Current Events > Israel/Palestina War XIII - Lets steal some more land from the West Bank

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ThyCorndog posted...

what do IDF defenders think about the thousands of babies starving in gaza
is it hamas' fault?

That's usually their excuse to justify it to themselves, yes.

Hornezz posted...

There's a law that outright allows a US president to invade the Netherlands in case an American is tried for war crimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members'_Protection_Act

Damn, that's fucked up.

Sir_Will posted...

For pointing out that Trump is even worse when it comes to Israel?

It just whataboutism when the coverage is about the war. It straight reads like an IDF bot flew in here saying stop caring, fall back in line. Feel free to make a topic about it, instead of wasting space here.

Teddytalks posted...

It just whataboutism when the coverage is about the war. It straight reads like an IDF bot flew in here saying stop caring, fall back in line. Feel free to make a topic about it, instead of wasting space here.

Well, that sounds like your own illiteracy more than anything else.

DrizztLink posted...

Well, that sounds like your own illiteracy more than anything else.

Seriously..

"I don't agree with what Biden is doing but Trump has already said things that show he would be even harsher and less caring about innocent Palestinians".

"You then don't care about Palestinian lives...Derp...Derp...Derpity Doo!!!!"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/08/gaza-aid-airdrop-kills-civilians-when-parachute-fails-to-open-witness-says

If only there was way to get to Gaza by land or sea, unfortunately it's clearly isolated by impassable mountains and only accessible by air.

Zoks posted...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/08/gaza-aid-airdrop-kills-civilians-when-parachute-fails-to-open-witness-says

If only there was way to get to Gaza by land or sea, unfortunately it's clearly isolated by impassable mountains and only accessible by air.

This is why the U.S. is having their military build a pier in order to bring aid into Gaza.

https://apnews.com/article/biden-netanyahu-hot-mic-gaza-885b97a75d15d15ae7f7a47d0125c918

President Joe Biden s growing frustration with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu continues to mount, with the Democrat captured on a hot mic saying that he and the Israeli leader will need to have a come to Jesus meeting.

The comments by Biden came as he spoke with Sen. Michael Bennet, D-Colo., on the floor of the House chamber following Thursday nights State of the Union address.

In the exchange, Bennet congratulates Biden on his speech and urges the president to keep pressing Netanyahu on growing humanitarian concerns in Gaza. Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg were also part of the brief conversation.
Biden then responds using Netanyahus nickname, saying, I told him, Bibi, and dont repeat this, but you and I are going to have a come to Jesus meeting.

An aide to the president standing nearby then speaks quietly into the presidents ear, appearing to alert Biden that microphones remained on as he worked the room.

Im on a hot mic here, Biden says after being alerted. Good. Thats good.

The president on Friday acknowledged the comments, lightheartedly poking at reporters that they were eavesdropping on his conversation. Asked if he thought Netanyahu should be doing more to alleviate the humanitarian suffering, Biden responded, Yes, he does.

Better late than never, but hopefully he's sincere about this.

Sincere or not, he have to do this.
There are lives to be saved, i don't care if they have their own agenda in saving them.
And Biden need to do this. The election is coming and he can't afford losing votes.

https://twitter.com/HensonJames11/status/1766219572246384719?t=pGPBx1kSKZkoNxnSuD1bHg&s=19

These Israeli women truly are horrible and despicable people.

How much of Israel acts, talks, and thinks like them? Perhaps they explain why the IDF is so brutal and why the Israeli government is full of genocidal assholes.

ClayGuida posted...

https://twitter.com/HensonJames11/status/1766219572246384719?t=pGPBx1kSKZkoNxnSuD1bHg&s=19

These Israeli women truly are horrible and despicable people.

How much of Israel acts, talks, and thinks like them? Perhaps they explain why the IDF is so brutal and why the Israeli government is full of genocidal assholes.

I mean, their whole life they are hearing how the Palestinas are evil colonizers that stole what belongs to Israel, that everybody supports Hamas, that they are not even worth the air they breath, etc.

ClayGuida posted...

Let's not generalize the entire population based on a small bunch of assholes. I fully get how it's really easy to fall into the trap of doing so sometimes, but... it just isn't right. Average Israeli civilians are not responsible for the IDF's crimes, just like average Palestinians civilians are not responsible for Oct 7th or any other Hamas crimes.

Condemn those who DO support or engage in that kind of shit, for sure. But don't extend blame to those who don't just because they live in the same country and/or share heritage with the ones who do.

