physician advisor to help determine inpatient vs obs status payments. Insurance companies value that experience because I'd have to argue with an insurance director to get payments.

Then I just used all that to apply for an insurance director spot. Gonna do my time for a few years and apply for a regional position. End goal is to be CMO of one of the bigguns.

But, of course, I just made all of that up.....?

You sure seem to change what you say you specialize in a lot, based on whatever topic you happen to be posting in at the time.

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Will_VIII
02/16/24 2:16:19 PM
#98:


HashtagSEP posted...
You sure seem to change what you say you specialize in a lot, based on whatever topic you happen to be posting in at the time.
I've also noticed this.

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EPR-radar
02/16/24 2:19:48 PM
#99:


DarthAragorn posted...
I think the better argument for it being rigged is that the senate and electoral college exist
See also Republican gerrymandering and voter suppression.

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hockeybabe89
02/16/24 2:22:41 PM
#100:


Smackems posted...
Biden is literally perfect and has no problems at all with his age or anything else you must be a secret trumper
Literally no one you've spoken to on this website has said Biden is perfect. The majority of Biden voters here are literally reluctant.

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