I'm glad Clarrisa Ward challenged those women's beliefs. Maybe they went home and had doubts about what they thought was right and wrong

ClayGuida posted...

https://twitter.com/HensonJames11/status/1766219572246384719?t=pGPBx1kSKZkoNxnSuD1bHg&s=19

These Israeli women truly are horrible and despicable people.

How much of Israel acts, talks, and thinks like them? Perhaps they explain why the IDF is so brutal and why the Israeli government is full of genocidal assholes.

And Humble Novice won't make a topic on this issue.

darkace77450 posted...

https://apnews.com/article/biden-netanyahu-hot-mic-gaza-885b97a75d15d15ae7f7a47d0125c918

Better late than never, but hopefully he's sincere about this.

I think the first real sign of him being sick of Netanyahu's shit was Harris getting together with Gatnz in order to make progress on the issue, Shitanyahu's political rival, which has pissed him off. They're looking at an Israel that doesn't include him.

Foppe posted...

I mean, their whole life they are hearing how the Palestinas are evil colonizers that stole what belongs to Israel, that everybody supports Hamas, that they are not even worth the air they breath, etc.

That excuse can only take you so far, especially in this day and age. It's not even like they live in a place like Russia or China that actively suppresses outside information.

Blocking aid for the millions starving to death (and like half their population are CHILDREN) is monstrous.

Sweden will start to fund UNRWA again.

Foppe posted...

I mean, their whole life they are hearing how the Palestinas are evil colonizers that stole what belongs to Israel, that everybody supports Hamas, that they are not even worth the air they breath, etc.

Unfortunately a huge support base of far-right Israelis are Christian fundies across the world who are ironically quite antisemitic and believe that Israel should be protected at all costs so all Jews could move there and bring about the End Times.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/03/08/never-again-is-now-antisemitism-jewish-council-of-australia/

Foppe posted...

Sweden will start to fund UNRWA again.

Good news

Fenriswolf posted...

https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/03/08/never-again-is-now-antisemitism-jewish-council-of-australia/

crikey.com is perhaps my favorite url ever.

oh yeah, forgot to reply this because the previous topic closed

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/9a03ccc4.jpg

I don't think "Biden did the same thing with Trump" is quite a defense you think it did.
All it does is just "Biden do bad things like Trump did."

ClayGuida posted...

https://twitter.com/HensonJames11/status/1766219572246384719?t=pGPBx1kSKZkoNxnSuD1bHg&s=19

These Israeli women truly are horrible and despicable people.

How much of Israel acts, talks, and thinks like them? Perhaps they explain why the IDF is so brutal and why the Israeli government is full of genocidal assholes.

wild how you hear from them basically the same arguments you hear from the IDF defenders online
"they should starve until they give the hostages back"
"hamas is using the aid for more terrorism"
"hamas doesn't fight using rules, so why shoul we"
"we have the right to prioritize our babies (who are not starving) over their babies (who are starving)"

Tsav 9 basically denies there's any humanitarian crisis even as they create one and barely accept that people need calories.

Trumble posted...

Let's not generalize the entire population based on a small bunch of assholes.

Political parties that explicitly preach discrimination against Arabs due to their race and religion hold 90 of 120 seats in the Knesset.

Pre-October 7th polling showed that half of all Jewish Israelis believed that all Arabs should be removed from Israel and never allowed to re-enter.

It's very clear that these women are in the majority, and likely a strong majority at this point.

Covenant posted...

Political parties that explicitly preach discrimination against Arabs due to their race and religion hold 90 of 120 seats in the Knesset.

Pre-October 7th polling showed that half of all Jewish Israelis believed that all Arabs should be removed from Israel and never allowed to re-enter.

It's very clear that these women are in the majority, and likely a strong majority at this point.

Contrary to the Oxford Dictionary an Arab is someone who speaks an Arabian language.

orcus_snake posted...

I am a complete noob here and call me a moron but could they just not move the court out of the netherlands? because from what I read on that link the bill allows to invade netherlands or hague specifically but what if the thing was held somwhere else, woudlnt they need to pass a new bill for that place and if they do it looks bad on them, but I double the US really cares how the world looks at them at this point anyways.

If they did, a new law would be signed in record time.

Trumble posted...

Let's not generalize the entire population based on a small bunch of assholes. I fully get how it's really easy to fall into the trap of doing so sometimes, but... it just isn't right. Average Israeli civilians are not responsible for the IDF's crimes, just like average Palestinians civilians are not responsible for Oct 7th or any other Hamas crimes.

Condemn those who DO support or engage in that kind of shit, for sure. But don't extend blame to those who don't just because they live in the same country and/or share heritage with the ones who do.

I didn't generalize anything. But you do have to wonder how those in power that say these exact same things stay in power, if nobody actually votes or supports them. The easiest answer is that they have enough support to stay in power, which says that they're not simply a fringe group of Israeli voters, but a massive block.

Body cam footage came out today showing a group of IDF soldiers killing an unarmed elderly man and then congratulating and fist bumping each other.

Probably can't post the video here.

Hornezz posted...

Body cam footage came out today showing a group of IDF soldiers killing an unarmed elderly man and then congratulating and fist bumping each other.

Probably can't post the video here.

I'm sure the Israel shills will defend this in some way.

Strider102 posted...

I'm sure the Israel shills will defend this in some way.

Hamas obviously had a secret tunnel up the guy's nose. /s

ClayGuida posted...

I didn't generalize anything. But you do have to wonder how those in power that say these exact same things stay in power, if nobody actually votes or supports them. The easiest answer is that they have enough support to stay in power, which says that they're not simply a fringe group of Israeli voters, but a massive block.

The problem here though is that the IDF are largely a group of conscripts which means they do represent, to a degree, the average Israeli citizen. Everyone serves their 32 months (men) or 24 (women). People can also be called back in once they've served their mandatory time. Obviously there are career IDF troops as well, but they aren't the majority.

ScazarMeltex posted...

The problem here though is that the IDF are largely a group of conscripts which means they do represent, to a degree, the average Israeli citizen. Everyone serves their 32 months (men) or 24 (women). People can also be called back in once they've served their mandatory time. Obviously there are career IDF troops as well, but they aren't the majority.

Yes, thats true. Which means most adults in Israel have to live their lives with the mindset that they may have to defend their families from Hamas. They have grown up with that mindset, since the first antifada to the second to the withdrawal from Gaza to this, the threat from Hamas is something they have to endure every day.

So there are some conflicting principles here.

1. Every country, last I checked, prioritizes the lives of its citizens over non citizens to some degree.
2. Every country with a moral compass acts when someone else in the world is suffering from some humanitarian crisis.
3. There are other atrocities in the world like Sudan that arent getting nearly the same amount of world wide attention.
4. Israel calls itself a bastion for freedom and democracy in the Middle East, and yet it can not be disputed is at least partially responsible for starving millions of people.

And in this dilemma, we see that Hamas has snared Israel into the perfect trap. Because while it makes perfect sense that the Israeli public would prioritize the safe return of Kfir Bibas and his family as well as all of the other hostages given what happened to them in October.

However, if we take tribalism out of the discussion, it seems ridiculous at this point that Israelis can still point the finger squarely at Hamas as being solely responsible for what has happened in Gaza.

I will tell you that at least in my social circle, friends, family, synagogue, whatever, its becoming harder and harder to hold on to the idea that justice needs to be done for Kfir and the other victims of October 7th, when its clear that justice is also going to need to be done for the children of Gaza. Its clear that both the Israeli government and Hamas have got to go. Just as its true that some Palestinians may be inspired to join Hamas as a result of what Israel
is doing and has done for decades, its also important to recognize that the sentiments in Israel regarding the welfare of the Palestinians is also born of decades of terror attacks as well.

Not trying to justify it. Just trying to explain how we got here.

That being said - I think we really do not have any other choice than to call for a ceasefire, hostages or not. This trap Hamas has set, the Israelis took the bait hook line and sinker.

orcus_snake posted...

I am a complete noob here and call me a moron but could they just not move the court out of the netherlands? because from what I read on that link the bill allows to invade netherlands or hague specifically but what if the thing was held somwhere else, woudlnt they need to pass a new bill for that place and if they do it looks bad on them, but I double the US really cares how the world looks at them at this point anyways.

It doesn't really what loopholes are attempted with the ICJ because eventually you'll run into the inevitable roadblock that international law is hogwash and geopolitics operates on might makes right.

The problem isn't thst the US has one bill that basically laughs in the face of international law. The problem is that its even possible for any country to laugh in the face of international law. Until that's resolved, its all just glorified theatre.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

I will tell you that at least in my social circle, friends, family, synagogue, whatever, its becoming harder and harder to hold on to the idea that justice needs to be done for Kfir and the other victims of October 7th, when its clear that justice is also going to need to be done for the children of Gaza

It's really good to hear this from you (EDIT: I mean the general sense of considering innocents on both sides rather than just one). And let me say - you absolutely should still ask for justice for Oct 7th victims, just as you should ask for justice for the civilians of Gaza. Neither side's civilians are the problem here; even if one wants to make an argument that one (or both) sides' civilians bear some responsibility for voting/working for the government in question, they're still not the ones ordering and carrying out these actions, and are not remotely on the same level of culpability even by that kind of logic.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

Not trying to justify it. Just trying to explain how we got here.

That being said - I think we really do not have any other choice than to call for a ceasefire, hostages or not. This trap Hamas has set, the Israelis took the bait hook line and sinker.

Lmao that eagles using "look at what you make me did" excuse to avoid responsibility. That's still fucking excusing what IDF did.

No. The responsibility of murdering civilians are 100% on IDF, unless you agree that Hamas also isn't responsible for their terrors because Israel made them so.

Bibi is doing everything he can to make Biden lose. And the Democrats on signing on board with it.

https://twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1766895256199446995

Red lines have rarely actually meant anything, under any US president (be they R or D).

cjsdowg posted...

Bibi is doing everything he can to make Biden lose.

This has been obvious for months, but Biden keeps eating Netanyahu's shit anyway.

Netanyahu dismisses Biden's warning over "innocent lives being lost" in Israel's war with Hamas in Gaza
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-netanyahu-rejects-biden-warning-innocent-palestinian-lives/

Netanyahu not caring about civilian lives? Must be a day that ends in "Y"

Reimu posted...

Netanyahu dismisses Biden's warning over "innocent lives being lost" in Israel's war with Hamas in Gaza
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-netanyahu-rejects-biden-warning-innocent-palestinian-lives/

Netanyahu not caring about civilian lives? Must be a day that ends in "Y"

Why can't we support Israel the same way Republicans support gun victims? Why are thoughts and prayers sufficient for American children mowed down in their classrooms by AR-15s, but not good enough for Israel in its campaign against Hamas?

darkace77450 posted...

Why can't we support Israel the same way Republicans support gun victims? Why are thoughts and prayers sufficient for American children mowed down in their classrooms by AR-15s, but not good enough for Israel in its campaign against Hamas?

Because they already support Palestina children that way.

Foppe posted...

Because they already support Palestina children that way.

In my experience, they can't even bother with thoughts and prayers when it comes to Gaza. Every conservative I know who's ever uttered the words "thoughts and prayers" (or a spiritual equivalent) has dismissed the deaths as Palestinian children with "Israel has a right to defend itself" and/or "Hamas is the one using human shields"

Reimu posted...

Netanyahu dismisses Biden's warning over "innocent lives being lost" in Israel's war with Hamas in Gaza
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-netanyahu-rejects-biden-warning-innocent-palestinian-lives/

Netanyahu not caring about civilian lives? Must be a day that ends in "Y"

What will happen if Bibi ignored Biden's warning anyway? Would Biden put an end to Bibi"s actions? Or just still supllying him but begrudgingly this time.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68526503

What will Biden do if Israel accidentally destroys the port?

Foppe posted...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68526503

What will Biden do if Israel accidentally destroys the port?

Same thing he's been doing for years: roll over and take it

Foppe posted...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68526503

What will Biden do if Israel accidentally destroys the port?

Accidentally?

They will purposely and maliciously destroy it, only killing Americans and call them Hamas. Then the Israeli media and some of the population will mock them as they have with other western civilians murdered by the IOF

Foppe posted...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68526503

What will Biden do if Israel accidentally destroys the port?

The fact the best they could do is what looks like a refitted Spanish tugboat for cross Atlantic travel I feel says how much they care already.

Israel blowing up the pier is my biggest fear. In a sane world it would be a crossing the rubicon moment and Biden would send an ultimatum for Bibi to cease hostilities immediately or face US (with UN/NATO support) intervention. Realistically though? I expect handwringing by US officials even as the rest of the world demands satisfaction.

Heh, just read the other one:

President Biden was asked over the weekend if Israel ignoring the many warnings from Washington, other Israeli allies and global humanitarian aid agencies against carrying out a Rafah siege would be a red line.

Netanyahu says cease-fire deal would only delay Rafah offensive

"I'm never going to leave Israel," vowed Mr. Biden, who has stressed Israel's right to defend itself since the Hamas attack. "The defense of Israel is still critical, so there's no red line [at which] I'm going to cut off [U.S. provision of] all weapons."

Alteres posted...

Heh, just read the other one:
President Biden was asked over the weekend if Israel ignoring the many warnings from Washington, other Israeli allies and global humanitarian aid agencies against carrying out a Rafah siege would be a red line.

Netanyahu says cease-fire deal would only delay Rafah offensive

"I'm never going to leave Israel," vowed Mr. Biden, who has stressed Israel's right to defend itself since the Hamas attack. "The defense of Israel is still critical, so there's no red line [at which] I'm going to cut off [U.S. provision of] all weapons."

God F dammit.
Guess he really mean it when he said he's a Zionist.
He's a lost cause.